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asr33 has left phlux: yeah '12 did go by fast
is it possible to see how long we've been customers? kraigu: credit card statements? ;) phlux: haha, yeah that's what i figured mike-burns: uptime? kraigu: well, actually, I dunno about you but I keep all emails I get that are of the nature "thank you for signing up for service x", I'm sure I've got up_the_irons' welcome in that folder somewhere
mike-burns: even accounting for post-kernel-patch reboots, the physical host for my VPS crashed a couple times, wouldn't work for me ;) staticsafe: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2012-December/001448.html kraigu: ah, nice
jdoe: ^ ZFS IMPROVEMENTS RandalSchwartz: I guess it's time to get off 8.3 :) phlux: looks like rxvt-9.16 is out staticsafe: <3 sudo insults
BOB says: You seem to have forgotten your passwd, enter another! kraigu: RandalSchwartz: isn't 8.3 supported for a while?
EoL's not til 2014... you can stick if you want to :D
huh, I'm still on 8.3 too. thought I'd upgraded to 9.0 at some point. RandalSchwartz: well - I was just waiting for 9.1. and now it's out. :) kraigu: ahh RandalSchwartz: I have a sometimes justified fear of x.0 releases L kraigu: yeah, I hear you. RandalSchwartz: yeah - april 30 2014 for 8.3 kraigu: I'll probably get around to it before then =] ***: rith has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
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asr33 has joined #arpnetworks asr33: Hello does Arp Networks have any data centers in Canada?
I would like to get a VPS for hosting an Asterisk server but I'm fearful of latency?œ staticsafe: asr33: nope only the one DC in LA asr33: do you think Arp Networks could ever expand into Canada? staticsafe: i do not
if you are looking for hosting in Canada, I would loove at OVH.ca :)
look* asr33: brilliant thanks for tip :-) staticsafe: np
asr33: you can use ping.ovh.ca to test your latency
its in Montreal
er Quebec
not Montreal >.> asr33: staticsafe: wishing you a very happy new year...and thank you for your help ***: asr33 has left
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dougbb has joined #arpnetworks dougbb: howdy ... anyone using freebsd, and more specifically ipv6 successfully? RandalSchwartz: yes and yes dougbb: Randal, hey :)
I have this in my rc.conf on 9 ... should work, but it isn't
ifconfig_em0_ipv6="inet6 2607:f2f8:ab14::2/64"
ipv6_defaultrouter="2607:f2f8:ab14::1" RandalSchwartz: still running 8.3 dougbb: ah RandalSchwartz: also, I'm doing v6 differently than up_the_irons has others do v6
because I'm weird dougbb: heh ... how are you doing it? RandalSchwartz: ipv6_enable=YES
... ipv6_defaultrouter=fe80::5054:ff:fe27:9007%em0
... ipv6_ifconfig_em0="2607:f2f8:3080::/64"
that's how I do it dougbb: yeah, I asked about the LLA for the router, was hoping that would help RandalSchwartz: because my default router is a link local dougbb: so your host address is *:0 ? RandalSchwartz: yes :)
simpler that way phlux: i have no idea what i'm doing, but it works (FreeBSD) dougbb: phlux, 8 or 9? phlux: 9 dougbb: do you mind pasting what's in your rc.conf related to ipv6? phlux: http://paste.ewnix.net/index.php?show=72 dougbb: also, they just set up my vps, so I'm not ruling out a provisioning problem ... what's strange is that I can ping my gateway from outside, just not from my host
yeah, same
phlux, thanks phlux: Aye dougbb: this is sounding more and more like a provisioning issue
I suppose I can try ipv6_enable to see if it makes a difference RandalSchwartz: yeah - without ipv6_enable, it's all for nought dougbb: Randal, that's true in 8, not true any more in 9 RandalSchwartz: oh dougbb: I wrote part of that code before I left the project :) RandalSchwartz: so v6 is enabled by default in 9? nice. dougbb: in fact ipv6_enable generates a warning at boot time, but it's harmless
well you have to have an ifconfig_IF_ipv6 line in rc.conf
I actually wrote the code to make SLAAC automatic if it's available, but I got shot down on that one
no difference ... still can't ping my gateway
I think it's a provisioning issue
what's the response time from support generally? I know it's a holiday weekend and all, but that's why I have time to work on this atm :) RandalSchwartz: typical reponse time is 24-48 hours
unless it's about a box on fire... then it's much shorter. dougbb: heh RandalSchwartz: yeah - ARP is not about quick customer service... but about fair pricing for great service.
I have five boxes hosted here. awesome service for that dougbb: yeah, I'm good with that ... once I get my networking in place I don't need a lot of hand holding :)
and the price is definitely attractive RandalSchwartz: also, this irc channel has a lot of support
since most of us have been here for a while dougbb: nice
I'm all about the IRC :) mercutio: i think historicallyi've found it's less than 24 hours
i imagine a few hours from now you'll get a response dougbb: excellent mercutio: i think it's every evening there's a run through of email dougbb: ... I'm just antsy to get going, and I don't want to put in a bunch of work if they have to reinstall :) mercutio: heh i first came in here cos i was wondering how long provisioning took i think ?
i forgot to leave :/
actually i think i did leave for a while dougbb: heh mercutio: hmm why did someone recommend ovh to asr33 for latency to canada? RandalSchwartz: yeah - it's basically "if you can wait until the end of the day, you'll be better off" mercutio: ovh has terrible routing staticsafe: mercutio: OVH have a DC in Quebec now, their v4 routing is fine
v6 yea its terrible mercutio: static: it's not fine for ipv4 staticsafe: it is mercutio: try google staticsafe: ... mercutio: it's like 80 msec to google
from canada
and some of their routing is kind of round about staticsafe: im in Toronto, i have a OVH Canadian server, 25ms to it mercutio: is toronto near wehre they host?
i have 8 msec ping to vps in same city as me on adsl staticsafe: no not really mercutio: ahh maybe it's not too bad for your provider then staticsafe: its in Quebec which is a different province mercutio: so about 1000km away? RandalSchwartz: quebec - they speak french! mercutio: canada is ages apart east to west -: mercutio says as a non canadian staticsafe: apparently 510km according to google maps mercutio: is that all?
you should have ~8 msec latency then
for the distance
and then your normal hext hop latency staticsafe: 1 sec mercutio: Quebec, Canada and Montreal, QC, Canada. staticsafe: er lemme paste that mercutio: maybe i need to be more speicif :)
oh hangon
wtf am i doing
it's montreal to toronto
isn't it staticsafe: Beauharnois, Québec, Canada
thats the city they are in mercutio: h i see 511k
but it's basically like montreal but cheaper?
it probably routes via new york though staticsafe: mercutio: http://pastie.org/pastes/5599606/text?key=exrkpolahsf47hu2o8e8a
nope
they peer at TOR-IX mercutio: so 18msec to travel 510km?
it's probably 570km or more
as it probably goes via montreal staticsafe: yes mtl is their montreal POP mercutio: anyway
that said
26 msec is fine for vip
voip
what's your ping like to 8.8.8.8 static? staticsafe: mercutio: ~34ms mercutio: staticsafe: from ovh? staticsafe: no from home
one sec
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 16.915/17.476/17.762/0.425 ms - from my ovh box dougbb: 8.8.8.8 is anycast, isn't it? mercutio: oh staticsafe: yep mercutio: its' got better
it was more like 80 or so msec before
hmm dougbb: mercutio: traceroute will be a better tool if you're using 8.8.8.8 as a reference, the 80 msec might have been an anomaly due to you being bounced to a different anycast node
better still to pick something that isn't anycasted staticsafe: ^ mercutio: well
it was more i had access to vps
and i was checking it out
and all the dns servers were slow from there
dns recursors
4.2.2.2 was the closest from memory
about 10 msec or so away staticsafe: i use bind locally for DNS
no forwarders dougbb: you realize that arp has their own resolvers, right? mercutio: doug: yeh i realise arp has their own resolvers
we were getting distracted and talking about ovh and canada
arp has good routing :) dougbb: the google servers are likely to provide, um ... creative answers depending on the question mercutio: doug: google dns is pretty good i've found
arp's cache is much smaller than google.s staticsafe: I forward to Google DNS at home via my dnsmasq instance
<3 dnsmasq mercutio: i use dnsmasq with --all-servers at home
and isp, and google :) staticsafe: i don't use my ISP's resolvers since they are a) unreliable b) hijack NXDOMAINs mercutio: eek
sounds fun staticsafe: ah --all-servers
I use strict-order to force it use Google DNS first
since I also have Level3 resolvers in the list and that can cause bad replies for stuff that uses CDNs mercutio: really? staticsafe: aye mercutio: i've found level 3 fine for cdns
level3 have too small caches though
but then i find 8.8.8.8 only fucks up akamai staticsafe: mercutio: i was getting directed to google servers with +100ms latency
instead of the local ones dougbb: opendns is slightly better in regards to cdn optimization staticsafe: they hijack NXDOMAIN by default though dougbb: *nod*
any public service like that has its quirks
it's a matter of finding ones you can live with :)
or running your own of course staticsafe: yea
if google public dns goes to shit, ill just fuck it and run bind or someting dougbb: probably won't run a local resolver on my vps, I got a very small one to try it out mercutio: static: wow.
i get the same google servers with 8.8.8.8 as with isp dns
doug: there's a standard for passing the source ip along staticsafe: :o
mercutio: probably my case was a fluke/anomaly but it was annoying mercutio: understand
here akamai sucks
often using more distant akamai servers can go faster
but they were routing akamai to hong kong dougbb: mercutio: it's just a draft, and it's got a lot of problems regarding privacy, etc. mercutio: (i'm in new zealand) staticsafe: also since my family uses a lot of youtube i need CDNs to work probably mercutio: which has similar latency to US ... but much less bandwidth staticsafe: ouch mercutio: i prefer anycast cdns anyway
but lots of people are against them
but like cdns that actually cache for lots of users go faster
it's the miss speed that is slow on close akamai servers staticsafe: My ISP has a local cache for youtube iirc mercutio: but misses are quite common dougbb: If you already have dnsmasq running locally, it's unlikely you'll get any real benefit from forwarding to google dns anyway mercutio: static: most do here too :)
doug: how so?
my average dns time is like 50 msec
where google really helps is on things with short ttls ages away
like undeadly.org staticsafe: dnsmasq allows me to do stuff like make a badhosts file and blackhole those hosts across the network (read malware domains) dougbb: because if you forward locally (to your ISP) and/or just let it resolve on its own, your local answers will be cached, and cdn-correct mercutio: when i do both at once then google results often get ignored dougbb: yes, dnsmasq is a good tool mercutio: yeh but everything uses pathetic low ttls now dougbb: it's the forwarding off-network that's almost certainly a bad idea :) staticsafe: i use low ttls for my irc networks round-robin but that is necessarily
necessary*
1800 or 300 TTLs mostly mercutio: google's got a 8.8.8.8 node near here
but the actual lookups are done from hong kong
it's like argh
i think it's hong kong dougbb: doesn't your ISP have a local resolver? staticsafe: dougbb: silly question but can dnsmasq behave like bind and not use any forwarders? mercutio: it's ~25 msec to 8.8.8.8 ~150 msec to where they do the lookup from
isp has local resolver, google has bigger cache
haha
;; Query time: 286 msec
;; Query time: 448 msec
first is isp, second is google dougbb: mercutio: I think you're dramatically overvaluing the benefit of "bigger cache," vs. the cost of having your cdn locality screwed mercutio: maybe undeadly.org isn't faster through google
doug: cdns usually don't hit google
cos it queries in parallel
things like cachefly are the fastest cdns
and use anycast :/ dougbb: staticsafe: sorry, I should have been more clear, I meant having a local resolver mercutio: static.ak.fbcdn.net is an akamai example staticsafe: dougbb: ah ok
oh yea facebook
my sister uses facebook a lot mercutio: it gives dual results of japan and hong kong with 8.8.8.8
oh weird, static.ak.fbcdn.net has returned to NZ
yeh, maybe id on't need to use google anymore
facebook got a lot slower for me recently
they made everything use https by default staticsafe: indeed mercutio: even when you have https disabled
it's /facebook/ i worry about having my data staticsafe: i don't have an account heh mercutio: more than someone in between dougbb: https is your friend :) mercutio: which cdn is download.skype.com?
oh it's akamai too
8.8.8.8 is even worse for that
stk airport code.. wonder where that is
it says colorado
but it's ages away staticsafe: whee need to reboot my raspberry pi for kernel update mercutio: # lookmeup 46.33.66.41
Rev 1: IE N/A N/A
ie? staticsafe: ireland mercutio: israel?
oh RandalSchwartz: I use 8.8.4.4 mercutio: yes that's ages away staticsafe: o dnsmasq update mercutio: i wnat push dns really
static: what's new in it? staticsafe: mercutio: http://www.thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/CHANGELOG version 2.65 mercutio: Fix nasty regression in 2.64 which completely broke cacheing.
haha
i'm using 2.63
oh, except on ubuntu which is 2.65 already dougbb: dodged a bullet there mercutio: seems that way
i should try namebench again staticsafe: oh wtf
my raspberry pi's FS is erroring out
and root is mounted read only...
fml, seems like i need a new sd card mercutio: compact flash doesn't move frequently written areas aronud i think
so isn't good for conventional file systems dougbb: TRIM should help that mercutio: they don't support trim? dougbb: don't know much about Pis though, looks interesting, but I don't have time for another project atm mercutio: i want to try the new arm cpus sometime
the server type ones
arm a15? staticsafe: gah there goes my dnsmasq box mercutio: http://postimage.org/image/svhw8a2qr/full/
my dns does end up being a lot faster than the others :) staticsafe: i need a proper server box at home
any suggestions for builds on a budget? :) mercutio: only 10% hit rate though
static: get asrock motherboard and do video passthrough dougbb: staticsafe: I have had very good luck with dell refurbished mercutio: and virtualisation
merge desktop and server?
if you're cheap you can get amd apu thingys cheap
assuming your psu/case is fine
but the dell sff as dougbb said is good for small size
as long as you don't want lots of hard-disks
i suppose there is non sff too
oh there are also those boxes on ebay staticsafe: naw i don't need a lot of HDDs
just something i can run debian on :) RandalSchwartz: debian. not real unix. dougbb: d'oh staticsafe: indeed thats what the GNU stands for ;) RandalSchwartz: indeed mercutio: what about: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-1950-III-Gen-3-2x-Xeon-2-66GHz-Dual-Core-4GB-SAS-6i-R-1U-Server-/370716717189?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D4532161973723377762%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D121037019535%26
oh god that link is long RandalSchwartz: that's a long... link. dougbb: heh mercutio: http://tinyurl.com/awpofh8 RandalSchwartz: if only there were services that... could shorten links. staticsafe: ooh nice mercutio: well i didn't realise it would be so long! RandalSchwartz: that's what she said dougbb: I was going to make that joke, but wasn't sure about channel etiquitte :) RandalSchwartz: here? are you kidding? mercutio: there may be better ones around
was just giving ideas out pretty much
http://tinyurl.com/a5qze9h
length of 288 characters :) staticsafe: 2U is rather big
i don't have a rack in my apartment :) mercutio: heh
put in basement/ceiling? dougbb: staticsafe: you don't? mercutio: i use i7-3770 at home for my server staticsafe: i don't indeed mercutio: with asrock motherboard
which has onboard broadcom ethernet
then have intel ethernet card pci-e in it too staticsafe: server doesn't have to be a beast, small form-factor is nice too mercutio: it's nice andquiet staticsafe: mercutio: how big is your case? mercutio: microatx staticsafe: ooh mercutio: i think staticsafe: mind linking me to your parts if you can? mercutio: i'm in nz
uhh staticsafe: or just part names :) mercutio: i already had the case
dcc sending you what i got
oh what
it's atx
asrock do vt-d
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1673418
my case looks like microatx case though
it's shorter than width of keyboard
oh that's mid-atx
i think?
it's a slightly smaller case than fractal design, which make nice cases :)
http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=product&prod=99
you should get a case like that :)
they have sound absorbtion staticsafe: bleh using my router as the dnsmasq instance mercutio: openwrt? staticsafe: nah ddwrt, this router doesn't support openwrt mercutio: same diff :) ***: HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks staticsafe: gah i hate my terrible internet caps :( ***: dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks
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Webhostbudd has joined #arpnetworks reardencode: mmm, 9.1-RELEASE mercutio: have they done a full code audit?
9.1 actually sounded intersting brycec: They announced its -RELEASE today, so I believe it went through code audit
as part of their standard release process -: brycec is now running 9.1-RELEASE on his nas Webhostbudd: 9.1-RELEASE has been out
but the announce was today
been running pretty well on my boxes
recompiling on arp is super slow though =( reardencode: why recompile? Webhostbudd: because of my custom world / kernel milki: fun
9.1-release has been silently available
the security announce said it wasnt affected by the breach mercutio: oh