jan 3...  man, this year is already going fast ;)
wasn't christmas yesterday??
mnathani: thanks for the reminder, i'm updating my hints file now...
Hellooo :D
Anyone alive?
many people are alive
many more people are dead
far more dead people than alive people
Umm..i am considering to test $10 vps from arpnetwork, how fast the activation is?
generally a day or two
everything is generally a day or two :)
Is there a way to make it more faster?
no
this is not a place with 24/7 tech support
but for that you get cheaper machines
there's catatastrophe support, but not request support
Uh oh.
well - go ahead and pay more somewhere else then
I need to google what is catataprope is.
as in, if the hardware fails, the appropriate people take action immediately
but if you want something different in your config, you have to wait 24-48 hours
Horrible event?
I am interested on ipv6
it's a pretty good mix, and has worked well for me
I have five VPS here
for three years now
yeah ipv6 is great here
Umm.
Maybe you can help me with something here.
maybe, maybe not.
http://goo.gl/ztVsx , possible?
connecting to IRC over IPv6?
Yup
yes, many of us are connected that way
I'm doing that RIGHT NOW
^
^^
Using the arp's box?
see /whois RandalSchwartz
yes
^
... 2607:f2f8:3080::
You guys are funny.
No we are not.
* [RandalSchwartz] (~merlyn@p3m/member/merlyn): Randal L. Schwartz
and yes, I use my ::0 address for my box :)
:P
why not, I have millions of them. :)
easy to remember ;)
I just don't get this part --> you can point your client at ipv6.dal.net
and quicker to type
Point as in, like rdns for ipv4?
anisfarhana: as in, /connect ipv6.dal.net
(depending on the client's syntax)
it's silly that people still have separate addresses for ipv6
I can use portal or 'hack' the config script for that?
now that we're firmly in the v6 world
I just connect to irc.freenode.net
and it does The Right Thing in the face of v6
can i /connect to ipv6.dal.net by via bnc?
that's up to you to configure
we're not bnc support
I know.
You guys are fierce and aggresive too :/
some of us are
wait - where are you getting this from?
mike-burns is fuzzy and soft
I'm mostly just soft.
Getting what RandalSchwartz?
I try not to be fuzzy
.. <anisfarhana> You guys are fierce and aggresive too :/
Most of geeky people are like that in freenode.
how do you believe I'm "fierce and aggresive[sic]"?
Well i am not new in freenode tho
I think you're prejudiced.
might want to dial that back a biut
bit
brycec: Possible to configure it via portal?
I have no idea what you're asking, anisfarhana.
brycec: about the /connect thing
What I can say is that "yes, you are free to connect to ipv6.dal.net"
presuming you have an ipv6 configuration that works
each OS is different
I can tell you what I did for freebsd
and each IRC client is different
Love you guys.
Will back in 5 minutes, going to configure bnc first :) Somebody just add me on the account and asked me to test it out.
* [anisX] (bsd@2607:f2f8:a304::2): farhana
* [anisX] halcyon.il.us.dal.net :valar dohaeris
It works?
heh ::2
yes
you have to be cool to get it to be ::0 :)
RandalSchwartz, what do you mean by heh ::2 ?
well - check mine
there's no ::2 there
(he was laughing at the address)
yeah
I can see * [RandalSchwartz] (~merlyn@p3m/member/merlyn): Randal L. Schwartz only.
... -leguin.freenode.net- RandalSchwartz is connecting from *@red.stonehenge.com    2607:f2f8:3080::
notice.  no ::2
mike-burns is ::2 too!
red.stonehenge.com has IPv6 address 2607:f2f8:3080::
and that's how I roll
It is special if 2607:f2f8:3080::randal
-.-
well - if I wanted, I'd probably give it 2607:f2f8:3080::dead:beef:babe
or c0f:fee
(well, c0:ffee)
Oh you can make something like that?
sure - it's arbitrary
Heeee
Hard to do like that?
... ipv6_ifconfig_em0="2607:f2f8:3080::/64"
No, just set the IP
I just change that to what I want
and reboot
What is your demand if i want to learn from you brycec / RandalSchwartz?
*To learn that
RandalSchwartz: (or run the appropriate ifconfig ;))
I DEMAND COOKIES :P
I merely demand that you share it with others
so I'm not just consulting for you
...
If only everybody had a perfect grasp of English
:O
Pfttttttt
what?
Sorry , disconnected from the network.
RandalSchwartz: Did you answer my question before? About the demand?
what demand?
no - I guess not
Oh yes, I just said "only if you share it with others"
as in, I will not be your private consultant for free
RandalSchwartz:  5 IPs (/29 subnet, $5) , applied to ipv6 too?
I expect you to pass long what I say
for ipv6 you get a /48
ipv6 has big piles of addresses.
supercheap
anisfarhana: you receive a /64 from ARP, and you can request a /48 if you need more.
48 , how many of them are usable?
it's 48 bits out of 128
about a billion
please do you own math. :)
WOW
yeah
I thought its like ipv4!
no - it's a whole new game
a billion with the fancy hostname?
I already have more ipv6 addresses than there are stars in the sky
billion? more than that
a lot more
2^64 *technically*
brycec: by default, i got /64 from arp without requesting /48 ?
which is another 5 bucks for me?
yeah /64 is sort of a minimum... if you have only one segment
if you also want to route, /48 makes more sense
Yes by default you get the minimum ipv6 block, which is /64.
the /64 means that MAC addresses can map to ipv6 1-1
That will be 15 bucks monthly.
eh $15?
but you probably don't need more than 18,446,744,073,709,552,000 anyways
whereis that?
10 for small , and 5 for additional ip addresses
I didn't think arp charged for /48
(and a /48 is 65,535 * 18,446,744,073,709,552,000)
or the /74
or the /64
They charged for /29
(aww I want a /74)
right - whole different game
....
v4 addresses are a lot harder to come by
ipv6 is damn damn cheap
I don't get you guys
like zero cost to arp
ipv4 is VERY expensive now
I think you don't quiet get ipv6
*quite
so please don't apply ipv4 numbers to ipv6
i use 1 of my alotted 18,446,744,073,709,551,616   ipv6 addresses
1 IP , how many ipv6 i will have in arp?
...
anisfarhana - 2^64, or 2^96 if you ask for free
anisfarhana: You get 1 usable ipv4 IP, and 18,446,744,073,709,552,000 usable ipv6.
your choice
You must be kidding brycec / RandalSchwartz!
no
no
dude.
read up on ipv6
I am not a dude.
*dudette
there are billions and billions ov v6 addresse
unlike ipv4
I just read about native ipv6
v4 ran out.  that's why we're on v6
Yes i understand that.
anisfarhana: read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6   then ask questions
v4 ran out
ipv6 /64 is one network segment
ipv6 /48 is a small organization
2^12 subnets :)
arp has about a /36 or something
maybe even more
so it can hand out addresses freely
that should be a /32 RandalSchwartz ;)
oh yeah, probably /32
so we all have the same first four bytse
So by right, arp offer only 1 ipv4.
That 1 ipv4 , only 1 public ip address usable, am i right here?
Yes, "1 public _ipv4_ address"
That is /32 ?
no
It is /30
but because of ipv4, it's one usable
router, network, netmask, box
4 addresses eaten up for 1 usable
(technically, it's a /29 - network, gateway, your IP, broadcast address)
So 1 usable ipv4 (which is /30) , how many ipv6 usable by default provided by arp?
(Its hard for me to asked you that)
anisfarhana: Millions I believe
(doh, I meant /30)
English is not my language. i mean native language.
anisfarhana - for a /64, it's 2^64 - 1
for a /48, it's 2^96 - 1
with the -1 being "the router"
You get a /64 by default and you can activate your /48.
and you can even work that a bit harder and eliminate that -1 )
route over the link-local
anisfarhana: ARP provides you with 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 usable IPv6 addresses. (no joke, said this before, the answer doesn't change)
RandalSchwartz: Did you do your normal stream in the new year and I just missed it?
arenlor - no, I bailed early
maybe next year
brycec: sorry for that sir.
brycec: 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 --> you are saying i can have custom 'ipv6' and usable via IRC??
yes
You must be kiddingggggg me brycec!
RandalSchwartz: Am I kidding anisfarhana?
anisfarhana: You could connect every second with a new IPv6 address and never run out.
anisfarhana: i'm using ipv6 right now
number of known stars in the sky: 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
freenode supports is
trust me, I'm not kidding.
so maybe - you need a /48 for known stars. :)
RandalSchwartz: Well you can get a /48 on ARP
I keep wondering what anisfarhana is not grasping here
YOU GET A BIG PILE OF ADDRESSES.
BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAP
AND YOU CAN USE THEM THEM ALL TO CONNECT TO OTHER IPV6 ADDRESSES
RandalSchwartz: Just her mind blown about it
indeed
RandalSchwartz: Imagine a decade ago being told that you'd have millions of IP address all to yourself.
sure
although it's not yet "everywhere on the internet"
a lot of places still not reachable via v6
RandalSchwartz: I still wait for IPv6 to come to my house.
I for one still think the /64 is WAY TOO FUCKING BIG to be handed out to individuals.
uh - you need /64 for a sgement
if you're using MAC to segment addr
I certainly don't need an ipv6 address for every cell in my bdoy
RandalSchwartz: yeah yeah... I still don't think it's logical.
brycec: Just do the simple thing, give every connection a new IPv6 address.
well - it certainly makes (lack of) DHCP useful
I am going to sign up for small one, 10$
10$ server?
they still have those?
We'll be in the same pickle a few years from now, migrating to 1,024bit addresses
RandalSchwartz: yep
oh - the "small"
anisfarhana: Honestly, go for the USD20 one.
Putting debian on it will be awesome!
you should just get ... yeah, what he said
or at least the $15
arenlor: USD 20 just for IRC? Isn't worth it sir.
the $20 is more than double the $10
$10 is pretty damn small... you have to know what you're doing and be careful.
anisfarhana: More memory.
you'll chew through RAM very quickly
yeah, small memory = small memory. :)
How profound RandalSchwartz
15$ monthly ummm...
I pay for extra memory one on of my VPS and I'm going to do so soon for the other.
Any contract with arp? Or i can cancel anytime?
anytime
it's month-by-moth
anisfarhana: No contract.
month too
damn moth
I've been happy with them for years, don't know how long.
just remember to give them a couple days to cancel your account
3 years for me, 5 boxes right now
Ah then 3 years for me too
in fact, one of them is now a real machine
Do you guys demand for money if i wanna learn ipv6 on my arp?
RandalSchwartz is the one who recruited me
up_the_irons made maayan a real box recently
anisfarhana: I don't understand the question.
anisfarhana - as I said before, if you share what I tell you with others, no money
dunno how many times I have to say that
I think I've had 20 minutes of down time total.
I've had a few hours, but only when I had noisy neighbors
arenlor: I am asking brycec , RandalSchwartz or you, do you want money in return, if i want to learn ipv6 via my arp box? Because many people here said "Not going to do that for free"
anisfarhana: I believe in the free software culture
RandalSchwartz: Define if i share with others.
are you willing to help others here with what I tell you?
anisfarhana: Ever hear of FLOSS Weekly? Good podcast that shares knowledge with others. That's sharing.
RandalSchwartz: Of course! If only i can help them.
It is opensource, free and open :)
anisfarhana - I'm the host of FLOSS Weekly (twit.tv/floss)
host/show-runner :)
Well at least it shares when the damned guests are responsive, there's been what like 3-4 in the past few months?
we've been plugging along
... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showrunner
RandalSchwartz: Any chance of doing a "personal history" show, talking about how you got involved, maybe get a few guests on like Linus?
RandalSchwartz: You are very very geek sir!
anisfarhana - I was geek before geek was cool
RandalSchwartz: I am just quite familiar with debian , is that ok for me to learn ipv6 with custom host on it?
I'm not a linux user.  dunno.
anisfarhana: I use IPv6 and Debian
I use freebsd
arenlor: Yes i love deb
anisfarhana: Do you plan on using Linux on a desktop/laptop as your main computer ever?
RandalSchwartz: The configuration will be the same or slightly different?
anisfarhana: Highly different.
yes
Debian is special.
arenlor: I use fc1 till fc6 as my desktop before , then switch back to windows , and use linux only for servers at my office (no gui anymore) , and right now i am using OSX Lion
anisfarhana: Then just grab Freebsd and learn with that.
Why switch back to Windows? I am games freak.
It's better as a server.
anisfarhana: I'm on Doze 8 right now.
I duel boot.
dual?
Nope, duel.
or against each other?
Win8 + putty or vm = cool
Windows likes to override the MBR a lot.
Not going to use Linux as primary desktop anymore.
anisfarhana: Then definitely just grab FreeBSD and go with it.
s/Linux/Windows/
arenlor: I am 0% with freebsd.
mikeputnam: you forgot /gi
anisfarhana: I know someone who loves FreeBSD and may help you.
arenlor: If i use Freebsd, and asking RandalSchwartz 'stupid' questions, the possibility RandalSchwartz blacklisted me is there!
At least in debian, i know where the network script is located ^^
afk
lol
lmao
heh
greetings
thinking of doing an upgrade by purchasing a new vm, then ditching my old one when i'm ready - current one is too out of date :(
hey barryk
don't see how to order without entering all my info again..
barryk: you can send a ticket to support@arpnetworks.com
barryk: do you have an available IP within your current IP block?
no, i just have the one
ipv4 that is
barryk: you would have to buy a /29 (5 IP block) if you want both VMs active at the same time with a different public IP (or just upgrade using IPv6 ;)
ipv6 works
you're saying that so the traffic stays 'local' right
barryk: yeah it will stay local, just wasn't sure if you needed a public IPv4 assigned to it
I will - when it's ready to take over.. don't care if it changes or stays the same
ok cool
thx for the help, great service btw, never had a better provider
up_the_irons: You around?
hai guys! <3
kbye