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   up_the_irons: Happy Tuesday
   
 man, the 15th already?!  it'll be christmas again before we know it...
   brycec: Wooo Tuesday! Wait, what's so special about Tuesday?
   mike-burns: Tuesday's coming, did you bring your coat?
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   tooth: I live in a giant bucket
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   mercutio: staticsafe: did you just post to outages@? :)
   staticsafe: mercutio: i did
   mercutio: heh
   
 small world
   
 that cable's been out for 5 days apparently :/
   
 i'd noticed high pings to singapore
   staticsafe: indeed
   mercutio: but thought it was probably blizzard's fault
   staticsafe: A repair ship, the ASEAN Explorer is set to arrive on the fault site on February 7, with an estimated resolution date of February 11.
   mercutio: yeh
   
 i read that
   
 its' a very long time
   
 some isp's are routing a VERY long way around it
   
 some are routing via HK/Japan
   
 some are more like "let's jump to the US and back again"
   staticsafe: indeed
   mercutio: but
   
 how did you know about it?
   
 it's hardly been in any news
   staticsafe: someone talked about it in #linode
   mercutio: oh
   
 from nz or au?
   staticsafe: nz
   mercutio: heh
   
 apaprently the biggest isp here is having 2 hour emali delays because of it
   
 which is pathetic
   staticsafe: outsourcing e-mail indeed
   mercutio: yeh
   
 running at 80%+ load? :)
   
 i don't find outages list that useful
   
 it's hard to really know when random things go down
   staticsafe: aye
   up_the_irons: damn, #linode has 424 users in their channel
   -: up_the_irons tells everyone to get their friends in here :)
   meingtsla: Feels like their population's declined a bit
   up_the_irons: this channel has had some drop off lately too
   
 yet business still grows, so not sure what is up...
   mercutio: this channel has been dead
   
 i dunno, i'd say it's cos it's summer
   
 but most people it's winter for
   up_the_irons: it's winter here :)
   jbergstroem: isn't irc most often the result of having to much time? :)
   
 (or needing 0day help)
   up_the_irons: hah
   
 i definitely don't have too much time, but i still like irc :)
   mercutio: jbergstroem: lots of people just idle a lot
   mnathani: Anyone know what a low cost option is for getting an SSL cert that validates with a Green Bar in browsers like IE
   mercutio: green bar?
   
 i know namecheap are cheap for ssl certs, but have no idea about this green bar thing
   
 facebook has no green bar
   
 in ie
   mnathani: something like http://www.itdonut.co.uk/sites/default/files/firefox_ie_green_bar.jpg
   brycec: I think that's a "verified" cert or something
   
 relatively new
   
 er, validated
   
 represents that the CA has doen super-extensive validation abd background checks
   
 One option (and some more information) http://www.startssl.com/?app=30
   mnathani: Paypal and the like have it
   
 brycec: thanks
   brycec: (I've used StartSSL's free cert with no probs)
   
 np mnathani
   mercutio: http://postimage.org/image/j1hzly045/
   
 oh paypal
   
 no it doesn't
   brycec: Paypal: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3167967/screenshot_2013-01-15_20-00-36.png
   
 (in the latest chrome-dev)
   mercutio: weird mine doesn't
   
 oh
   
 i thought we were talking about ie
   mnathani: try IE
   brycec: versus regular facebook https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3167967/screenshot_2013-01-15_20-00-56.png
   mercutio: ok in chrome it shows green
   
 so paypal green bar in chrome but not ie
   
 i should check facebook in chrome
   mnathani: does the startssl free cert work without installing a trusted root authority in the OS?
   brycec: recent veresion of IE?
   
 mnathani: yes
   mercutio: nah
   
 facebook has green https
   
 but no green bar
   brycec: mnathani: which is why startssl > cacert.org
   mercutio: it's ie 10 i think
   brycec: Well no explaining why the EV isn't showing for you mercutio *shrug*
   mercutio: i can't say i normally use ie
   
 http://postimage.org/image/s4s5wc0t3/full/
   brycec: I _never_ use it
   
 ewwww Win8
   
 Let's just blame it on Win8
   mercutio: windows 8 is the new standard
   
 as much as it may pain you to hear that
   
 it's no worse than vista
   brycec: my standard is Linux, so there :P
   mercutio: yeh well i like openbsd
   
 but yeah openbsd is even worse than linux for video card support
   
 apparently now days you're meant to use intel onboard video if you want open source drivers
   
 i thought ati were ok, but that was in 5000 days, in 7000 days limited support
   mnathani: brycec: how long are the startssl certs valid?  I got this message when registering:  You will be able to use this verification for the next 30 days, after which it expires and must be renewed.
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   brycec: mnathani: 1yr as I recall
   
 think that's just for signing up
   
 (been awhile)
   mnathani: yup, just installed and verified
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   mnathani: it pays to idle in here :-)
   brycec: heh
   mnathani: and I was going to go with a namecheap low cost ssl cert
   up_the_irons: It Pays to Idle in Here(tm),  tell your friends
   
 ;)
   -: brycec leans back and waits for the referal cheques to come flying in
   milki: lol
   mnathani: What do you guys use for cloud based Email? I used to use the free version of Google Apps, but they have since discontinued that version.
   mercutio: what's PST?
   
 compared to GMT?
   mnathani: GMT - 8:00 if I am not mistaken
   mercutio: ok
   
 so it's 7:53 pm pst atm?
   brycec: yes mercutio
   mnathani: https://www.google.com/search?q=time+in+california&oq=time+in+california&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
   mercutio: oh i didn't think of that
   mnathani: but yes
   mercutio: i googled PST TO GMT
   
 and it didn't work
   
 mph to kmh works :/
   brycec: mnathani: I use GApps (still). Don't know what I would use if setting up a completely new domain. (or I would just alias the domain to an existing GApps)
   mercutio: i saw the twitter thing about 9 pm pst coresite making changes thing
   
 not that it proably maeks much diff
   mnathani: I went down the road of trying alternatives like Office365 and their Exchange Online, not free but lacking so many features that I took for granted with Google Apps
   
 Another thing that bothers me is that I am so used to Gmail / Google App style conversation email that anything else just does not work.
   brycec: lol
   mnathani: Not to mention other goodies like labels, filters, the ability to send using different from accounts via the respective SMTP servers from within gmail
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   mnathani: How does one get quick screenshot links using Dropbox ?
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   brycec: mnathani: I wrote a script, it looks something like this https://gist.github.com/3741684
   -: brycec updates the gist
   brycec: now it looks exactly like that
   milki: oo, i see the twitter post account the maintenance now
   
 >.>
   mercutio: milki: the one in PST?
   -: milki nods
   milki: 9pm-2am
   mercutio: you never know it may go bette :)
   milki: 2 more hours!
   mercutio: i'm weary when people talk about enhancements :)
   milki: hehe
   mercutio: things seem normal atm