#arpnetworks 2013-01-03,Thu

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up_the_ironsjan 3... man, this year is already going fast ;)
wasn't christmas yesterday??
mnathani: thanks for the reminder, i'm updating my hints file now...
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anisfarhanaHellooo :D
Anyone alive?
[12:26]
RandalSchwartzmany people are alive [12:27]
anisfarhanaanisfarhana throws her win8 OEM cd to RandalSchwartz [12:27]
RandalSchwartzmany more people are dead [12:28]
toothtooth is alive [12:28]
RandalSchwartzfar more dead people than alive people [12:28]
anisfarhanaUmm..i am considering to test $10 vps from arpnetwork, how fast the activation is? [12:28]
RandalSchwartzgenerally a day or two
everything is generally a day or two :)
[12:29]
anisfarhanaIs there a way to make it more faster? [12:29]
RandalSchwartzno
this is not a place with 24/7 tech support
but for that you get cheaper machines
there's catatastrophe support, but not request support
[12:29]
anisfarhanaUh oh. [12:29]
RandalSchwartzwell - go ahead and pay more somewhere else then [12:30]
anisfarhanaI need to google what is catataprope is. [12:30]
RandalSchwartzas in, if the hardware fails, the appropriate people take action immediately
but if you want something different in your config, you have to wait 24-48 hours
[12:30]
anisfarhanaHorrible event?
I am interested on ipv6
[12:30]
RandalSchwartzit's a pretty good mix, and has worked well for me
I have five VPS here
for three years now
yeah ipv6 is great here
[12:30]
anisfarhanaUmm.
Maybe you can help me with something here.
[12:31]
brycecmaybe, maybe not. [12:31]
anisfarhanahttp://goo.gl/ztVsx , possible? [12:32]
brycecconnecting to IRC over IPv6? [12:32]
anisfarhanaYup [12:32]
brycecyes, many of us are connected that way [12:32]
RandalSchwartzI'm doing that RIGHT NOW [12:32]
brycec^
brycec is too
[12:32]
anisfarhana^^
Using the arp's box?
[12:32]
RandalSchwartzsee /whois RandalSchwartz
yes
[12:32]
brycec^ [12:32]
RandalSchwartz... 2607:f2f8:3080:: [12:32]
anisfarhanaYou guys are funny. [12:32]
brycecNo we are not. [12:33]
anisfarhana* [RandalSchwartz] (~merlyn@p3m/member/merlyn): Randal L. Schwartz [12:33]
RandalSchwartzand yes, I use my ::0 address for my box :) [12:33]
anisfarhana:P [12:33]
RandalSchwartzwhy not, I have millions of them. :) [12:33]
bryceceasy to remember ;) [12:33]
anisfarhanaI just don't get this part --> you can point your client at ipv6.dal.net [12:33]
brycecand quicker to type [12:33]
anisfarhanaPoint as in, like rdns for ipv4? [12:33]
brycecanisfarhana: as in, /connect ipv6.dal.net
(depending on the client's syntax)
[12:33]
RandalSchwartzit's silly that people still have separate addresses for ipv6 [12:34]
anisfarhanaI can use portal or 'hack' the config script for that? [12:34]
RandalSchwartznow that we're firmly in the v6 world
I just connect to irc.freenode.net
and it does The Right Thing in the face of v6
[12:34]
anisfarhanacan i /connect to ipv6.dal.net by via bnc? [12:34]
brycecthat's up to you to configure
we're not bnc support
[12:34]
anisfarhanaI know.
You guys are fierce and aggresive too :/
[12:35]
brycecsome of us are [12:35]
RandalSchwartzwait - where are you getting this from? [12:35]
brycecmike-burns is fuzzy and soft [12:35]
RandalSchwartzI'm mostly just soft. [12:35]
anisfarhanaGetting what RandalSchwartz? [12:35]
RandalSchwartzI try not to be fuzzy
.. <anisfarhana> You guys are fierce and aggresive too :/
[12:35]
anisfarhanaMost of geeky people are like that in freenode. [12:36]
RandalSchwartzhow do you believe I'm "fierce and aggresive[sic]"? [12:36]
anisfarhanaWell i am not new in freenode tho [12:36]
RandalSchwartzI think you're prejudiced.
might want to dial that back a biut
bit
[12:36]
anisfarhanabrycec: Possible to configure it via portal? [12:37]
brycecI have no idea what you're asking, anisfarhana. [12:37]
anisfarhanabrycec: about the /connect thing [12:38]
brycecWhat I can say is that "yes, you are free to connect to ipv6.dal.net" [12:38]
RandalSchwartzpresuming you have an ipv6 configuration that works
each OS is different
I can tell you what I did for freebsd
[12:38]
brycecand each IRC client is different [12:38]
anisfarhanaLove you guys.
Will back in 5 minutes, going to configure bnc first :) Somebody just add me on the account and asked me to test it out.
* [anisX] (bsd@2607:f2f8:a304::2): farhana
* [anisX] halcyon.il.us.dal.net :valar dohaeris
It works?
[12:39]
RandalSchwartzheh ::2 [12:42]
brycecyes [12:42]
anisfarhanaanisfarhana jumps around the channel! [12:42]
RandalSchwartzyou have to be cool to get it to be ::0 :) [12:42]
anisfarhanaRandalSchwartz, what do you mean by heh ::2 ? [12:42]
RandalSchwartzwell - check mine
there's no ::2 there
[12:42]
brycec(he was laughing at the address) [12:43]
RandalSchwartzyeah [12:43]
anisfarhanaI can see * [RandalSchwartz] (~merlyn@p3m/member/merlyn): Randal L. Schwartz only. [12:43]
RandalSchwartz... -leguin.freenode.net- RandalSchwartz is connecting from *@red.stonehenge.com 2607:f2f8:3080::
notice. no ::2
[12:43]
anisfarhanamike-burns is ::2 too! [12:43]
brycecbrycec is ::3 I think [12:43]
RandalSchwartzred.stonehenge.com has IPv6 address 2607:f2f8:3080::
and that's how I roll
[12:44]
anisfarhanaIt is special if 2607:f2f8:3080::randal
anisfarhana ducks
[12:44]
brycec-.- [12:44]
RandalSchwartzwell - if I wanted, I'd probably give it 2607:f2f8:3080::dead:beef:babe [12:45]
brycecor c0f:fee
(well, c0:ffee)
[12:45]
anisfarhanaOh you can make something like that? [12:45]
RandalSchwartzsure - it's arbitrary [12:45]
anisfarhanaHeeee
Hard to do like that?
[12:45]
RandalSchwartz... ipv6_ifconfig_em0="2607:f2f8:3080::/64" [12:45]
brycecNo, just set the IP [12:45]
RandalSchwartzI just change that to what I want
and reboot
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anisfarhanaWhat is your demand if i want to learn from you brycec / RandalSchwartz?
*To learn that
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brycecRandalSchwartz: (or run the appropriate ifconfig ;))
I DEMAND COOKIES :P
[12:48]
RandalSchwartzI merely demand that you share it with others
so I'm not just consulting for you
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brycec...
If only everybody had a perfect grasp of English
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anisfarhanaPfttttttt
anisfarhana calling for brycec / RandalSchwartz
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RandalSchwartzwhat? [13:33]
anisfarhanaSorry , disconnected from the network.
RandalSchwartz: Did you answer my question before? About the demand?
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RandalSchwartzwhat demand?
no - I guess not
Oh yes, I just said "only if you share it with others"
as in, I will not be your private consultant for free
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anisfarhanaRandalSchwartz: 5 IPs (/29 subnet, $5) , applied to ipv6 too? [13:40]
RandalSchwartzI expect you to pass long what I say
for ipv6 you get a /48
ipv6 has big piles of addresses.
supercheap
[13:40]
brycecanisfarhana: you receive a /64 from ARP, and you can request a /48 if you need more. [13:40]
anisfarhana48 , how many of them are usable? [13:41]
RandalSchwartzit's 48 bits out of 128 [13:41]
brycecabout a billion [13:41]
RandalSchwartzplease do you own math. :) [13:41]
anisfarhanaWOW [13:41]
RandalSchwartzyeah [13:41]
anisfarhanaI thought its like ipv4! [13:41]
RandalSchwartzno - it's a whole new game [13:41]
anisfarhanaa billion with the fancy hostname? [13:41]
RandalSchwartzI already have more ipv6 addresses than there are stars in the sky [13:41]
Leftweebillion? more than that
a lot more
[13:42]
brycec2^64 *technically* [13:42]
anisfarhanabrycec: by default, i got /64 from arp without requesting /48 ?
which is another 5 bucks for me?
[13:42]
RandalSchwartzyeah /64 is sort of a minimum... if you have only one segment
if you also want to route, /48 makes more sense
[13:42]
brycecYes by default you get the minimum ipv6 block, which is /64. [13:42]
RandalSchwartzthe /64 means that MAC addresses can map to ipv6 1-1 [13:42]
anisfarhanaThat will be 15 bucks monthly. [13:42]
RandalSchwartzeh $15? [13:43]
brycecbut you probably don't need more than 18,446,744,073,709,552,000 anyways [13:43]
RandalSchwartzwhereis that? [13:43]
anisfarhana10 for small , and 5 for additional ip addresses [13:43]
RandalSchwartzI didn't think arp charged for /48 [13:43]
brycec(and a /48 is 65,535 * 18,446,744,073,709,552,000) [13:43]
RandalSchwartzor the /74
or the /64
[13:43]
anisfarhanaThey charged for /29 [13:43]
brycec(aww I want a /74) [13:43]
RandalSchwartzright - whole different game [13:43]
anisfarhana.... [13:44]
Leftweev4 addresses are a lot harder to come by [13:44]
RandalSchwartzipv6 is damn damn cheap [13:44]
anisfarhanaI don't get you guys [13:44]
RandalSchwartzlike zero cost to arp
ipv4 is VERY expensive now
[13:44]
brycecI think you don't quiet get ipv6
*quite
[13:44]
RandalSchwartzso please don't apply ipv4 numbers to ipv6 [13:44]
mikeputnami use 1 of my alotted 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 ipv6 addresses [13:44]
anisfarhana1 IP , how many ipv6 i will have in arp?
...
[13:44]
RandalSchwartzanisfarhana - 2^64, or 2^96 if you ask for free [13:45]
brycecanisfarhana: You get 1 usable ipv4 IP, and 18,446,744,073,709,552,000 usable ipv6. [13:45]
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RandalSchwartzyour choice [13:45]
anisfarhanaYou must be kidding brycec / RandalSchwartz! [13:45]
RandalSchwartzno [13:45]
brycecno [13:45]
RandalSchwartzdude.
read up on ipv6
[13:45]
anisfarhanaI am not a dude. [13:45]
brycec*dudette [13:46]
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RandalSchwartzthere are billions and billions ov v6 addresse
unlike ipv4
[13:46]
anisfarhanaI just read about native ipv6 [13:46]
RandalSchwartzv4 ran out. that's why we're on v6 [13:46]
anisfarhanaYes i understand that. [13:46]
mikeputnamanisfarhana: read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6 then ask questions [13:46]
anisfarhanav4 ran out [13:46]
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RandalSchwartzipv6 /64 is one network segment
ipv6 /48 is a small organization
2^12 subnets :)
arp has about a /36 or something
maybe even more
so it can hand out addresses freely
[13:46]
brycecthat should be a /32 RandalSchwartz ;) [13:47]
RandalSchwartzoh yeah, probably /32
so we all have the same first four bytse
[13:47]
anisfarhanaSo by right, arp offer only 1 ipv4.
That 1 ipv4 , only 1 public ip address usable, am i right here?
[13:48]
brycecYes, "1 public _ipv4_ address" [13:49]
anisfarhanaThat is /32 ?
no
It is /30
[13:49]
RandalSchwartzbut because of ipv4, it's one usable
router, network, netmask, box
4 addresses eaten up for 1 usable
[13:49]
brycec(technically, it's a /29 - network, gateway, your IP, broadcast address) [13:50]
anisfarhanaSo 1 usable ipv4 (which is /30) , how many ipv6 usable by default provided by arp?
(Its hard for me to asked you that)
[13:50]
arenloranisfarhana: Millions I believe [13:50]
brycec(doh, I meant /30) [13:50]
anisfarhanaEnglish is not my language. i mean native language. [13:50]
RandalSchwartzanisfarhana - for a /64, it's 2^64 - 1
for a /48, it's 2^96 - 1
with the -1 being "the router"
[13:51]
arenlorYou get a /64 by default and you can activate your /48. [13:51]
RandalSchwartzand you can even work that a bit harder and eliminate that -1 )
route over the link-local
[13:51]
brycecanisfarhana: ARP provides you with 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 usable IPv6 addresses. (no joke, said this before, the answer doesn't change) [13:51]
arenlorRandalSchwartz: Did you do your normal stream in the new year and I just missed it? [13:52]
RandalSchwartzarenlor - no, I bailed early
maybe next year
[13:52]
anisfarhanabrycec: sorry for that sir.
brycec: 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 --> you are saying i can have custom 'ipv6' and usable via IRC??
[13:52]
brycecyes [13:53]
anisfarhanaYou must be kiddingggggg me brycec! [13:53]
brycecRandalSchwartz: Am I kidding anisfarhana? [13:53]
arenloranisfarhana: You could connect every second with a new IPv6 address and never run out. [13:53]
mikeputnamanisfarhana: i'm using ipv6 right now [13:53]
RandalSchwartznumber of known stars in the sky: 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 [13:53]
mikeputnamfreenode supports is [13:53]
brycectrust me, I'm not kidding. [13:53]
RandalSchwartzso maybe - you need a /48 for known stars. :) [13:54]
arenlorRandalSchwartz: Well you can get a /48 on ARP [13:54]
RandalSchwartzI keep wondering what anisfarhana is not grasping here
YOU GET A BIG PILE OF ADDRESSES.
BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAP
[13:54]
brycecAND YOU CAN USE THEM THEM ALL TO CONNECT TO OTHER IPV6 ADDRESSES [13:55]
arenlorRandalSchwartz: Just her mind blown about it [13:55]
RandalSchwartzindeed [13:55]
arenlorRandalSchwartz: Imagine a decade ago being told that you'd have millions of IP address all to yourself. [13:55]
RandalSchwartzsure
although it's not yet "everywhere on the internet"
a lot of places still not reachable via v6
[13:55]
arenlorRandalSchwartz: I still wait for IPv6 to come to my house. [13:56]
brycecI for one still think the /64 is WAY TOO FUCKING BIG to be handed out to individuals. [13:56]
RandalSchwartzuh - you need /64 for a sgement
if you're using MAC to segment addr
[13:56]
brycecI certainly don't need an ipv6 address for every cell in my bdoy
RandalSchwartz: yeah yeah... I still don't think it's logical.
[13:56]
arenlorbrycec: Just do the simple thing, give every connection a new IPv6 address. [13:57]
RandalSchwartzwell - it certainly makes (lack of) DHCP useful [13:57]
anisfarhanaI am going to sign up for small one, 10$ [13:57]
RandalSchwartz10$ server?
they still have those?
[13:57]
brycecWe'll be in the same pickle a few years from now, migrating to 1,024bit addresses
RandalSchwartz: yep
[13:57]
RandalSchwartzoh - the "small" [13:57]
arenloranisfarhana: Honestly, go for the USD20 one. [13:57]
anisfarhanaPutting debian on it will be awesome! [13:57]
RandalSchwartzyou should just get ... yeah, what he said [13:57]
brycecor at least the $15 [13:57]
anisfarhanaarenlor: USD 20 just for IRC? Isn't worth it sir. [13:58]
RandalSchwartzthe $20 is more than double the $10 [13:58]
brycec$10 is pretty damn small... you have to know what you're doing and be careful. [13:58]
arenloranisfarhana: More memory. [13:58]
brycecyou'll chew through RAM very quickly [13:58]
RandalSchwartzyeah, small memory = small memory. :) [13:58]
brycecHow profound RandalSchwartz [13:58]
anisfarhana15$ monthly ummm... [13:58]
arenlorI pay for extra memory one on of my VPS and I'm going to do so soon for the other. [13:59]
anisfarhanaAny contract with arp? Or i can cancel anytime? [13:59]
brycecanytime [13:59]
RandalSchwartzit's month-by-moth [13:59]
arenloranisfarhana: No contract. [13:59]
RandalSchwartzmonth too
damn moth
[13:59]
arenlorI've been happy with them for years, don't know how long. [13:59]
RandalSchwartzjust remember to give them a couple days to cancel your account
3 years for me, 5 boxes right now
[14:00]
arenlorAh then 3 years for me too [14:00]
RandalSchwartzin fact, one of them is now a real machine [14:00]
anisfarhanaDo you guys demand for money if i wanna learn ipv6 on my arp? [14:00]
arenlorRandalSchwartz is the one who recruited me [14:00]
RandalSchwartzup_the_irons made maayan a real box recently [14:00]
arenloranisfarhana: I don't understand the question. [14:00]
RandalSchwartzanisfarhana - as I said before, if you share what I tell you with others, no money
dunno how many times I have to say that
[14:00]
arenlorI think I've had 20 minutes of down time total. [14:01]
RandalSchwartzI've had a few hours, but only when I had noisy neighbors [14:01]
anisfarhanaarenlor: I am asking brycec , RandalSchwartz or you, do you want money in return, if i want to learn ipv6 via my arp box? Because many people here said "Not going to do that for free" [14:01]
arenloranisfarhana: I believe in the free software culture [14:02]
anisfarhanaRandalSchwartz: Define if i share with others. [14:02]
RandalSchwartzare you willing to help others here with what I tell you? [14:02]
arenloranisfarhana: Ever hear of FLOSS Weekly? Good podcast that shares knowledge with others. That's sharing. [14:02]
anisfarhanaRandalSchwartz: Of course! If only i can help them. [14:02]
RandalSchwartzRandalSchwartz grins [14:02]
anisfarhanaIt is opensource, free and open :) [14:02]
RandalSchwartzanisfarhana - I'm the host of FLOSS Weekly (twit.tv/floss)
host/show-runner :)
[14:03]
arenlorWell at least it shares when the damned guests are responsive, there's been what like 3-4 in the past few months? [14:03]
RandalSchwartzwe've been plugging along
... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showrunner
[14:03]
arenlorRandalSchwartz: Any chance of doing a "personal history" show, talking about how you got involved, maybe get a few guests on like Linus? [14:04]
anisfarhanaRandalSchwartz: You are very very geek sir!
anisfarhana hails RandalSchwartz
[14:04]
RandalSchwartzanisfarhana - I was geek before geek was cool [14:06]
anisfarhanaRandalSchwartz: I am just quite familiar with debian , is that ok for me to learn ipv6 with custom host on it? [14:06]
RandalSchwartzI'm not a linux user. dunno. [14:08]
arenloranisfarhana: I use IPv6 and Debian [14:08]
RandalSchwartzI use freebsd [14:08]
anisfarhanaarenlor: Yes i love deb [14:08]
arenloranisfarhana: Do you plan on using Linux on a desktop/laptop as your main computer ever? [14:09]
anisfarhanaRandalSchwartz: The configuration will be the same or slightly different? [14:09]
arenloranisfarhana: Highly different. [14:09]
RandalSchwartzyes [14:09]
arenlorDebian is special. [14:09]
anisfarhanaarenlor: I use fc1 till fc6 as my desktop before , then switch back to windows , and use linux only for servers at my office (no gui anymore) , and right now i am using OSX Lion [14:10]
arenloranisfarhana: Then just grab Freebsd and learn with that. [14:10]
anisfarhanaWhy switch back to Windows? I am games freak. [14:10]
arenlorIt's better as a server.
anisfarhana: I'm on Doze 8 right now.
I duel boot.
[14:10]
RandalSchwartzdual? [14:11]
arenlorNope, duel. [14:11]
RandalSchwartzor against each other? [14:11]
anisfarhanaWin8 + putty or vm = cool [14:11]
arenlorWindows likes to override the MBR a lot. [14:11]
anisfarhanaNot going to use Linux as primary desktop anymore. [14:11]
arenloranisfarhana: Then definitely just grab FreeBSD and go with it. [14:11]
mikeputnams/Linux/Windows/ [14:11]
anisfarhanaarenlor: I am 0% with freebsd. [14:12]
arenlormikeputnam: you forgot /gi
anisfarhana: I know someone who loves FreeBSD and may help you.
[14:12]
anisfarhanaarenlor: If i use Freebsd, and asking RandalSchwartz 'stupid' questions, the possibility RandalSchwartz blacklisted me is there!
At least in debian, i know where the network script is located ^^
[14:12]
arenlorafk [14:13]
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barrykgreetings
thinking of doing an upgrade by purchasing a new vm, then ditching my old one when i'm ready - current one is too out of date :(
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up_the_ironshey barryk [17:12]
barrykdon't see how to order without entering all my info again.. [17:16]
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up_the_ironsbarryk: you can send a ticket to support@arpnetworks.com
barryk: do you have an available IP within your current IP block?
[17:36]
barrykno, i just have the one
ipv4 that is
[17:37]
up_the_ironsbarryk: you would have to buy a /29 (5 IP block) if you want both VMs active at the same time with a different public IP (or just upgrade using IPv6 ;) [17:39]
barrykipv6 works
you're saying that so the traffic stays 'local' right
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up_the_ironsbarryk: yeah it will stay local, just wasn't sure if you needed a public IPv4 assigned to it [17:46]
barrykI will - when it's ready to take over.. don't care if it changes or stays the same [17:46]
up_the_ironsok cool [17:49]
barrykthx for the help, great service btw, never had a better provider [17:56]
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arenlorup_the_irons: You around? [17:57]
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qbithai guys! <3
kbye
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