[00:21] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [02:36] jan 3... man, this year is already going fast ;) [02:36] wasn't christmas yesterday?? [02:39] mnathani: thanks for the reminder, i'm updating my hints file now... [03:57] *** [Derek] has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [03:58] *** [Derek] has joined #arpnetworks [08:13] *** meingtsla has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [08:16] *** meingtsla has joined #arpnetworks [08:16] *** staticsafe has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2) [08:17] *** staticsafe has joined #arpnetworks [11:15] *** userZero has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [11:16] *** userZero has joined #arpnetworks [11:46] *** DaCa has quit IRC (Quit: Reconnecting) [11:46] *** DaCa has joined #arpnetworks [12:26] *** anisfarhana has joined #arpnetworks [12:26] Hellooo :D [12:26] Anyone alive? [12:27] many people are alive [12:27] * anisfarhana throws her win8 OEM cd to RandalSchwartz [12:28] many more people are dead [12:28] * tooth is alive [12:28] far more dead people than alive people [12:28] Umm..i am considering to test $10 vps from arpnetwork, how fast the activation is? [12:29] generally a day or two [12:29] everything is generally a day or two :) [12:29] Is there a way to make it more faster? [12:29] no [12:29] this is not a place with 24/7 tech support [12:29] but for that you get cheaper machines [12:29] there's catatastrophe support, but not request support [12:29] Uh oh. [12:30] well - go ahead and pay more somewhere else then [12:30] I need to google what is catataprope is. [12:30] as in, if the hardware fails, the appropriate people take action immediately [12:30] but if you want something different in your config, you have to wait 24-48 hours [12:30] Horrible event? [12:30] I am interested on ipv6 [12:30] it's a pretty good mix, and has worked well for me [12:31] I have five VPS here [12:31] for three years now [12:31] yeah ipv6 is great here [12:31] Umm. [12:31] Maybe you can help me with something here. [12:31] maybe, maybe not. [12:32] http://goo.gl/ztVsx , possible? [12:32] connecting to IRC over IPv6? [12:32] Yup [12:32] yes, many of us are connected that way [12:32] I'm doing that RIGHT NOW [12:32] ^ [12:32] * brycec is too [12:32] ^^ [12:32] Using the arp's box? [12:32] see /whois RandalSchwartz [12:32] yes [12:32] ^ [12:32] ... 2607:f2f8:3080:: [12:32] You guys are funny. [12:33] No we are not. [12:33] * [RandalSchwartz] (~merlyn@p3m/member/merlyn): Randal L. Schwartz [12:33] and yes, I use my ::0 address for my box :) [12:33] :P [12:33] why not, I have millions of them. :) [12:33] easy to remember ;) [12:33] I just don't get this part --> you can point your client at ipv6.dal.net [12:33] and quicker to type [12:33] Point as in, like rdns for ipv4? [12:33] anisfarhana: as in, /connect ipv6.dal.net [12:34] (depending on the client's syntax) [12:34] it's silly that people still have separate addresses for ipv6 [12:34] I can use portal or 'hack' the config script for that? [12:34] now that we're firmly in the v6 world [12:34] I just connect to irc.freenode.net [12:34] and it does The Right Thing in the face of v6 [12:34] can i /connect to ipv6.dal.net by via bnc? [12:34] that's up to you to configure [12:35] we're not bnc support [12:35] I know. [12:35] You guys are fierce and aggresive too :/ [12:35] some of us are [12:35] wait - where are you getting this from? [12:35] mike-burns is fuzzy and soft [12:35] I'm mostly just soft. [12:35] Getting what RandalSchwartz? [12:35] I try not to be fuzzy [12:36] .. You guys are fierce and aggresive too :/ [12:36] Most of geeky people are like that in freenode. [12:36] how do you believe I'm "fierce and aggresive[sic]"? [12:36] Well i am not new in freenode tho [12:36] I think you're prejudiced. [12:36] might want to dial that back a biut [12:36] bit [12:37] brycec: Possible to configure it via portal? [12:37] I have no idea what you're asking, anisfarhana. [12:38] brycec: about the /connect thing [12:38] What I can say is that "yes, you are free to connect to ipv6.dal.net" [12:38] presuming you have an ipv6 configuration that works [12:38] each OS is different [12:38] I can tell you what I did for freebsd [12:38] and each IRC client is different [12:39] Love you guys. [12:40] Will back in 5 minutes, going to configure bnc first :) Somebody just add me on the account and asked me to test it out. [12:41] * [anisX] (bsd@2607:f2f8:a304::2): farhana [12:41] * [anisX] halcyon.il.us.dal.net :valar dohaeris [12:42] It works? [12:42] heh ::2 [12:42] yes [12:42] * anisfarhana jumps around the channel! [12:42] you have to be cool to get it to be ::0 :) [12:42] RandalSchwartz, what do you mean by heh ::2 ? [12:42] well - check mine [12:42] there's no ::2 there [12:43] (he was laughing at the address) [12:43] yeah [12:43] I can see * [RandalSchwartz] (~merlyn@p3m/member/merlyn): Randal L. Schwartz only. [12:43] ... -leguin.freenode.net- RandalSchwartz is connecting from *@red.stonehenge.com 2607:f2f8:3080:: [12:43] notice. no ::2 [12:43] mike-burns is ::2 too! [12:43] * brycec is ::3 I think [12:44] red.stonehenge.com has IPv6 address 2607:f2f8:3080:: [12:44] and that's how I roll [12:44] It is special if 2607:f2f8:3080::randal [12:44] * anisfarhana ducks [12:44] -.- [12:45] well - if I wanted, I'd probably give it 2607:f2f8:3080::dead:beef:babe [12:45] or c0f:fee [12:45] (well, c0:ffee) [12:45] Oh you can make something like that? [12:45] sure - it's arbitrary [12:45] Heeee [12:45] Hard to do like that? [12:45] ... ipv6_ifconfig_em0="2607:f2f8:3080::/64" [12:45] No, just set the IP [12:46] I just change that to what I want [12:46] and reboot [12:48] *** Leftwee has joined #arpnetworks [12:48] What is your demand if i want to learn from you brycec / RandalSchwartz? [12:48] *To learn that [12:48] RandalSchwartz: (or run the appropriate ifconfig ;)) [12:48] I DEMAND COOKIES :P [12:49] I merely demand that you share it with others [12:49] so I'm not just consulting for you [12:53] *** cullum has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [12:53] *** anisfarhana has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [12:53] ... [12:53] If only everybody had a perfect grasp of English [13:05] :O [13:33] *** anisfarhana has joined #arpnetworks [13:33] Pfttttttt [13:33] * anisfarhana calling for brycec / RandalSchwartz [13:33] what? [13:34] Sorry , disconnected from the network. [13:38] RandalSchwartz: Did you answer my question before? About the demand? [13:39] what demand? [13:39] no - I guess not [13:40] Oh yes, I just said "only if you share it with others" [13:40] as in, I will not be your private consultant for free [13:40] RandalSchwartz: 5 IPs (/29 subnet, $5) , applied to ipv6 too? [13:40] I expect you to pass long what I say [13:40] for ipv6 you get a /48 [13:40] ipv6 has big piles of addresses. [13:40] supercheap [13:40] anisfarhana: you receive a /64 from ARP, and you can request a /48 if you need more. [13:41] 48 , how many of them are usable? [13:41] it's 48 bits out of 128 [13:41] about a billion [13:41] please do you own math. :) [13:41] WOW [13:41] yeah [13:41] I thought its like ipv4! [13:41] no - it's a whole new game [13:41] a billion with the fancy hostname? [13:41] I already have more ipv6 addresses than there are stars in the sky [13:42] billion? more than that [13:42] a lot more [13:42] 2^64 *technically* [13:42] brycec: by default, i got /64 from arp without requesting /48 ? [13:42] which is another 5 bucks for me? [13:42] yeah /64 is sort of a minimum... if you have only one segment [13:42] if you also want to route, /48 makes more sense [13:42] Yes by default you get the minimum ipv6 block, which is /64. [13:42] the /64 means that MAC addresses can map to ipv6 1-1 [13:42] That will be 15 bucks monthly. [13:43] eh $15? [13:43] but you probably don't need more than 18,446,744,073,709,552,000 anyways [13:43] whereis that? [13:43] 10 for small , and 5 for additional ip addresses [13:43] I didn't think arp charged for /48 [13:43] (and a /48 is 65,535 * 18,446,744,073,709,552,000) [13:43] or the /74 [13:43] or the /64 [13:43] They charged for /29 [13:43] (aww I want a /74) [13:43] right - whole different game [13:44] .... [13:44] v4 addresses are a lot harder to come by [13:44] ipv6 is damn damn cheap [13:44] I don't get you guys [13:44] like zero cost to arp [13:44] ipv4 is VERY expensive now [13:44] I think you don't quiet get ipv6 [13:44] *quite [13:44] so please don't apply ipv4 numbers to ipv6 [13:44] i use 1 of my alotted 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 ipv6 addresses [13:44] 1 IP , how many ipv6 i will have in arp? [13:45] ... [13:45] anisfarhana - 2^64, or 2^96 if you ask for free [13:45] anisfarhana: You get 1 usable ipv4 IP, and 18,446,744,073,709,552,000 usable ipv6. [13:45] *** cullum has joined #arpnetworks [13:45] your choice [13:45] You must be kidding brycec / RandalSchwartz! [13:45] no [13:45] no [13:45] dude. [13:45] read up on ipv6 [13:45] I am not a dude. [13:46] *dudette [13:46] *** cullum has quit IRC (Client Quit) [13:46] there are billions and billions ov v6 addresse [13:46] unlike ipv4 [13:46] I just read about native ipv6 [13:46] v4 ran out. that's why we're on v6 [13:46] Yes i understand that. [13:46] anisfarhana: read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6 then ask questions [13:46] v4 ran out [13:46] *** cullum has joined #arpnetworks [13:46] ipv6 /64 is one network segment [13:46] ipv6 /48 is a small organization [13:46] 2^12 subnets :) [13:47] arp has about a /36 or something [13:47] maybe even more [13:47] so it can hand out addresses freely [13:47] that should be a /32 RandalSchwartz ;) [13:47] oh yeah, probably /32 [13:47] so we all have the same first four bytse [13:48] So by right, arp offer only 1 ipv4. [13:48] That 1 ipv4 , only 1 public ip address usable, am i right here? [13:49] Yes, "1 public _ipv4_ address" [13:49] That is /32 ? [13:49] no [13:49] It is /30 [13:49] but because of ipv4, it's one usable [13:50] router, network, netmask, box [13:50] 4 addresses eaten up for 1 usable [13:50] (technically, it's a /29 - network, gateway, your IP, broadcast address) [13:50] So 1 usable ipv4 (which is /30) , how many ipv6 usable by default provided by arp? [13:50] (Its hard for me to asked you that) [13:50] anisfarhana: Millions I believe [13:50] (doh, I meant /30) [13:50] English is not my language. i mean native language. [13:51] anisfarhana - for a /64, it's 2^64 - 1 [13:51] for a /48, it's 2^96 - 1 [13:51] with the -1 being "the router" [13:51] You get a /64 by default and you can activate your /48. [13:51] and you can even work that a bit harder and eliminate that -1 ) [13:51] route over the link-local [13:51] anisfarhana: ARP provides you with 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 usable IPv6 addresses. (no joke, said this before, the answer doesn't change) [13:52] RandalSchwartz: Did you do your normal stream in the new year and I just missed it? [13:52] arenlor - no, I bailed early [13:52] maybe next year [13:52] brycec: sorry for that sir. [13:53] brycec: 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 --> you are saying i can have custom 'ipv6' and usable via IRC?? [13:53] yes [13:53] You must be kiddingggggg me brycec! [13:53] RandalSchwartz: Am I kidding anisfarhana? [13:53] anisfarhana: You could connect every second with a new IPv6 address and never run out. [13:53] anisfarhana: i'm using ipv6 right now [13:53] number of known stars in the sky: 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 [13:53] freenode supports is [13:53] trust me, I'm not kidding. [13:54] so maybe - you need a /48 for known stars. :) [13:54] RandalSchwartz: Well you can get a /48 on ARP [13:54] I keep wondering what anisfarhana is not grasping here [13:54] YOU GET A BIG PILE OF ADDRESSES. [13:54] BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAP [13:55] AND YOU CAN USE THEM THEM ALL TO CONNECT TO OTHER IPV6 ADDRESSES [13:55] RandalSchwartz: Just her mind blown about it [13:55] indeed [13:55] RandalSchwartz: Imagine a decade ago being told that you'd have millions of IP address all to yourself. [13:55] sure [13:55] although it's not yet "everywhere on the internet" [13:56] a lot of places still not reachable via v6 [13:56] RandalSchwartz: I still wait for IPv6 to come to my house. [13:56] I for one still think the /64 is WAY TOO FUCKING BIG to be handed out to individuals. [13:56] uh - you need /64 for a sgement [13:56] if you're using MAC to segment addr [13:56] I certainly don't need an ipv6 address for every cell in my bdoy [13:57] RandalSchwartz: yeah yeah... I still don't think it's logical. [13:57] brycec: Just do the simple thing, give every connection a new IPv6 address. [13:57] well - it certainly makes (lack of) DHCP useful [13:57] I am going to sign up for small one, 10$ [13:57] 10$ server? [13:57] they still have those? [13:57] We'll be in the same pickle a few years from now, migrating to 1,024bit addresses [13:57] RandalSchwartz: yep [13:57] oh - the "small" [13:57] anisfarhana: Honestly, go for the USD20 one. [13:57] Putting debian on it will be awesome! [13:57] you should just get ... yeah, what he said [13:57] or at least the $15 [13:58] arenlor: USD 20 just for IRC? Isn't worth it sir. [13:58] the $20 is more than double the $10 [13:58] $10 is pretty damn small... you have to know what you're doing and be careful. [13:58] anisfarhana: More memory. [13:58] you'll chew through RAM very quickly [13:58] yeah, small memory = small memory. :) [13:58] How profound RandalSchwartz [13:58] 15$ monthly ummm... [13:59] I pay for extra memory one on of my VPS and I'm going to do so soon for the other. [13:59] Any contract with arp? Or i can cancel anytime? [13:59] anytime [13:59] it's month-by-moth [13:59] anisfarhana: No contract. [13:59] month too [13:59] damn moth [13:59] I've been happy with them for years, don't know how long. [14:00] just remember to give them a couple days to cancel your account [14:00] 3 years for me, 5 boxes right now [14:00] Ah then 3 years for me too [14:00] in fact, one of them is now a real machine [14:00] Do you guys demand for money if i wanna learn ipv6 on my arp? [14:00] RandalSchwartz is the one who recruited me [14:00] up_the_irons made maayan a real box recently [14:00] anisfarhana: I don't understand the question. [14:00] anisfarhana - as I said before, if you share what I tell you with others, no money [14:01] dunno how many times I have to say that [14:01] I think I've had 20 minutes of down time total. [14:01] I've had a few hours, but only when I had noisy neighbors [14:01] arenlor: I am asking brycec , RandalSchwartz or you, do you want money in return, if i want to learn ipv6 via my arp box? Because many people here said "Not going to do that for free" [14:02] anisfarhana: I believe in the free software culture [14:02] RandalSchwartz: Define if i share with others. [14:02] are you willing to help others here with what I tell you? [14:02] anisfarhana: Ever hear of FLOSS Weekly? Good podcast that shares knowledge with others. That's sharing. [14:02] RandalSchwartz: Of course! If only i can help them. [14:02] * RandalSchwartz grins [14:02] It is opensource, free and open :) [14:03] anisfarhana - I'm the host of FLOSS Weekly (twit.tv/floss) [14:03] host/show-runner :) [14:03] Well at least it shares when the damned guests are responsive, there's been what like 3-4 in the past few months? [14:03] we've been plugging along [14:04] ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showrunner [14:04] RandalSchwartz: Any chance of doing a "personal history" show, talking about how you got involved, maybe get a few guests on like Linus? [14:04] RandalSchwartz: You are very very geek sir! [14:04] * anisfarhana hails RandalSchwartz [14:06] anisfarhana - I was geek before geek was cool [14:06] RandalSchwartz: I am just quite familiar with debian , is that ok for me to learn ipv6 with custom host on it? [14:08] I'm not a linux user. dunno. [14:08] anisfarhana: I use IPv6 and Debian [14:08] I use freebsd [14:08] arenlor: Yes i love deb [14:09] anisfarhana: Do you plan on using Linux on a desktop/laptop as your main computer ever? [14:09] RandalSchwartz: The configuration will be the same or slightly different? [14:09] anisfarhana: Highly different. [14:09] yes [14:09] Debian is special. [14:10] arenlor: I use fc1 till fc6 as my desktop before , then switch back to windows , and use linux only for servers at my office (no gui anymore) , and right now i am using OSX Lion [14:10] anisfarhana: Then just grab Freebsd and learn with that. [14:10] Why switch back to Windows? I am games freak. [14:10] It's better as a server. [14:10] anisfarhana: I'm on Doze 8 right now. [14:10] I duel boot. [14:11] dual? [14:11] Nope, duel. [14:11] or against each other? [14:11] Win8 + putty or vm = cool [14:11] Windows likes to override the MBR a lot. [14:11] Not going to use Linux as primary desktop anymore. [14:11] anisfarhana: Then definitely just grab FreeBSD and go with it. [14:11] s/Linux/Windows/ [14:12] arenlor: I am 0% with freebsd. [14:12] mikeputnam: you forgot /gi [14:12] anisfarhana: I know someone who loves FreeBSD and may help you. [14:12] arenlor: If i use Freebsd, and asking RandalSchwartz 'stupid' questions, the possibility RandalSchwartz blacklisted me is there! [14:13] At least in debian, i know where the network script is located ^^ [14:13] afk [14:16] *** sharvey has joined #arpnetworks [14:18] *** trafficone has joined #arpnetworks [14:19] lol [14:32] lmao [14:32] heh [14:41] *** Leftwee has quit IRC (Quit: brb) [14:41] *** Lefty has quit IRC (Quit: brb) [14:54] *** anisfarhana has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [15:33] *** arenlor has quit IRC () [17:10] *** barryk has joined #arpnetworks [17:10] greetings [17:11] thinking of doing an upgrade by purchasing a new vm, then ditching my old one when i'm ready - current one is too out of date :( [17:12] hey barryk [17:16] don't see how to order without entering all my info again.. [17:36] barryk: you can send a ticket to support@arpnetworks.com [17:37] barryk: do you have an available IP within your current IP block? [17:37] no, i just have the one [17:37] ipv4 that is [17:39] barryk: you would have to buy a /29 (5 IP block) if you want both VMs active at the same time with a different public IP (or just upgrade using IPv6 ;) [17:40] ipv6 works [17:40] you're saying that so the traffic stays 'local' right [17:46] barryk: yeah it will stay local, just wasn't sure if you needed a public IPv4 assigned to it [17:46] I will - when it's ready to take over.. don't care if it changes or stays the same [17:49] ok cool [17:56] thx for the help, great service btw, never had a better provider [17:57] *** arenlor has joined #arpnetworks [17:57] up_the_irons: You around? 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