up_the_irons: jan 3... man, this year is already going fast ;)
wasn't christmas yesterday??
mnathani: thanks for the reminder, i'm updating my hints file now... ***: [Derek] has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
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anisfarhana has joined #arpnetworks anisfarhana: Hellooo :D
Anyone alive? RandalSchwartz: many people are alive -: anisfarhana throws her win8 OEM cd to RandalSchwartz RandalSchwartz: many more people are dead -: tooth is alive RandalSchwartz: far more dead people than alive people anisfarhana: Umm..i am considering to test $10 vps from arpnetwork, how fast the activation is? RandalSchwartz: generally a day or two
everything is generally a day or two :) anisfarhana: Is there a way to make it more faster? RandalSchwartz: no
this is not a place with 24/7 tech support
but for that you get cheaper machines
there's catatastrophe support, but not request support anisfarhana: Uh oh. RandalSchwartz: well - go ahead and pay more somewhere else then anisfarhana: I need to google what is catataprope is. RandalSchwartz: as in, if the hardware fails, the appropriate people take action immediately
but if you want something different in your config, you have to wait 24-48 hours anisfarhana: Horrible event?
I am interested on ipv6 RandalSchwartz: it's a pretty good mix, and has worked well for me
I have five VPS here
for three years now
yeah ipv6 is great here anisfarhana: Umm.
Maybe you can help me with something here. brycec: maybe, maybe not. anisfarhana: http://goo.gl/ztVsx , possible? brycec: connecting to IRC over IPv6? anisfarhana: Yup brycec: yes, many of us are connected that way RandalSchwartz: I'm doing that RIGHT NOW brycec: ^ -: brycec is too anisfarhana: ^^
Using the arp's box? RandalSchwartz: see /whois RandalSchwartz
yes brycec: ^ RandalSchwartz: ... 2607:f2f8:3080:: anisfarhana: You guys are funny. brycec: No we are not. anisfarhana: * [RandalSchwartz] (~merlyn@p3m/member/merlyn): Randal L. Schwartz RandalSchwartz: and yes, I use my ::0 address for my box :) anisfarhana: :P RandalSchwartz: why not, I have millions of them. :) brycec: easy to remember ;) anisfarhana: I just don't get this part --> you can point your client at ipv6.dal.net brycec: and quicker to type anisfarhana: Point as in, like rdns for ipv4? brycec: anisfarhana: as in, /connect ipv6.dal.net
(depending on the client's syntax) RandalSchwartz: it's silly that people still have separate addresses for ipv6 anisfarhana: I can use portal or 'hack' the config script for that? RandalSchwartz: now that we're firmly in the v6 world
I just connect to irc.freenode.net
and it does The Right Thing in the face of v6 anisfarhana: can i /connect to ipv6.dal.net by via bnc? brycec: that's up to you to configure
we're not bnc support anisfarhana: I know.
You guys are fierce and aggresive too :/ brycec: some of us are RandalSchwartz: wait - where are you getting this from? brycec: mike-burns is fuzzy and soft RandalSchwartz: I'm mostly just soft. anisfarhana: Getting what RandalSchwartz? RandalSchwartz: I try not to be fuzzy
.. <anisfarhana> You guys are fierce and aggresive too :/ anisfarhana: Most of geeky people are like that in freenode. RandalSchwartz: how do you believe I'm "fierce and aggresive[sic]"? anisfarhana: Well i am not new in freenode tho RandalSchwartz: I think you're prejudiced.
might want to dial that back a biut
bit anisfarhana: brycec: Possible to configure it via portal? brycec: I have no idea what you're asking, anisfarhana. anisfarhana: brycec: about the /connect thing brycec: What I can say is that "yes, you are free to connect to ipv6.dal.net" RandalSchwartz: presuming you have an ipv6 configuration that works
each OS is different
I can tell you what I did for freebsd brycec: and each IRC client is different anisfarhana: Love you guys.
Will back in 5 minutes, going to configure bnc first :) Somebody just add me on the account and asked me to test it out.
* [anisX] (bsd@2607:f2f8:a304::2): farhana
* [anisX] halcyon.il.us.dal.net :valar dohaeris
It works? RandalSchwartz: heh ::2 brycec: yes -: anisfarhana jumps around the channel! RandalSchwartz: you have to be cool to get it to be ::0 :) anisfarhana: RandalSchwartz, what do you mean by heh ::2 ? RandalSchwartz: well - check mine
there's no ::2 there brycec: (he was laughing at the address) RandalSchwartz: yeah anisfarhana: I can see * [RandalSchwartz] (~merlyn@p3m/member/merlyn): Randal L. Schwartz only. RandalSchwartz: ... -leguin.freenode.net- RandalSchwartz is connecting from *@red.stonehenge.com 2607:f2f8:3080::
notice. no ::2 anisfarhana: mike-burns is ::2 too! -: brycec is ::3 I think RandalSchwartz: red.stonehenge.com has IPv6 address 2607:f2f8:3080::
and that's how I roll anisfarhana: It is special if 2607:f2f8:3080::randal -: anisfarhana ducks brycec: -.- RandalSchwartz: well - if I wanted, I'd probably give it 2607:f2f8:3080::dead:beef:babe brycec: or c0f:fee
(well, c0:ffee) anisfarhana: Oh you can make something like that? RandalSchwartz: sure - it's arbitrary anisfarhana: Heeee
Hard to do like that? RandalSchwartz: ... ipv6_ifconfig_em0="2607:f2f8:3080::/64" brycec: No, just set the IP RandalSchwartz: I just change that to what I want
and reboot ***: Leftwee has joined #arpnetworks anisfarhana: What is your demand if i want to learn from you brycec / RandalSchwartz?
*To learn that brycec: RandalSchwartz: (or run the appropriate ifconfig ;))
I DEMAND COOKIES :P RandalSchwartz: I merely demand that you share it with others
so I'm not just consulting for you ***: cullum has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
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If only everybody had a perfect grasp of English staticsafe: :O ***: anisfarhana has joined #arpnetworks anisfarhana: Pfttttttt -: anisfarhana calling for brycec / RandalSchwartz RandalSchwartz: what? anisfarhana: Sorry , disconnected from the network.
RandalSchwartz: Did you answer my question before? About the demand? RandalSchwartz: what demand?
no - I guess not
Oh yes, I just said "only if you share it with others"
as in, I will not be your private consultant for free anisfarhana: RandalSchwartz: 5 IPs (/29 subnet, $5) , applied to ipv6 too? RandalSchwartz: I expect you to pass long what I say
for ipv6 you get a /48
ipv6 has big piles of addresses.
supercheap brycec: anisfarhana: you receive a /64 from ARP, and you can request a /48 if you need more. anisfarhana: 48 , how many of them are usable? RandalSchwartz: it's 48 bits out of 128 brycec: about a billion RandalSchwartz: please do you own math. :) anisfarhana: WOW RandalSchwartz: yeah anisfarhana: I thought its like ipv4! RandalSchwartz: no - it's a whole new game anisfarhana: a billion with the fancy hostname? RandalSchwartz: I already have more ipv6 addresses than there are stars in the sky Leftwee: billion? more than that
a lot more brycec: 2^64 *technically* anisfarhana: brycec: by default, i got /64 from arp without requesting /48 ?
which is another 5 bucks for me? RandalSchwartz: yeah /64 is sort of a minimum... if you have only one segment
if you also want to route, /48 makes more sense brycec: Yes by default you get the minimum ipv6 block, which is /64. RandalSchwartz: the /64 means that MAC addresses can map to ipv6 1-1 anisfarhana: That will be 15 bucks monthly. RandalSchwartz: eh $15? brycec: but you probably don't need more than 18,446,744,073,709,552,000 anyways RandalSchwartz: whereis that? anisfarhana: 10 for small , and 5 for additional ip addresses RandalSchwartz: I didn't think arp charged for /48 brycec: (and a /48 is 65,535 * 18,446,744,073,709,552,000) RandalSchwartz: or the /74
or the /64 anisfarhana: They charged for /29 brycec: (aww I want a /74) RandalSchwartz: right - whole different game anisfarhana: .... Leftwee: v4 addresses are a lot harder to come by RandalSchwartz: ipv6 is damn damn cheap anisfarhana: I don't get you guys RandalSchwartz: like zero cost to arp
ipv4 is VERY expensive now brycec: I think you don't quiet get ipv6
*quite RandalSchwartz: so please don't apply ipv4 numbers to ipv6 mikeputnam: i use 1 of my alotted 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 ipv6 addresses anisfarhana: 1 IP , how many ipv6 i will have in arp?
... RandalSchwartz: anisfarhana - 2^64, or 2^96 if you ask for free brycec: anisfarhana: You get 1 usable ipv4 IP, and 18,446,744,073,709,552,000 usable ipv6. ***: cullum has joined #arpnetworks RandalSchwartz: your choice anisfarhana: You must be kidding brycec / RandalSchwartz! RandalSchwartz: no brycec: no RandalSchwartz: dude.
read up on ipv6 anisfarhana: I am not a dude. brycec: *dudette ***: cullum has quit IRC (Client Quit) RandalSchwartz: there are billions and billions ov v6 addresse
unlike ipv4 anisfarhana: I just read about native ipv6 RandalSchwartz: v4 ran out. that's why we're on v6 anisfarhana: Yes i understand that. mikeputnam: anisfarhana: read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6 then ask questions anisfarhana: v4 ran out ***: cullum has joined #arpnetworks RandalSchwartz: ipv6 /64 is one network segment
ipv6 /48 is a small organization
2^12 subnets :)
arp has about a /36 or something
maybe even more
so it can hand out addresses freely brycec: that should be a /32 RandalSchwartz ;) RandalSchwartz: oh yeah, probably /32
so we all have the same first four bytse anisfarhana: So by right, arp offer only 1 ipv4.
That 1 ipv4 , only 1 public ip address usable, am i right here? brycec: Yes, "1 public _ipv4_ address" anisfarhana: That is /32 ?
no
It is /30 RandalSchwartz: but because of ipv4, it's one usable
router, network, netmask, box
4 addresses eaten up for 1 usable brycec: (technically, it's a /29 - network, gateway, your IP, broadcast address) anisfarhana: So 1 usable ipv4 (which is /30) , how many ipv6 usable by default provided by arp?
(Its hard for me to asked you that) arenlor: anisfarhana: Millions I believe brycec: (doh, I meant /30) anisfarhana: English is not my language. i mean native language. RandalSchwartz: anisfarhana - for a /64, it's 2^64 - 1
for a /48, it's 2^96 - 1
with the -1 being "the router" arenlor: You get a /64 by default and you can activate your /48. RandalSchwartz: and you can even work that a bit harder and eliminate that -1 )
route over the link-local brycec: anisfarhana: ARP provides you with 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 usable IPv6 addresses. (no joke, said this before, the answer doesn't change) arenlor: RandalSchwartz: Did you do your normal stream in the new year and I just missed it? RandalSchwartz: arenlor - no, I bailed early
maybe next year anisfarhana: brycec: sorry for that sir.
brycec: 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 --> you are saying i can have custom 'ipv6' and usable via IRC?? brycec: yes anisfarhana: You must be kiddingggggg me brycec! brycec: RandalSchwartz: Am I kidding anisfarhana? arenlor: anisfarhana: You could connect every second with a new IPv6 address and never run out. mikeputnam: anisfarhana: i'm using ipv6 right now RandalSchwartz: number of known stars in the sky: 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 mikeputnam: freenode supports is brycec: trust me, I'm not kidding. RandalSchwartz: so maybe - you need a /48 for known stars. :) arenlor: RandalSchwartz: Well you can get a /48 on ARP RandalSchwartz: I keep wondering what anisfarhana is not grasping here
YOU GET A BIG PILE OF ADDRESSES.
BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAP brycec: AND YOU CAN USE THEM THEM ALL TO CONNECT TO OTHER IPV6 ADDRESSES arenlor: RandalSchwartz: Just her mind blown about it RandalSchwartz: indeed arenlor: RandalSchwartz: Imagine a decade ago being told that you'd have millions of IP address all to yourself. RandalSchwartz: sure
although it's not yet "everywhere on the internet"
a lot of places still not reachable via v6 arenlor: RandalSchwartz: I still wait for IPv6 to come to my house. brycec: I for one still think the /64 is WAY TOO FUCKING BIG to be handed out to individuals. RandalSchwartz: uh - you need /64 for a sgement
if you're using MAC to segment addr brycec: I certainly don't need an ipv6 address for every cell in my bdoy
RandalSchwartz: yeah yeah... I still don't think it's logical. arenlor: brycec: Just do the simple thing, give every connection a new IPv6 address. RandalSchwartz: well - it certainly makes (lack of) DHCP useful anisfarhana: I am going to sign up for small one, 10$ RandalSchwartz: 10$ server?
they still have those? brycec: We'll be in the same pickle a few years from now, migrating to 1,024bit addresses
RandalSchwartz: yep RandalSchwartz: oh - the "small" arenlor: anisfarhana: Honestly, go for the USD20 one. anisfarhana: Putting debian on it will be awesome! RandalSchwartz: you should just get ... yeah, what he said brycec: or at least the $15 anisfarhana: arenlor: USD 20 just for IRC? Isn't worth it sir. RandalSchwartz: the $20 is more than double the $10 brycec: $10 is pretty damn small... you have to know what you're doing and be careful. arenlor: anisfarhana: More memory. brycec: you'll chew through RAM very quickly RandalSchwartz: yeah, small memory = small memory. :) brycec: How profound RandalSchwartz anisfarhana: 15$ monthly ummm... arenlor: I pay for extra memory one on of my VPS and I'm going to do so soon for the other. anisfarhana: Any contract with arp? Or i can cancel anytime? brycec: anytime RandalSchwartz: it's month-by-moth arenlor: anisfarhana: No contract. RandalSchwartz: month too
damn moth arenlor: I've been happy with them for years, don't know how long. RandalSchwartz: just remember to give them a couple days to cancel your account
3 years for me, 5 boxes right now arenlor: Ah then 3 years for me too RandalSchwartz: in fact, one of them is now a real machine anisfarhana: Do you guys demand for money if i wanna learn ipv6 on my arp? arenlor: RandalSchwartz is the one who recruited me RandalSchwartz: up_the_irons made maayan a real box recently arenlor: anisfarhana: I don't understand the question. RandalSchwartz: anisfarhana - as I said before, if you share what I tell you with others, no money
dunno how many times I have to say that arenlor: I think I've had 20 minutes of down time total. RandalSchwartz: I've had a few hours, but only when I had noisy neighbors anisfarhana: arenlor: I am asking brycec , RandalSchwartz or you, do you want money in return, if i want to learn ipv6 via my arp box? Because many people here said "Not going to do that for free" arenlor: anisfarhana: I believe in the free software culture anisfarhana: RandalSchwartz: Define if i share with others. RandalSchwartz: are you willing to help others here with what I tell you? arenlor: anisfarhana: Ever hear of FLOSS Weekly? Good podcast that shares knowledge with others. That's sharing. anisfarhana: RandalSchwartz: Of course! If only i can help them. -: RandalSchwartz grins anisfarhana: It is opensource, free and open :) RandalSchwartz: anisfarhana - I'm the host of FLOSS Weekly (twit.tv/floss)
host/show-runner :) arenlor: Well at least it shares when the damned guests are responsive, there's been what like 3-4 in the past few months? RandalSchwartz: we've been plugging along
... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showrunner arenlor: RandalSchwartz: Any chance of doing a "personal history" show, talking about how you got involved, maybe get a few guests on like Linus? anisfarhana: RandalSchwartz: You are very very geek sir! -: anisfarhana hails RandalSchwartz RandalSchwartz: anisfarhana - I was geek before geek was cool anisfarhana: RandalSchwartz: I am just quite familiar with debian , is that ok for me to learn ipv6 with custom host on it? RandalSchwartz: I'm not a linux user. dunno. arenlor: anisfarhana: I use IPv6 and Debian RandalSchwartz: I use freebsd anisfarhana: arenlor: Yes i love deb arenlor: anisfarhana: Do you plan on using Linux on a desktop/laptop as your main computer ever? anisfarhana: RandalSchwartz: The configuration will be the same or slightly different? arenlor: anisfarhana: Highly different. RandalSchwartz: yes arenlor: Debian is special. anisfarhana: arenlor: I use fc1 till fc6 as my desktop before , then switch back to windows , and use linux only for servers at my office (no gui anymore) , and right now i am using OSX Lion arenlor: anisfarhana: Then just grab Freebsd and learn with that. anisfarhana: Why switch back to Windows? I am games freak. arenlor: It's better as a server.
anisfarhana: I'm on Doze 8 right now.
I duel boot. RandalSchwartz: dual? arenlor: Nope, duel. RandalSchwartz: or against each other? anisfarhana: Win8 + putty or vm = cool arenlor: Windows likes to override the MBR a lot. anisfarhana: Not going to use Linux as primary desktop anymore. arenlor: anisfarhana: Then definitely just grab FreeBSD and go with it. mikeputnam: s/Linux/Windows/ anisfarhana: arenlor: I am 0% with freebsd. arenlor: mikeputnam: you forgot /gi
anisfarhana: I know someone who loves FreeBSD and may help you. anisfarhana: arenlor: If i use Freebsd, and asking RandalSchwartz 'stupid' questions, the possibility RandalSchwartz blacklisted me is there!
At least in debian, i know where the network script is located ^^ arenlor: afk ***: sharvey has joined #arpnetworks
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thinking of doing an upgrade by purchasing a new vm, then ditching my old one when i'm ready - current one is too out of date :( up_the_irons: hey barryk barryk: don't see how to order without entering all my info again.. up_the_irons: barryk: you can send a ticket to support@arpnetworks.com
barryk: do you have an available IP within your current IP block? barryk: no, i just have the one
ipv4 that is up_the_irons: barryk: you would have to buy a /29 (5 IP block) if you want both VMs active at the same time with a different public IP (or just upgrade using IPv6 ;) barryk: ipv6 works
you're saying that so the traffic stays 'local' right up_the_irons: barryk: yeah it will stay local, just wasn't sure if you needed a public IPv4 assigned to it barryk: I will - when it's ready to take over.. don't care if it changes or stays the same up_the_irons: ok cool barryk: thx for the help, great service btw, never had a better provider ***: arenlor has joined #arpnetworks arenlor: up_the_irons: You around? ***: cullum has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) qbit: hai guys! <3
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