#arpnetworks 2013-01-03,Thu

tooth

tooth is alive

RandalSchwartz

far more dead people than alive people

anisfarhana

Umm..i am considering to test $10 vps from arpnetwork, how fast the activation is?

RandalSchwartz

generally a day or two
everything is generally a day or two :)

anisfarhana

Is there a way to make it more faster?

RandalSchwartz

no
this is not a place with 24/7 tech support
but for that you get cheaper machines
there's catatastrophe support, but not request support

anisfarhana

Uh oh.

RandalSchwartz

well - go ahead and pay more somewhere else then

anisfarhana

I need to google what is catataprope is.

RandalSchwartz

as in, if the hardware fails, the appropriate people take action immediately
but if you want something different in your config, you have to wait 24-48 hours

anisfarhana

Horrible event?
I am interested on ipv6

RandalSchwartz

it's a pretty good mix, and has worked well for me
I have five VPS here
for three years now
yeah ipv6 is great here

anisfarhana

Umm.
Maybe you can help me with something here.

[12:31]

brycec

maybe, maybe not.

[12:31]

anisfarhana

http://goo.gl/ztVsx , possible?

brycec

connecting to IRC over IPv6?

anisfarhana

Yup

brycec

yes, many of us are connected that way

RandalSchwartz

I'm doing that RIGHT NOW

brycec

^
brycec is too

anisfarhana

^^
Using the arp's box?

RandalSchwartz

see /whois RandalSchwartz
yes

brycec

RandalSchwartz

... 2607:f2f8:3080::

anisfarhana

You guys are funny.

brycec

No we are not.

anisfarhana

* [RandalSchwartz] (~merlyn@p3m/member/merlyn): Randal L. Schwartz

RandalSchwartz

and yes, I use my ::0 address for my box :)

anisfarhana

RandalSchwartz

why not, I have millions of them. :)

brycec

easy to remember ;)

anisfarhana

I just don't get this part --> you can point your client at ipv6.dal.net

brycec

and quicker to type

anisfarhana

Point as in, like rdns for ipv4?

brycec

anisfarhana: as in, /connect ipv6.dal.net
(depending on the client's syntax)

RandalSchwartz

it's silly that people still have separate addresses for ipv6

anisfarhana

I can use portal or 'hack' the config script for that?

RandalSchwartz

now that we're firmly in the v6 world
I just connect to irc.freenode.net
and it does The Right Thing in the face of v6

anisfarhana

can i /connect to ipv6.dal.net by via bnc?

brycec

that's up to you to configure
we're not bnc support

anisfarhana

I know.
You guys are fierce and aggresive too :/

brycec

some of us are

RandalSchwartz

wait - where are you getting this from?

brycec

mike-burns is fuzzy and soft

RandalSchwartz

I'm mostly just soft.

anisfarhana

Getting what RandalSchwartz?

RandalSchwartz

I try not to be fuzzy
.. <anisfarhana> You guys are fierce and aggresive too :/

anisfarhana

Most of geeky people are like that in freenode.

RandalSchwartz

how do you believe I'm "fierce and aggresive[sic]"?

anisfarhana

Well i am not new in freenode tho

RandalSchwartz

I think you're prejudiced.
might want to dial that back a biut
bit

anisfarhana

brycec: Possible to configure it via portal?

[12:37]

brycec

I have no idea what you're asking, anisfarhana.

[12:37]

anisfarhana

brycec: about the /connect thing

brycec

What I can say is that "yes, you are free to connect to ipv6.dal.net"

RandalSchwartz

presuming you have an ipv6 configuration that works
each OS is different
I can tell you what I did for freebsd

brycec

and each IRC client is different

anisfarhana

Love you guys.
Will back in 5 minutes, going to configure bnc first :) Somebody just add me on the account and asked me to test it out.
* [anisX] (bsd@2607:f2f8:a304::2): farhana
* [anisX] halcyon.il.us.dal.net :valar dohaeris
It works?

[12:39]

RandalSchwartz

heh ::2

brycec

yes

anisfarhana

anisfarhana jumps around the channel!

RandalSchwartz

you have to be cool to get it to be ::0 :)

anisfarhana

RandalSchwartz, what do you mean by heh ::2 ?

RandalSchwartz

well - check mine
there's no ::2 there

brycec

(he was laughing at the address)

RandalSchwartz

yeah

anisfarhana

I can see * [RandalSchwartz] (~merlyn@p3m/member/merlyn): Randal L. Schwartz only.

RandalSchwartz

... -leguin.freenode.net- RandalSchwartz is connecting from *@red.stonehenge.com 2607:f2f8:3080::
notice. no ::2

anisfarhana

mike-burns is ::2 too!

brycec

brycec is ::3 I think

RandalSchwartz

red.stonehenge.com has IPv6 address 2607:f2f8:3080::
and that's how I roll

[12:44]

anisfarhana

It is special if 2607:f2f8:3080::randal
anisfarhana ducks

[12:44]

brycec

-.-

[12:44]

RandalSchwartz

well - if I wanted, I'd probably give it 2607:f2f8:3080::dead:beef:babe

brycec

or c0f:fee
(well, c0:ffee)

anisfarhana

Oh you can make something like that?

RandalSchwartz

sure - it's arbitrary

anisfarhana

Heeee
Hard to do like that?

RandalSchwartz

... ipv6_ifconfig_em0="2607:f2f8:3080::/64"

brycec

No, just set the IP

RandalSchwartz

I just change that to what I want
and reboot

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anisfarhana

What is your demand if i want to learn from you brycec / RandalSchwartz?
*To learn that

[12:48]

brycec

RandalSchwartz: (or run the appropriate ifconfig ;))
I DEMAND COOKIES :P

[12:48]

RandalSchwartz

I merely demand that you share it with others
so I'm not just consulting for you

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[12:53]

brycec

...
If only everybody had a perfect grasp of English

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staticsafe

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anisfarhana

Pfttttttt
anisfarhana calling for brycec / RandalSchwartz

[13:33]

RandalSchwartz

what?

[13:33]

anisfarhana

Sorry , disconnected from the network.
RandalSchwartz: Did you answer my question before? About the demand?

[13:34]

RandalSchwartz

what demand?
no - I guess not
Oh yes, I just said "only if you share it with others"
as in, I will not be your private consultant for free

[13:39]

anisfarhana

RandalSchwartz: 5 IPs (/29 subnet, $5) , applied to ipv6 too?

[13:40]

RandalSchwartz

I expect you to pass long what I say
for ipv6 you get a /48
ipv6 has big piles of addresses.
supercheap

[13:40]

brycec

anisfarhana: you receive a /64 from ARP, and you can request a /48 if you need more.

[13:40]

anisfarhana

48 , how many of them are usable?

RandalSchwartz

it's 48 bits out of 128

brycec

about a billion

RandalSchwartz

please do you own math. :)

anisfarhana

WOW

RandalSchwartz

yeah

anisfarhana

I thought its like ipv4!

RandalSchwartz

no - it's a whole new game

anisfarhana

a billion with the fancy hostname?

RandalSchwartz

I already have more ipv6 addresses than there are stars in the sky

Leftwee

billion? more than that
a lot more

brycec

2^64 *technically*

anisfarhana

brycec: by default, i got /64 from arp without requesting /48 ?
which is another 5 bucks for me?

RandalSchwartz

yeah /64 is sort of a minimum... if you have only one segment
if you also want to route, /48 makes more sense

brycec

Yes by default you get the minimum ipv6 block, which is /64.

RandalSchwartz

the /64 means that MAC addresses can map to ipv6 1-1

anisfarhana

That will be 15 bucks monthly.

RandalSchwartz

eh $15?

brycec

but you probably don't need more than 18,446,744,073,709,552,000 anyways

RandalSchwartz

whereis that?

anisfarhana

10 for small , and 5 for additional ip addresses

RandalSchwartz

I didn't think arp charged for /48

brycec

(and a /48 is 65,535 * 18,446,744,073,709,552,000)

RandalSchwartz

or the /74
or the /64

anisfarhana

They charged for /29

brycec

(aww I want a /74)

RandalSchwartz

right - whole different game

anisfarhana

....

Leftwee

v4 addresses are a lot harder to come by

RandalSchwartz

ipv6 is damn damn cheap

anisfarhana

I don't get you guys

RandalSchwartz

like zero cost to arp
ipv4 is VERY expensive now

brycec

I think you don't quiet get ipv6
*quite

RandalSchwartz

so please don't apply ipv4 numbers to ipv6

mikeputnam

i use 1 of my alotted 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 ipv6 addresses

anisfarhana

1 IP , how many ipv6 i will have in arp?
...

RandalSchwartz

anisfarhana - 2^64, or 2^96 if you ask for free

brycec

anisfarhana: You get 1 usable ipv4 IP, and 18,446,744,073,709,552,000 usable ipv6.

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RandalSchwartz

your choice

anisfarhana

You must be kidding brycec / RandalSchwartz!

RandalSchwartz

brycec

RandalSchwartz

dude.
read up on ipv6

anisfarhana

I am not a dude.

brycec

*dudette

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RandalSchwartz

there are billions and billions ov v6 addresse
unlike ipv4

anisfarhana

I just read about native ipv6

RandalSchwartz

v4 ran out. that's why we're on v6

anisfarhana

Yes i understand that.

mikeputnam

anisfarhana: read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6 then ask questions

anisfarhana

v4 ran out

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RandalSchwartz

ipv6 /64 is one network segment
ipv6 /48 is a small organization
2^12 subnets :)
arp has about a /36 or something
maybe even more
so it can hand out addresses freely

brycec

that should be a /32 RandalSchwartz ;)

[13:47]

RandalSchwartz

oh yeah, probably /32
so we all have the same first four bytse

[13:47]

anisfarhana

So by right, arp offer only 1 ipv4.
That 1 ipv4 , only 1 public ip address usable, am i right here?

[13:48]

brycec

Yes, "1 public _ipv4_ address"

[13:49]

anisfarhana

That is /32 ?
no
It is /30

[13:49]

RandalSchwartz

but because of ipv4, it's one usable
router, network, netmask, box
4 addresses eaten up for 1 usable

[13:49]

brycec

(technically, it's a /29 - network, gateway, your IP, broadcast address)

anisfarhana

So 1 usable ipv4 (which is /30) , how many ipv6 usable by default provided by arp?
(Its hard for me to asked you that)

arenlor

anisfarhana: Millions I believe

brycec

(doh, I meant /30)

anisfarhana

English is not my language. i mean native language.

RandalSchwartz

anisfarhana - for a /64, it's 2^64 - 1
for a /48, it's 2^96 - 1
with the -1 being "the router"

arenlor

You get a /64 by default and you can activate your /48.

RandalSchwartz

and you can even work that a bit harder and eliminate that -1 )
route over the link-local

brycec

anisfarhana: ARP provides you with 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 usable IPv6 addresses. (no joke, said this before, the answer doesn't change)

arenlor

RandalSchwartz: Did you do your normal stream in the new year and I just missed it?

[13:52]

RandalSchwartz

arenlor - no, I bailed early
maybe next year

[13:52]

anisfarhana

brycec: sorry for that sir.
brycec: 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 --> you are saying i can have custom 'ipv6' and usable via IRC??

[13:52]

brycec

yes

anisfarhana

You must be kiddingggggg me brycec!

brycec

RandalSchwartz: Am I kidding anisfarhana?

arenlor

anisfarhana: You could connect every second with a new IPv6 address and never run out.

mikeputnam

anisfarhana: i'm using ipv6 right now

RandalSchwartz

number of known stars in the sky: 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

mikeputnam

freenode supports is

brycec

trust me, I'm not kidding.

RandalSchwartz

so maybe - you need a /48 for known stars. :)

[13:54]

arenlor

RandalSchwartz: Well you can get a /48 on ARP

[13:54]

RandalSchwartz

I keep wondering what anisfarhana is not grasping here
YOU GET A BIG PILE OF ADDRESSES.
BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAP

[13:54]

brycec

AND YOU CAN USE THEM THEM ALL TO CONNECT TO OTHER IPV6 ADDRESSES

arenlor

RandalSchwartz: Just her mind blown about it

RandalSchwartz

indeed

arenlor

RandalSchwartz: Imagine a decade ago being told that you'd have millions of IP address all to yourself.

RandalSchwartz

sure
although it's not yet "everywhere on the internet"
a lot of places still not reachable via v6

arenlor

RandalSchwartz: I still wait for IPv6 to come to my house.

brycec

I for one still think the /64 is WAY TOO FUCKING BIG to be handed out to individuals.

RandalSchwartz

uh - you need /64 for a sgement
if you're using MAC to segment addr

brycec

I certainly don't need an ipv6 address for every cell in my bdoy
RandalSchwartz: yeah yeah... I still don't think it's logical.

arenlor

brycec: Just do the simple thing, give every connection a new IPv6 address.

RandalSchwartz

well - it certainly makes (lack of) DHCP useful

anisfarhana

I am going to sign up for small one, 10$

RandalSchwartz

10$ server?
they still have those?

brycec

We'll be in the same pickle a few years from now, migrating to 1,024bit addresses
RandalSchwartz: yep

RandalSchwartz

oh - the "small"

arenlor

anisfarhana: Honestly, go for the USD20 one.

anisfarhana

Putting debian on it will be awesome!

RandalSchwartz

you should just get ... yeah, what he said

brycec

or at least the $15

anisfarhana

arenlor: USD 20 just for IRC? Isn't worth it sir.

RandalSchwartz

the $20 is more than double the $10

brycec

$10 is pretty damn small... you have to know what you're doing and be careful.

arenlor

anisfarhana: More memory.

brycec

you'll chew through RAM very quickly

RandalSchwartz

yeah, small memory = small memory. :)

brycec

How profound RandalSchwartz

anisfarhana

15$ monthly ummm...

arenlor

I pay for extra memory one on of my VPS and I'm going to do so soon for the other.

anisfarhana

Any contract with arp? Or i can cancel anytime?

brycec

anytime

RandalSchwartz

it's month-by-moth

arenlor

anisfarhana: No contract.

RandalSchwartz

month too
damn moth

arenlor

I've been happy with them for years, don't know how long.

RandalSchwartz

just remember to give them a couple days to cancel your account
3 years for me, 5 boxes right now

arenlor

Ah then 3 years for me too

RandalSchwartz

in fact, one of them is now a real machine

anisfarhana

Do you guys demand for money if i wanna learn ipv6 on my arp?

arenlor

RandalSchwartz is the one who recruited me

RandalSchwartz

up_the_irons made maayan a real box recently

arenlor

anisfarhana: I don't understand the question.

RandalSchwartz

anisfarhana - as I said before, if you share what I tell you with others, no money
dunno how many times I have to say that

arenlor

I think I've had 20 minutes of down time total.

[14:01]

RandalSchwartz

I've had a few hours, but only when I had noisy neighbors

[14:01]

anisfarhana

arenlor: I am asking brycec , RandalSchwartz or you, do you want money in return, if i want to learn ipv6 via my arp box? Because many people here said "Not going to do that for free"

[14:01]

arenlor

anisfarhana: I believe in the free software culture

anisfarhana

RandalSchwartz: Define if i share with others.

RandalSchwartz

are you willing to help others here with what I tell you?

arenlor

anisfarhana: Ever hear of FLOSS Weekly? Good podcast that shares knowledge with others. That's sharing.

anisfarhana

RandalSchwartz: Of course! If only i can help them.

RandalSchwartz

RandalSchwartz grins

anisfarhana

It is opensource, free and open :)

... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showrunner

RandalSchwartz

anisfarhana - I'm the host of FLOSS Weekly (twit.tv/floss)
host/show-runner :)

[14:03]

arenlor

Well at least it shares when the damned guests are responsive, there's been what like 3-4 in the past few months?

[14:03]

RandalSchwartz

we've been plugging along

[14:03]

arenlor

RandalSchwartz: Any chance of doing a "personal history" show, talking about how you got involved, maybe get a few guests on like Linus?

[14:04]

anisfarhana

RandalSchwartz: You are very very geek sir!
anisfarhana hails RandalSchwartz

[14:04]

RandalSchwartz

anisfarhana - I was geek before geek was cool

[14:06]

anisfarhana

RandalSchwartz: I am just quite familiar with debian , is that ok for me to learn ipv6 with custom host on it?

[14:06]

RandalSchwartz

I'm not a linux user. dunno.

arenlor

anisfarhana: I use IPv6 and Debian

RandalSchwartz

I use freebsd

anisfarhana

arenlor: Yes i love deb

arenlor

anisfarhana: Do you plan on using Linux on a desktop/laptop as your main computer ever?

anisfarhana

RandalSchwartz: The configuration will be the same or slightly different?

arenlor

anisfarhana: Highly different.

RandalSchwartz

yes

arenlor

Debian is special.

anisfarhana

arenlor: I use fc1 till fc6 as my desktop before , then switch back to windows , and use linux only for servers at my office (no gui anymore) , and right now i am using OSX Lion

arenlor

anisfarhana: Then just grab Freebsd and learn with that.

anisfarhana

Why switch back to Windows? I am games freak.

arenlor

It's better as a server.
anisfarhana: I'm on Doze 8 right now.
I duel boot.

RandalSchwartz

dual?

arenlor

Nope, duel.

RandalSchwartz

or against each other?

anisfarhana

Win8 + putty or vm = cool

arenlor

Windows likes to override the MBR a lot.

anisfarhana

Not going to use Linux as primary desktop anymore.

arenlor

anisfarhana: Then definitely just grab FreeBSD and go with it.

mikeputnam

s/Linux/Windows/