:|
yeah '12 did go by fast
is it possible to see how long we've been customers?
credit card statements? ;)
haha, yeah that's what i figured
uptime?
well, actually, I dunno about you but I keep all emails I get that are of the nature "thank you for signing up for service x", I'm sure I've got up_the_irons' welcome in that folder somewhere
mike-burns: even accounting for post-kernel-patch reboots, the physical host for my VPS crashed a couple times, wouldn't work for me ;)
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2012-December/001448.html
ah, nice
jdoe: ^ ZFS IMPROVEMENTS
I guess it's time to get off 8.3 :)
looks like rxvt-9.16 is out
<3 sudo insults
BOB says:  You seem to have forgotten your passwd, enter another!
RandalSchwartz: isn't 8.3 supported for a while?
EoL's not til 2014... you can stick if you want to :D
huh, I'm still on 8.3 too. thought I'd upgraded to 9.0 at some point.
well - I was just waiting for 9.1.  and now it's out. :)
ahh
I have a sometimes justified fear of x.0 releases L
yeah, I hear you.
yeah - april 30 2014 for 8.3
I'll probably get around to it before then =]
Hello does Arp Networks have any data centers in Canada?
I would like to get a VPS for hosting an Asterisk server but I'm fearful of latency?œ
asr33: nope only the one DC in LA
do you think Arp Networks could ever expand into Canada?
i do not
if you are looking for hosting in Canada, I would loove at OVH.ca :)
look*
brilliant thanks for tip :-)
np
asr33: you can use ping.ovh.ca to test your latency
its in Montreal
er Quebec
not Montreal >.>
staticsafe: wishing you a very happy new year...and thank you for your help
:)
howdy ... anyone using freebsd, and more specifically ipv6 successfully?
yes and yes
Randal, hey :)
I have this in my rc.conf on 9 ... should work, but it isn't
ifconfig_em0_ipv6="inet6 2607:f2f8:ab14::2/64"
ipv6_defaultrouter="2607:f2f8:ab14::1"
still running 8.3
ah
also, I'm doing v6 differently than up_the_irons has others do v6
because I'm weird
heh ... how are you doing it?
ipv6_enable=YES
... ipv6_defaultrouter=fe80::5054:ff:fe27:9007%em0
... ipv6_ifconfig_em0="2607:f2f8:3080::/64"
that's how I do it
yeah, I asked about the LLA for the router, was hoping that would help
because my default router is a link local
so your host address is *:0 ?
yes :)
simpler that way
i have no idea what i'm doing, but it works (FreeBSD)
phlux, 8 or 9?
9
do you mind pasting what's in your rc.conf related to ipv6?
http://paste.ewnix.net/index.php?show=72
also, they just set up my vps, so I'm not ruling out a provisioning problem ... what's strange is that I can ping my gateway from outside, just not from my host
yeah, same
phlux, thanks
Aye
this is sounding more and more like a provisioning issue
I suppose I can try ipv6_enable to see if it makes a difference
yeah - without ipv6_enable, it's all for nought
Randal, that's true in 8, not true any more in 9
oh
I wrote part of that code before I left the project :)
so v6 is enabled by default in 9?  nice.
in fact ipv6_enable generates a warning at boot time, but it's harmless
well you have to have an ifconfig_IF_ipv6 line in rc.conf
I actually wrote the code to make SLAAC automatic if it's available, but I got shot down on that one
no difference ... still can't ping my gateway
I think it's a provisioning issue
what's the response time from support generally? I know it's a holiday weekend and all, but that's why I have time to work on this atm :)
typical reponse time is 24-48 hours
unless it's about a box on fire... then it's much shorter.
heh
yeah - ARP is not about quick customer service... but about fair pricing for great service.
I have five boxes hosted here.  awesome service for that
yeah, I'm good with that ... once I get my networking in place I don't need a lot of hand holding :)
and the price is definitely attractive
also, this irc channel has a lot of support
since most of us have been here for a while
nice
I'm all about the IRC :)
i think historicallyi've found it's less than 24 hours
i imagine a few hours from now you'll get a response
excellent
i think it's every evening there's a run through of email
... I'm just antsy to get going, and I don't want to put in a bunch of work if they have to reinstall :)
heh i first came in here cos i was wondering how long provisioning took i think ?
i forgot to leave :/
actually i think i did leave for a while
heh
hmm why did someone recommend ovh to asr33 for latency to canada?
yeah - it's basically "if you can wait until the end of the day, you'll be better off"
ovh has terrible routing
mercutio: OVH have a DC in Quebec now, their v4 routing is fine
v6 yea its terrible
static: it's not fine for ipv4
it is
try google
...
it's like 80 msec to google
from canada
and some of their routing is kind of round about
im in Toronto, i have a OVH Canadian server, 25ms to it
is toronto near wehre they host?
i have 8 msec ping to vps in same city as me on adsl
no not really
ahh maybe it's not too bad for your provider then
its in Quebec which is a different province
so about 1000km away?
quebec - they speak french!
canada is ages apart east to west
apparently 510km according to google maps
is that all?
you should have ~8 msec latency then
for the distance
and then your normal hext hop latency
1 sec
Quebec, Canada and Montreal, QC, Canada.
er lemme paste that
maybe i need to be more speicif :)
oh hangon
wtf am i doing
it's montreal to toronto
isn't it
Beauharnois, Québec, Canada
thats the city they are in
h i see 511k
but it's basically like montreal but cheaper?
it probably routes via new york though
mercutio: http://pastie.org/pastes/5599606/text?key=exrkpolahsf47hu2o8e8a
nope
they peer at TOR-IX
so 18msec to travel 510km?
it's probably 570km or more
as it probably goes via montreal
yes mtl is their montreal POP
anyway
that said
26 msec is fine for vip
voip
what's your ping like to 8.8.8.8 static?
mercutio: ~34ms
staticsafe: from ovh?
no from home
one sec
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 16.915/17.476/17.762/0.425 ms - from my ovh box
8.8.8.8 is anycast, isn't it?
oh
yep
its' got better
it was more like 80 or so msec before
hmm
mercutio: traceroute will be a better tool if you're using 8.8.8.8 as a reference, the 80 msec might have been an anomaly due to you being bounced to a different anycast node
better still to pick something that isn't anycasted
^
well
it was more i had access to vps
and i was checking it out
and all the dns servers were slow from there
dns recursors
4.2.2.2 was the closest from memory
about 10 msec or so away
i use bind locally for DNS
no forwarders
you realize that arp has their own resolvers, right?
doug: yeh i realise arp has their own resolvers
we were getting distracted and talking about ovh and canada
arp has good routing :)
the google servers are likely to provide, um ... creative answers depending on the question
doug: google dns is pretty good i've found
arp's cache is much smaller than google.s
I forward to Google DNS at home via my dnsmasq instance
<3 dnsmasq
i use dnsmasq with --all-servers at home
and isp, and google :)
i don't use my ISP's resolvers since they are a) unreliable b) hijack NXDOMAINs
eek
sounds fun
ah --all-servers
I use strict-order to force it use Google DNS first
since I also have Level3 resolvers in the list and that can cause bad replies for stuff that uses CDNs
really?
aye
i've found level 3 fine for cdns
level3 have too small caches though
but then i find 8.8.8.8 only fucks up akamai
mercutio: i was getting directed to google servers with +100ms latency
instead of the local ones
opendns is slightly better in regards to cdn optimization
they hijack NXDOMAIN by default though
*nod*
any public service like that has its quirks
it's a matter of finding ones you can live with :)
or running your own of course
yea
if google public dns goes to shit, ill just fuck it and run bind or someting
probably won't run a local resolver on my vps, I got a very small one to try it out
static: wow.
i get the same google servers with 8.8.8.8 as with isp dns
doug: there's a standard for passing the source ip along
:o
mercutio: probably my case was a fluke/anomaly but it was annoying
understand
here akamai sucks
often using more distant akamai servers can go faster
but they were routing akamai to hong kong
mercutio: it's just a draft, and it's got a lot of problems regarding privacy, etc.
(i'm in new zealand)
also since my family uses a lot of youtube i need CDNs to work probably
which has similar latency to US ... but much less bandwidth
ouch
i prefer anycast cdns anyway
but lots of people are against them
but like cdns that actually cache for lots of users go faster
it's the miss speed that is slow on close akamai servers
My ISP has a local cache for youtube iirc
but misses are quite common
If you already have dnsmasq running locally, it's unlikely you'll get any real benefit from forwarding to google dns anyway
static: most do here too :)
doug: how so?
my average dns time is like 50 msec
where google really helps is on things with short ttls ages away
like undeadly.org
dnsmasq allows me to do stuff like make a badhosts file and blackhole those hosts across the network (read malware domains)
because if you forward locally (to your ISP) and/or just let it resolve on its own, your local answers will be cached, and cdn-correct
when i do both at once then google results often get ignored
yes, dnsmasq is a good tool
yeh but everything uses pathetic low ttls now
it's the forwarding off-network that's almost certainly a bad idea :)
i use low ttls for my irc networks round-robin but that is necessarily
necessary*
1800 or 300 TTLs mostly
google's got a 8.8.8.8 node near here
but the actual lookups are done from hong kong
it's like argh
i think it's hong kong
doesn't your ISP have a local resolver?
dougbb: silly question but can dnsmasq behave like bind and not use any forwarders?
it's ~25 msec to 8.8.8.8 ~150 msec to where they do the lookup from
isp has local resolver, google has bigger cache
haha
;; Query time: 286 msec
;; Query time: 448 msec
first is isp, second is google
mercutio: I think you're dramatically overvaluing the benefit of "bigger cache," vs. the cost of having your cdn locality screwed
maybe undeadly.org isn't faster through google
doug: cdns usually don't hit google
cos it queries in parallel
things like cachefly are the fastest cdns
and use anycast :/
staticsafe: sorry, I should have been more clear, I meant having a local resolver
static.ak.fbcdn.net is an akamai example
dougbb: ah ok
oh yea facebook
my sister uses facebook a lot
it gives dual results of japan and hong kong with 8.8.8.8
oh weird, static.ak.fbcdn.net has returned to NZ
yeh, maybe id on't need to use google anymore
facebook got a lot slower for me recently
they made everything use https by default
indeed
even when you have https disabled
it's /facebook/ i worry about having my data
i don't have an account heh
more than someone in between
https is your friend :)
which cdn is download.skype.com?
oh it's akamai too
8.8.8.8 is even worse for that
stk airport code.. wonder where that is
it says colorado
but it's ages away
whee need to reboot my raspberry pi for kernel update
 # lookmeup 46.33.66.41
 Rev 1: IE  N/A  N/A
ie?
ireland
israel?
oh
I use 8.8.4.4
yes that's ages away
o dnsmasq update
i wnat push dns really
static: what's new in it?
mercutio: http://www.thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/CHANGELOG version 2.65
    Fix nasty regression in 2.64 which completely broke cacheing.
haha
i'm using 2.63
oh, except on ubuntu which is 2.65 already
dodged a bullet there
seems that way
i should try namebench again
oh wtf
my raspberry pi's FS is erroring out
and root is mounted read only...
fml, seems like i need a new sd card
compact flash doesn't move frequently written areas aronud i think
so isn't good for conventional file systems
TRIM should help that
they don't support trim?
don't know much about Pis though, looks interesting, but I don't have time for another project atm
i want to try the new arm cpus sometime
the server type ones
arm a15?
gah there goes my dnsmasq box
http://postimage.org/image/svhw8a2qr/full/
my dns does end up being a lot faster than the others :)
i need a proper server box at home
any suggestions for builds on a budget? :)
only 10% hit rate though
static: get asrock motherboard and do video passthrough
staticsafe: I have had very good luck with dell refurbished
and virtualisation
merge desktop and server?
if you're cheap you can get amd apu thingys cheap
assuming your psu/case is fine
but the dell sff as dougbb said is good for small size
as long as you don't want lots of  hard-disks
i suppose there is non sff too
oh there are also those boxes on ebay
naw i don't need a lot of HDDs
just something i can run debian on  :)
debian.  not real unix.
d'oh
indeed thats what the GNU stands for ;)
indeed
what about: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-1950-III-Gen-3-2x-Xeon-2-66GHz-Dual-Core-4GB-SAS-6i-R-1U-Server-/370716717189?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D4532161973723377762%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D121037019535%26
oh god that link is long
that's a long... link.
heh
http://tinyurl.com/awpofh8
if only there were services that... could shorten links.
ooh nice
well i didn't realise it would be so long!
that's what she said
I was going to make that joke, but wasn't sure about channel etiquitte :)
here?  are you kidding?
there may be better ones around
was just giving ideas out pretty much
http://tinyurl.com/a5qze9h
length of 288 characters :)
2U is rather big
i don't have a rack in my apartment :)
heh
put in basement/ceiling?
staticsafe: you don't?
i use i7-3770 at home for my server
i don't indeed
with asrock motherboard
which has onboard broadcom ethernet
then have intel ethernet card pci-e in it too
server doesn't have to be a beast, small form-factor is nice too
it's nice andquiet
mercutio: how big is your case?
microatx
ooh
i think
mind linking me to your parts if you can?
i'm in nz
uhh
or just part names :)
i already had the case
dcc sending you what i got
oh what
it's atx
asrock do vt-d
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1673418
my case looks like microatx case though
it's shorter than width of keyboard
oh that's mid-atx
i think?
it's a slightly smaller case than fractal design, which make nice cases :)
http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=product&prod=99
you should get a case like that :)
they have sound absorbtion
bleh using my router as the dnsmasq instance
openwrt?
nah ddwrt, this router doesn't support openwrt
same diff :)
gah i hate my terrible internet caps :(
mmm, 9.1-RELEASE
have they done a full code audit?
9.1 actually sounded intersting
They announced its -RELEASE today, so I believe it went through code audit
as part of their standard release process
9.1-RELEASE has been out
but the announce was today
been running pretty well on my boxes
recompiling on arp is super slow though =(
why recompile?
because of my custom world / kernel
fun
9.1-release has been silently available
the security announce said it wasnt affected by the breach
oh