#arpnetworks 2013-01-09,Wed

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up_the_ironsjlgaddis: oh...
jlgaddis: so ESXi isn't Linux based in some way? (I know jack about VMware)
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gluffiskernel is based on linux... Redhat from the beginning as as i know
wonder if I shall upgrade my vps to a newer openbsd ;)
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up_the_ironsi would imagine vmware would have some megaraid compatible binary [00:01]
gluffisthere is pretty good HCL's at vmware
but yes, megaraid seems reasonable
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jlgaddisWell, I think I found a solution, been working on that for a bit... except I just rebooted the physical host and now I can't connect to it. :/ [00:03]
up_the_ironsouch [00:03]
jlgaddisOh hell, there it comes
I swear that was the longest fuckin' reboot ever.
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mercutiojlg: raid controllers always maek reboots take a bit longer
jlg: but yeah, esxi does seem to make things complicated, enough so that i just pointed you at what i found rather than trying to understand it :)
jlg: some people advocate passing raid controllers through to openindiana, using vt-d, (hardware passthrough) and then exporting storage to esxi
which to me seems complicated and messy
but you'd have normal cli program in that situation
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jlgaddisI could ping it for about eight minutes before the vSphere Client would finally connect. [00:07]
mercutiooh what
i've never seen that
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jlgaddisApparently I can manage this LSI card from other hosts once I have this agent/CIM/VIB/WTFever it's called installed. [00:08]
mercutiojlg: cool. well if you can get there, up_the_irons seems to know what command to do to accomplish what you're trying to accomplish
which in itself is a nightmare
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gluffisgluffis remembers the first reboot of a Sun E4000... 15 minutes before anything on the console... [00:30]
mercutioincluding serial?
i like it how computers are finally getting faster at booting though
like the new motherboards most of them boot really quickly for desktops now
haven't seen a quick server bootup yet, but i'ms ure it'll come...
it's kind of bizzare that it seems to have never been a selling point of servers any time recently that they boot quickly
cos when things are meant to run 24/7
the boottime can be a real pita
and failover is complicated
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jlgaddisWell, when you only reboot them once a year or two, a few minutes difference doesn't really matter. [00:43]
mercutioif people are using services on them it still sucks
but yeah they shouldn't reboot :)
there's also things like linux doesn't do parallel scans by default
well not on ahci
you have to pass some ahci_disable_sss or something parameter
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up_the_ironsfor something that doesn't get rebooted often, a few minutes doesn't matter, like jlgaddis said [00:47]
mercutioi hate my irc machine rebooting :)
it doesn't reconnect etc
but yeah for most things i suppose it doesn't matter too mcuh
and for that, i don't really care about duration, i'm more annoyed about a reset at all
i think vmware vmotion is meant to be able to fix those kinds of problems
but cost lots of money
it's one reason i'm hesitant to irc from home
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up_the_irons$ sudo mount /dev/cd0 /mnt
mount: /dev/cd0: Invalid argument
hmm
y u no mount?
(freebsd 9.1)
oh
sudo mount -t cd9660 /dev/cd0 /mnt
works
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gluffismercutio: E4000 machines only had serial console ;) [02:26]
mercutiowell ethernet too
i imagine
which may take longer to show
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zuppettoqualcuno parla italiano?
o scrive in italiano?
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plettgluffis: I remember E250 taking ages and ages before it started booting too [03:04]
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gluffismercutio: ethernet,scsi and lots of other stuff... but you didn't have any vga ;) [03:38]
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gluffisplett: E250s are much faster to boot ;) [03:47]
anisfarhanaHiya everyone. [03:48]
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mikeputnammercutio: run your irssi inside tmux from your always-up arp host, then just connect to it from whereever you are
then you only go down when freenode splits ;)
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RandalSchwartzthat's what I do. :)
except I run irc.el inside emacs inside tmux
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toddfmikeputnam: the other time you go down is when v6 breaks
I wish so badly that irssi had the ability to do getaddrinfo and just iterate over the AF's instead of favoring v4 only or v6 only and no choice inbetween
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twobithackeris there a significant advantage to tmux over screen?
I use mosh to connect to my VM, running irssi in screen
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toddftwobithacker: performance and size and license, the fact that it comes by default in openbsd w/out adding extra packages seems to be good for me also [08:10]
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mikeputnamthe tmux source is a beautiful thing. just like openbsd. the same cannot be said for screen.
screen has inertia on it's side
just like microsoft software
mikeputnam makes stuff up
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brycectmux has more features, useful features even like vertical AND horizontal splits
handles multiple sessions+windows like a champ too
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mikeputnam<= and their freenode chan (#tmux) and project web page were done by this handsome fellow
what's not to love!
:p
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RandalSchwartzwhat?
tmux rocks
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brycecbrycec was being sarcastic [10:12]
RandalSchwartzahh [10:12]
brycec<3 tmux, alot. [10:12]
RandalSchwartzand it just keeps getting better
you can't ever get me to go back to screen now
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brycecexcept for that mikeputnam business :p [10:13]
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jlgaddisAt the recommendation of a friend, I tried out tmux one day about a year and a half ago. I haven't used screen since. [18:35]
mercutioheh i frequently recommend tmux
usually it's when someone loses their shell some time or other
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mikeputnami recommend tmux everytime i hear someone mention screen [20:02]
CaZefanboi [20:02]
mikeputnami'm sure i come off as ...
heh
but i know i'm right
so it's okay
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cullumtmux > screen
dat bsd license
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mercutio0 > screen
if you read that out it sounds wrong
nothing is greater than screen
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staticsafe:) [20:09]
mercutioscreen < 0 [20:09]
mikeputnamthe absence of value is greater than screen perhaps? [20:09]
mercutiomaybe that's a better way to put it [20:09]
RandalSchwartzabsence of value?
tmux just rocks
people should just ignore screen
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phlux..
I use tmux
but I don't give a fuck what anyone else uses
because I don't have some false sense of pride or loyalty to my free software.
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CaZeanti fanboi [21:03]
phlux^ [21:05]
mercutiophlux: it's useful though :) [21:11]
phluxhence why i use it
i don't see how that's relevant
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mikeputnamto help others to discover tmux's usefulness [21:24]
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dr_jklscreen > tmux
dr_jkl runs
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mercutiohaha
you're not a man who likes to stand behind his words? :)
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