[00:28] *** Webhostbudd has joined #arpnetworks [00:42] *** [FBI] starts logging #arpnetworks at Sun Dec 30 00:42:21 2012 [00:42] *** [FBI] has joined #arpnetworks [01:22] *** rith has joined #arpnetworks [02:11] *** Webhostbudd has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [02:25] * up_the_irons dusts off [FBI] [03:17] :| [05:20] *** asr33 has joined #arpnetworks [05:22] *** asr33 has left [09:03] yeah '12 did go by fast [09:05] is it possible to see how long we've been customers? [09:05] credit card statements? ;) [09:05] haha, yeah that's what i figured [09:06] uptime? [09:06] well, actually, I dunno about you but I keep all emails I get that are of the nature "thank you for signing up for service x", I'm sure I've got up_the_irons' welcome in that folder somewhere [09:07] mike-burns: even accounting for post-kernel-patch reboots, the physical host for my VPS crashed a couple times, wouldn't work for me ;) [09:41] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2012-December/001448.html [09:42] ah, nice [09:42] jdoe: ^ ZFS IMPROVEMENTS [09:42] I guess it's time to get off 8.3 :) [09:43] looks like rxvt-9.16 is out [09:44] <3 sudo insults [09:44] BOB says: You seem to have forgotten your passwd, enter another! [09:44] RandalSchwartz: isn't 8.3 supported for a while? [09:45] EoL's not til 2014... you can stick if you want to :D [09:47] huh, I'm still on 8.3 too. thought I'd upgraded to 9.0 at some point. [09:54] well - I was just waiting for 9.1. and now it's out. :) [09:55] ahh [09:56] I have a sometimes justified fear of x.0 releases L [09:56] yeah, I hear you. [10:02] yeah - april 30 2014 for 8.3 [10:02] I'll probably get around to it before then =] [10:06] *** rith has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [10:06] *** rith has joined #arpnetworks [11:34] *** Mexicainvexed has joined #arpnetworks [11:35] *** dzup has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [11:36] *** raouldlv has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [12:19] *** rith has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [12:19] *** kraigu has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [12:19] *** teneightypea has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [12:19] *** mhoran has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [12:19] *** CaZe has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [12:19] *** pjs has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [12:19] *** CaZe has joined #arpnetworks [12:19] *** kraigu has joined #arpnetworks [12:20] *** pjs has joined #arpnetworks [12:20] *** teneightypea has joined #arpnetworks [12:20] *** pjs is now known as Guest41987 [12:25] *** mhoran has joined #arpnetworks [12:25] *** rith has joined #arpnetworks [12:30] *** raouldlv has joined #arpnetworks [12:45] *** asr33 has joined #arpnetworks [12:47] Hello does Arp Networks have any data centers in Canada? [12:49] I would like to get a VPS for hosting an Asterisk server but I'm fearful of latency?œ [12:49] asr33: nope only the one DC in LA [12:50] do you think Arp Networks could ever expand into Canada? [12:50] i do not [12:51] if you are looking for hosting in Canada, I would loove at OVH.ca :) [12:51] look* [12:51] brilliant thanks for tip :-) [12:52] np [12:52] asr33: you can use ping.ovh.ca to test your latency [12:52] its in Montreal [12:52] er Quebec [12:52] not Montreal >.> [12:59] staticsafe: wishing you a very happy new year...and thank you for your help [12:59] *** asr33 has left [13:00] *** [Derek] has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [13:02] :) [13:06] *** HighJinx has quit IRC () [13:20] *** [Derek] has joined #arpnetworks [14:42] *** dougbb has joined #arpnetworks [14:43] howdy ... anyone using freebsd, and more specifically ipv6 successfully? [14:43] yes and yes [14:43] Randal, hey :) [14:44] I have this in my rc.conf on 9 ... should work, but it isn't [14:44] ifconfig_em0_ipv6="inet6 2607:f2f8:ab14::2/64" [14:44] ipv6_defaultrouter="2607:f2f8:ab14::1" [14:44] still running 8.3 [14:44] ah [14:45] also, I'm doing v6 differently than up_the_irons has others do v6 [14:45] because I'm weird [14:45] heh ... how are you doing it? [14:45] ipv6_enable=YES [14:45] ... ipv6_defaultrouter=fe80::5054:ff:fe27:9007%em0 [14:45] ... ipv6_ifconfig_em0="2607:f2f8:3080::/64" [14:46] that's how I do it [14:46] yeah, I asked about the LLA for the router, was hoping that would help [14:46] because my default router is a link local [14:47] so your host address is *:0 ? [14:47] yes :) [14:47] simpler that way [14:47] i have no idea what i'm doing, but it works (FreeBSD) [14:47] phlux, 8 or 9? [14:48] 9 [14:48] do you mind pasting what's in your rc.conf related to ipv6? [14:49] http://paste.ewnix.net/index.php?show=72 [14:49] also, they just set up my vps, so I'm not ruling out a provisioning problem ... what's strange is that I can ping my gateway from outside, just not from my host [14:50] yeah, same [14:50] phlux, thanks [14:50] Aye [14:50] this is sounding more and more like a provisioning issue [14:51] I suppose I can try ipv6_enable to see if it makes a difference [14:51] yeah - without ipv6_enable, it's all for nought [14:52] Randal, that's true in 8, not true any more in 9 [14:52] oh [14:52] I wrote part of that code before I left the project :) [14:53] so v6 is enabled by default in 9? nice. [14:53] in fact ipv6_enable generates a warning at boot time, but it's harmless [14:53] well you have to have an ifconfig_IF_ipv6 line in rc.conf [14:53] I actually wrote the code to make SLAAC automatic if it's available, but I got shot down on that one [14:57] no difference ... still can't ping my gateway [14:57] I think it's a provisioning issue [14:57] what's the response time from support generally? I know it's a holiday weekend and all, but that's why I have time to work on this atm :) [14:58] typical reponse time is 24-48 hours [14:58] unless it's about a box on fire... then it's much shorter. [14:59] heh [14:59] yeah - ARP is not about quick customer service... but about fair pricing for great service. [15:00] I have five boxes hosted here. awesome service for that [15:01] yeah, I'm good with that ... once I get my networking in place I don't need a lot of hand holding :) [15:02] and the price is definitely attractive [15:02] also, this irc channel has a lot of support [15:03] since most of us have been here for a while [15:03] nice [15:04] I'm all about the IRC :) [15:10] i think historicallyi've found it's less than 24 hours [15:11] i imagine a few hours from now you'll get a response [15:11] excellent [15:11] i think it's every evening there's a run through of email [15:11] ... I'm just antsy to get going, and I don't want to put in a bunch of work if they have to reinstall :) [15:12] heh i first came in here cos i was wondering how long provisioning took i think ? [15:12] i forgot to leave :/ [15:12] actually i think i did leave for a while [15:12] heh [15:13] hmm why did someone recommend ovh to asr33 for latency to canada? [15:13] yeah - it's basically "if you can wait until the end of the day, you'll be better off" [15:13] ovh has terrible routing [15:13] mercutio: OVH have a DC in Quebec now, their v4 routing is fine [15:13] v6 yea its terrible [15:13] static: it's not fine for ipv4 [15:13] it is [15:14] try google [15:14] ... [15:14] it's like 80 msec to google [15:14] from canada [15:14] and some of their routing is kind of round about [15:14] im in Toronto, i have a OVH Canadian server, 25ms to it [15:14] is toronto near wehre they host? [15:15] i have 8 msec ping to vps in same city as me on adsl [15:15] no not really [15:15] ahh maybe it's not too bad for your provider then [15:15] its in Quebec which is a different province [15:15] so about 1000km away? [15:15] quebec - they speak french! [15:15] canada is ages apart east to west [15:16] * mercutio says as a non canadian [15:16] apparently 510km according to google maps [15:16] is that all? [15:16] you should have ~8 msec latency then [15:16] for the distance [15:17] and then your normal hext hop latency [15:17] 1 sec [15:17] Quebec, Canada and Montreal, QC, Canada. [15:17] er lemme paste that [15:17] maybe i need to be more speicif :) [15:17] oh hangon [15:17] wtf am i doing [15:18] it's montreal to toronto [15:18] isn't it [15:18] Beauharnois, QuÃ©bec, Canada [15:18] thats the city they are in [15:18] h i see 511k [15:18] but it's basically like montreal but cheaper? [15:18] it probably routes via new york though [15:18] mercutio: http://pastie.org/pastes/5599606/text?key=exrkpolahsf47hu2o8e8a [15:18] nope [15:19] they peer at TOR-IX [15:19] so 18msec to travel 510km? [15:19] it's probably 570km or more [15:19] as it probably goes via montreal [15:19] yes mtl is their montreal POP [15:19] anyway [15:19] that said [15:20] 26 msec is fine for vip [15:20] voip [15:20] what's your ping like to 8.8.8.8 static? [15:21] mercutio: ~34ms [15:21] staticsafe: from ovh? [15:21] no from home [15:21] one sec [15:22] rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 16.915/17.476/17.762/0.425 ms - from my ovh box [15:22] 8.8.8.8 is anycast, isn't it? [15:22] oh [15:22] yep [15:22] its' got better [15:22] it was more like 80 or so msec before [15:23] hmm [15:24] mercutio: traceroute will be a better tool if you're using 8.8.8.8 as a reference, the 80 msec might have been an anomaly due to you being bounced to a different anycast node [15:25] better still to pick something that isn't anycasted [15:25] ^ [15:25] well [15:25] it was more i had access to vps [15:25] and i was checking it out [15:25] and all the dns servers were slow from there [15:25] dns recursors [15:26] 4.2.2.2 was the closest from memory [15:26] about 10 msec or so away [15:26] i use bind locally for DNS [15:26] no forwarders [15:26] you realize that arp has their own resolvers, right? [15:27] doug: yeh i realise arp has their own resolvers [15:27] we were getting distracted and talking about ovh and canada [15:27] arp has good routing :) [15:27] the google servers are likely to provide, um ... creative answers depending on the question [15:27] doug: google dns is pretty good i've found [15:27] arp's cache is much smaller than google.s [15:31] I forward to Google DNS at home via my dnsmasq instance [15:32] <3 dnsmasq [15:34] i use dnsmasq with --all-servers at home [15:34] and isp, and google :) [15:34] i don't use my ISP's resolvers since they are a) unreliable b) hijack NXDOMAINs [15:35] eek [15:35] sounds fun [15:35] ah --all-servers [15:36] I use strict-order to force it use Google DNS first [15:36] since I also have Level3 resolvers in the list and that can cause bad replies for stuff that uses CDNs [15:36] really? [15:36] aye [15:36] i've found level 3 fine for cdns [15:36] level3 have too small caches though [15:36] but then i find 8.8.8.8 only fucks up akamai [15:38] mercutio: i was getting directed to google servers with +100ms latency [15:38] instead of the local ones [15:39] opendns is slightly better in regards to cdn optimization [15:39] they hijack NXDOMAIN by default though [15:39] *nod* [15:40] any public service like that has its quirks [15:40] it's a matter of finding ones you can live with :) [15:40] or running your own of course [15:40] yea [15:40] if google public dns goes to shit, ill just fuck it and run bind or someting [15:40] probably won't run a local resolver on my vps, I got a very small one to try it out [15:44] static: wow. [15:44] i get the same google servers with 8.8.8.8 as with isp dns [15:46] doug: there's a standard for passing the source ip along [15:46] :o [15:46] mercutio: probably my case was a fluke/anomaly but it was annoying [15:46] understand [15:46] here akamai sucks [15:46] often using more distant akamai servers can go faster [15:47] but they were routing akamai to hong kong [15:47] mercutio: it's just a draft, and it's got a lot of problems regarding privacy, etc. [15:47] (i'm in new zealand) [15:47] also since my family uses a lot of youtube i need CDNs to work probably [15:47] which has similar latency to US ... but much less bandwidth [15:47] ouch [15:47] i prefer anycast cdns anyway [15:47] but lots of people are against them [15:48] but like cdns that actually cache for lots of users go faster [15:48] it's the miss speed that is slow on close akamai servers [15:48] My ISP has a local cache for youtube iirc [15:48] but misses are quite common [15:48] If you already have dnsmasq running locally, it's unlikely you'll get any real benefit from forwarding to google dns anyway [15:48] static: most do here too :) [15:48] doug: how so? [15:48] my average dns time is like 50 msec [15:49] where google really helps is on things with short ttls ages away [15:49] like undeadly.org [15:49] dnsmasq allows me to do stuff like make a badhosts file and blackhole those hosts across the network (read malware domains) [15:49] because if you forward locally (to your ISP) and/or just let it resolve on its own, your local answers will be cached, and cdn-correct [15:49] when i do both at once then google results often get ignored [15:49] yes, dnsmasq is a good tool [15:49] yeh but everything uses pathetic low ttls now [15:50] it's the forwarding off-network that's almost certainly a bad idea :) [15:50] i use low ttls for my irc networks round-robin but that is necessarily [15:50] necessary* [15:50] 1800 or 300 TTLs mostly [15:50] google's got a 8.8.8.8 node near here [15:50] but the actual lookups are done from hong kong [15:51] it's like argh [15:51] i think it's hong kong [15:51] doesn't your ISP have a local resolver? [15:51] dougbb: silly question but can dnsmasq behave like bind and not use any forwarders? [15:51] it's ~25 msec to 8.8.8.8 ~150 msec to where they do the lookup from [15:51] isp has local resolver, google has bigger cache [15:52] haha [15:52] ;; Query time: 286 msec [15:52] ;; Query time: 448 msec [15:52] first is isp, second is google [15:52] mercutio: I think you're dramatically overvaluing the benefit of "bigger cache," vs. the cost of having your cdn locality screwed [15:52] maybe undeadly.org isn't faster through google [15:52] doug: cdns usually don't hit google [15:52] cos it queries in parallel [15:53] things like cachefly are the fastest cdns [15:53] and use anycast :/ [15:53] staticsafe: sorry, I should have been more clear, I meant having a local resolver [15:53] static.ak.fbcdn.net is an akamai example [15:53] dougbb: ah ok [15:54] oh yea facebook [15:54] my sister uses facebook a lot [15:54] it gives dual results of japan and hong kong with 8.8.8.8 [15:54] oh weird, static.ak.fbcdn.net has returned to NZ [15:54] yeh, maybe id on't need to use google anymore [15:55] facebook got a lot slower for me recently [15:55] they made everything use https by default [15:55] indeed [15:55] even when you have https disabled [15:55] it's /facebook/ i worry about having my data [15:55] i don't have an account heh [15:55] more than someone in between [15:56] https is your friend :) [15:56] which cdn is download.skype.com? [15:56] oh it's akamai too [15:56] 8.8.8.8 is even worse for that [15:57] stk airport code.. wonder where that is [15:57] it says colorado [15:57] but it's ages away [15:57] whee need to reboot my raspberry pi for kernel update [15:57] # lookmeup 46.33.66.41 [15:57] Rev 1: IE N/A N/A [15:57] ie? [15:58] ireland [15:58] israel? [15:58] oh [15:58] I use 8.8.4.4 [15:58] yes that's ages away [15:58] o dnsmasq update [15:59] i wnat push dns really [15:59] static: what's new in it? [16:01] mercutio: http://www.thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/CHANGELOG version 2.65 [16:04] Fix nasty regression in 2.64 which completely broke cacheing. [16:04] haha [16:04] i'm using 2.63 [16:05] oh, except on ubuntu which is 2.65 already [16:05] dodged a bullet there [16:06] seems that way [16:06] i should try namebench again [16:09] oh wtf [16:09] my raspberry pi's FS is erroring out [16:10] and root is mounted read only... [16:10] fml, seems like i need a new sd card [16:10] compact flash doesn't move frequently written areas aronud i think [16:10] so isn't good for conventional file systems [16:11] TRIM should help that [16:11] they don't support trim? [16:12] don't know much about Pis though, looks interesting, but I don't have time for another project atm [16:12] i want to try the new arm cpus sometime [16:12] the server type ones [16:13] arm a15? [16:15] gah there goes my dnsmasq box [16:20] http://postimage.org/image/svhw8a2qr/full/ [16:20] my dns does end up being a lot faster than the others :) [16:20] i need a proper server box at home [16:20] any suggestions for builds on a budget? :) [16:20] only 10% hit rate though [16:20] static: get asrock motherboard and do video passthrough [16:20] staticsafe: I have had very good luck with dell refurbished [16:20] and virtualisation [16:21] merge desktop and server? [16:21] if you're cheap you can get amd apu thingys cheap [16:21] assuming your psu/case is fine [16:21] but the dell sff as dougbb said is good for small size [16:21] as long as you don't want lots of hard-disks [16:21] i suppose there is non sff too [16:22] oh there are also those boxes on ebay [16:22] naw i don't need a lot of HDDs [16:22] just something i can run debian on :) [16:22] debian. not real unix. [16:22] d'oh [16:23] indeed thats what the GNU stands for ;) [16:23] indeed [16:24] what about: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-1950-III-Gen-3-2x-Xeon-2-66GHz-Dual-Core-4GB-SAS-6i-R-1U-Server-/370716717189?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D4532161973723377762%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D121037019535%26 [16:24] oh god that link is long [16:24] that's a long... link. [16:24] heh [16:24] http://tinyurl.com/awpofh8 [16:24] if only there were services that... could shorten links. [16:24] ooh nice [16:24] well i didn't realise it would be so long! [16:24] that's what she said [16:25] I was going to make that joke, but wasn't sure about channel etiquitte :) [16:26] here? are you kidding? [16:26] there may be better ones around [16:26] was just giving ideas out pretty much [16:28] http://tinyurl.com/a5qze9h [16:29] length of 288 characters :) [16:29] 2U is rather big [16:29] i don't have a rack in my apartment :) [16:29] heh [16:29] put in basement/ceiling? [16:29] staticsafe: you don't? [16:29] i use i7-3770 at home for my server [16:29] i don't indeed [16:29] with asrock motherboard [16:30] which has onboard broadcom ethernet [16:30] then have intel ethernet card pci-e in it too [16:30] server doesn't have to be a beast, small form-factor is nice too [16:30] it's nice andquiet [16:30] mercutio: how big is your case? [16:30] microatx [16:30] ooh [16:30] i think [16:30] mind linking me to your parts if you can? [16:30] i'm in nz [16:31] uhh [16:31] or just part names :) [16:33] i already had the case [16:33] dcc sending you what i got [16:33] oh what [16:33] it's atx [16:34] asrock do vt-d [16:35] http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1673418 [16:35] my case looks like microatx case though [16:36] it's shorter than width of keyboard [16:36] oh that's mid-atx [16:36] i think? [16:36] it's a slightly smaller case than fractal design, which make nice cases :) [16:37] http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=product&prod=99 [16:37] you should get a case like that :) [16:37] they have sound absorbtion [16:44] bleh using my router as the dnsmasq instance [16:44] openwrt? 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[21:33] 9.1 actually sounded intersting [21:51] They announced its -RELEASE today, so I believe it went through code audit [21:51] as part of their standard release process [21:51] * brycec is now running 9.1-RELEASE on his nas [21:57] 9.1-RELEASE has been out [21:57] but the announce was today [21:57] been running pretty well on my boxes [21:59] recompiling on arp is super slow though =( [22:01]