#arpnetworks 2012-12-30,Sun

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phlux	yeah '12 did go by fast is it possible to see how long we've been customers?	[09:03]
kraigu	credit card statements? ;)	[09:05]
phlux	haha, yeah that's what i figured	[09:05]
mike-burns	uptime?	[09:06]
kraigu	well, actually, I dunno about you but I keep all emails I get that are of the nature "thank you for signing up for service x", I'm sure I've got up_the_irons' welcome in that folder somewhere mike-burns: even accounting for post-kernel-patch reboots, the physical host for my VPS crashed a couple times, wouldn't work for me ;)	[09:06]
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staticsafe	http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2012-December/001448.html	[09:41]
kraigu	ah, nice jdoe: ^ ZFS IMPROVEMENTS	[09:42]
RandalSchwartz	I guess it's time to get off 8.3 :)	[09:42]
phlux	looks like rxvt-9.16 is out	[09:43]
staticsafe	<3 sudo insults BOB says: You seem to have forgotten your passwd, enter another!	[09:44]
kraigu	RandalSchwartz: isn't 8.3 supported for a while? EoL's not til 2014... you can stick if you want to :D huh, I'm still on 8.3 too. thought I'd upgraded to 9.0 at some point.	[09:44]
RandalSchwartz	well - I was just waiting for 9.1. and now it's out. :)	[09:54]
kraigu	ahh	[09:55]
RandalSchwartz	I have a sometimes justified fear of x.0 releases L	[09:56]
kraigu	yeah, I hear you.	[09:56]
RandalSchwartz	yeah - april 30 2014 for 8.3	[10:02]
kraigu	I'll probably get around to it before then =]	[10:02]
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asr33	Hello does Arp Networks have any data centers in Canada? I would like to get a VPS for hosting an Asterisk server but I'm fearful of latency?ś	[12:47]
staticsafe	asr33: nope only the one DC in LA	[12:49]
asr33	do you think Arp Networks could ever expand into Canada?	[12:50]
staticsafe	i do not if you are looking for hosting in Canada, I would loove at OVH.ca :) look*	[12:50]
asr33	brilliant thanks for tip :-)	[12:51]
staticsafe	np asr33: you can use ping.ovh.ca to test your latency its in Montreal er Quebec not Montreal >.>	[12:52]
asr33	staticsafe: wishing you a very happy new year...and thank you for your help	[12:59]
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staticsafe	:)	[13:02]
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dougbb	howdy ... anyone using freebsd, and more specifically ipv6 successfully?	[14:43]
RandalSchwartz	yes and yes	[14:43]
dougbb	Randal, hey :) I have this in my rc.conf on 9 ... should work, but it isn't ifconfig_em0_ipv6="inet6 2607:f2f8:ab14::2/64" ipv6_defaultrouter="2607:f2f8:ab14::1"	[14:43]
RandalSchwartz	still running 8.3	[14:44]
dougbb	ah	[14:44]
RandalSchwartz	also, I'm doing v6 differently than up_the_irons has others do v6 because I'm weird	[14:45]
dougbb	heh ... how are you doing it?	[14:45]
RandalSchwartz	ipv6_enable=YES ... ipv6_defaultrouter=fe80::5054:ff:fe27:9007%em0 ... ipv6_ifconfig_em0="2607:f2f8:3080::/64" that's how I do it	[14:45]
dougbb	yeah, I asked about the LLA for the router, was hoping that would help	[14:46]
RandalSchwartz	because my default router is a link local	[14:46]
dougbb	so your host address is *:0 ?	[14:47]
RandalSchwartz	yes :) simpler that way	[14:47]
phlux	i have no idea what i'm doing, but it works (FreeBSD)	[14:47]
dougbb	phlux, 8 or 9?	[14:47]
phlux	9	[14:48]
dougbb	do you mind pasting what's in your rc.conf related to ipv6?	[14:48]
phlux	http://paste.ewnix.net/index.php?show=72	[14:49]
dougbb	also, they just set up my vps, so I'm not ruling out a provisioning problem ... what's strange is that I can ping my gateway from outside, just not from my host yeah, same phlux, thanks	[14:49]
phlux	Aye	[14:50]
dougbb	this is sounding more and more like a provisioning issue I suppose I can try ipv6_enable to see if it makes a difference	[14:50]
RandalSchwartz	yeah - without ipv6_enable, it's all for nought	[14:51]
dougbb	Randal, that's true in 8, not true any more in 9	[14:52]
RandalSchwartz	oh	[14:52]
dougbb	I wrote part of that code before I left the project :)	[14:52]
RandalSchwartz	so v6 is enabled by default in 9? nice.	[14:53]
dougbb	in fact ipv6_enable generates a warning at boot time, but it's harmless well you have to have an ifconfig_IF_ipv6 line in rc.conf I actually wrote the code to make SLAAC automatic if it's available, but I got shot down on that one no difference ... still can't ping my gateway I think it's a provisioning issue what's the response time from support generally? I know it's a holiday weekend and all, but that's why I have time to work on this atm :)	[14:53]
RandalSchwartz	typical reponse time is 24-48 hours unless it's about a box on fire... then it's much shorter.	[14:58]
dougbb	heh	[14:59]
RandalSchwartz	yeah - ARP is not about quick customer service... but about fair pricing for great service. I have five boxes hosted here. awesome service for that	[14:59]
dougbb	yeah, I'm good with that ... once I get my networking in place I don't need a lot of hand holding :) and the price is definitely attractive	[15:01]
RandalSchwartz	also, this irc channel has a lot of support since most of us have been here for a while	[15:02]
dougbb	nice I'm all about the IRC :)	[15:03]
mercutio	i think historicallyi've found it's less than 24 hours i imagine a few hours from now you'll get a response	[15:10]
dougbb	excellent	[15:11]
mercutio	i think it's every evening there's a run through of email	[15:11]
dougbb	... I'm just antsy to get going, and I don't want to put in a bunch of work if they have to reinstall :)	[15:11]
mercutio	heh i first came in here cos i was wondering how long provisioning took i think ? i forgot to leave :/ actually i think i did leave for a while	[15:12]
dougbb	heh	[15:12]
mercutio	hmm why did someone recommend ovh to asr33 for latency to canada?	[15:13]
RandalSchwartz	yeah - it's basically "if you can wait until the end of the day, you'll be better off"	[15:13]
mercutio	ovh has terrible routing	[15:13]
staticsafe	mercutio: OVH have a DC in Quebec now, their v4 routing is fine v6 yea its terrible	[15:13]
mercutio	static: it's not fine for ipv4	[15:13]
staticsafe	it is	[15:13]
mercutio	try google	[15:14]
staticsafe	...	[15:14]
mercutio	it's like 80 msec to google from canada and some of their routing is kind of round about	[15:14]
staticsafe	im in Toronto, i have a OVH Canadian server, 25ms to it	[15:14]
mercutio	is toronto near wehre they host? i have 8 msec ping to vps in same city as me on adsl	[15:14]
staticsafe	no not really	[15:15]
mercutio	ahh maybe it's not too bad for your provider then	[15:15]
staticsafe	its in Quebec which is a different province	[15:15]
mercutio	so about 1000km away?	[15:15]
RandalSchwartz	quebec - they speak french!	[15:15]
mercutio	canada is ages apart east to west mercutio says as a non canadian	[15:15]
staticsafe	apparently 510km according to google maps	[15:16]
mercutio	is that all? you should have ~8 msec latency then for the distance and then your normal hext hop latency	[15:16]
staticsafe	1 sec	[15:17]
mercutio	Quebec, Canada and Montreal, QC, Canada.	[15:17]
staticsafe	er lemme paste that	[15:17]
mercutio	maybe i need to be more speicif :) oh hangon wtf am i doing it's montreal to toronto isn't it	[15:17]
staticsafe	Beauharnois, QuĂ©bec, Canada thats the city they are in	[15:18]
mercutio	h i see 511k but it's basically like montreal but cheaper? it probably routes via new york though	[15:18]
staticsafe	mercutio: http://pastie.org/pastes/5599606/text?key=exrkpolahsf47hu2o8e8a nope they peer at TOR-IX	[15:18]
mercutio	so 18msec to travel 510km? it's probably 570km or more as it probably goes via montreal	[15:19]
staticsafe	yes mtl is their montreal POP	[15:19]
mercutio	anyway that said 26 msec is fine for vip voip what's your ping like to 8.8.8.8 static?	[15:19]
staticsafe	mercutio: ~34ms	[15:21]
mercutio	staticsafe: from ovh?	[15:21]
staticsafe	no from home one sec rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 16.915/17.476/17.762/0.425 ms - from my ovh box	[15:21]
dougbb	8.8.8.8 is anycast, isn't it?	[15:22]
mercutio	oh	[15:22]
staticsafe	yep	[15:22]
mercutio	its' got better it was more like 80 or so msec before hmm	[15:22]
dougbb	mercutio: traceroute will be a better tool if you're using 8.8.8.8 as a reference, the 80 msec might have been an anomaly due to you being bounced to a different anycast node better still to pick something that isn't anycasted	[15:24]
staticsafe	^	[15:25]
mercutio	well it was more i had access to vps and i was checking it out and all the dns servers were slow from there dns recursors 4.2.2.2 was the closest from memory about 10 msec or so away	[15:25]
staticsafe	i use bind locally for DNS no forwarders	[15:26]
dougbb	you realize that arp has their own resolvers, right?	[15:26]
mercutio	doug: yeh i realise arp has their own resolvers we were getting distracted and talking about ovh and canada arp has good routing :)	[15:27]
dougbb	the google servers are likely to provide, um ... creative answers depending on the question	[15:27]
mercutio	doug: google dns is pretty good i've found arp's cache is much smaller than google.s	[15:27]
staticsafe	I forward to Google DNS at home via my dnsmasq instance <3 dnsmasq	[15:31]
mercutio	i use dnsmasq with --all-servers at home and isp, and google :)	[15:34]
staticsafe	i don't use my ISP's resolvers since they are a) unreliable b) hijack NXDOMAINs	[15:34]
mercutio	eek sounds fun	[15:35]
staticsafe	ah --all-servers I use strict-order to force it use Google DNS first since I also have Level3 resolvers in the list and that can cause bad replies for stuff that uses CDNs	[15:35]
mercutio	really?	[15:36]
staticsafe	aye	[15:36]
mercutio	i've found level 3 fine for cdns level3 have too small caches though but then i find 8.8.8.8 only fucks up akamai	[15:36]
staticsafe	mercutio: i was getting directed to google servers with +100ms latency instead of the local ones	[15:38]
dougbb	opendns is slightly better in regards to cdn optimization	[15:39]
staticsafe	they hijack NXDOMAIN by default though	[15:39]
dougbb	nod any public service like that has its quirks it's a matter of finding ones you can live with :) or running your own of course	[15:39]
staticsafe	yea if google public dns goes to shit, ill just fuck it and run bind or someting	[15:40]
dougbb	probably won't run a local resolver on my vps, I got a very small one to try it out	[15:40]
mercutio	static: wow. i get the same google servers with 8.8.8.8 as with isp dns doug: there's a standard for passing the source ip along	[15:44]
staticsafe	:o mercutio: probably my case was a fluke/anomaly but it was annoying	[15:46]
mercutio	understand here akamai sucks often using more distant akamai servers can go faster but they were routing akamai to hong kong	[15:46]
dougbb	mercutio: it's just a draft, and it's got a lot of problems regarding privacy, etc.	[15:47]
mercutio	(i'm in new zealand)	[15:47]
staticsafe	also since my family uses a lot of youtube i need CDNs to work probably	[15:47]
mercutio	which has similar latency to US ... but much less bandwidth	[15:47]
staticsafe	ouch	[15:47]
mercutio	i prefer anycast cdns anyway but lots of people are against them but like cdns that actually cache for lots of users go faster it's the miss speed that is slow on close akamai servers	[15:47]
staticsafe	My ISP has a local cache for youtube iirc	[15:48]
mercutio	but misses are quite common	[15:48]
dougbb	If you already have dnsmasq running locally, it's unlikely you'll get any real benefit from forwarding to google dns anyway	[15:48]
mercutio	static: most do here too :) doug: how so? my average dns time is like 50 msec where google really helps is on things with short ttls ages away like undeadly.org	[15:48]
staticsafe	dnsmasq allows me to do stuff like make a badhosts file and blackhole those hosts across the network (read malware domains)	[15:49]
dougbb	because if you forward locally (to your ISP) and/or just let it resolve on its own, your local answers will be cached, and cdn-correct	[15:49]
mercutio	when i do both at once then google results often get ignored	[15:49]
dougbb	yes, dnsmasq is a good tool	[15:49]
mercutio	yeh but everything uses pathetic low ttls now	[15:49]
dougbb	it's the forwarding off-network that's almost certainly a bad idea :)	[15:50]
staticsafe	i use low ttls for my irc networks round-robin but that is necessarily necessary* 1800 or 300 TTLs mostly	[15:50]
mercutio	google's got a 8.8.8.8 node near here but the actual lookups are done from hong kong it's like argh i think it's hong kong	[15:50]
dougbb	doesn't your ISP have a local resolver?	[15:51]
staticsafe	dougbb: silly question but can dnsmasq behave like bind and not use any forwarders?	[15:51]
mercutio	it's ~25 msec to 8.8.8.8 ~150 msec to where they do the lookup from isp has local resolver, google has bigger cache haha ;; Query time: 286 msec ;; Query time: 448 msec first is isp, second is google	[15:51]
dougbb	mercutio: I think you're dramatically overvaluing the benefit of "bigger cache," vs. the cost of having your cdn locality screwed	[15:52]
mercutio	maybe undeadly.org isn't faster through google doug: cdns usually don't hit google cos it queries in parallel things like cachefly are the fastest cdns and use anycast :/	[15:52]
dougbb	staticsafe: sorry, I should have been more clear, I meant having a local resolver	[15:53]
mercutio	static.ak.fbcdn.net is an akamai example	[15:53]
staticsafe	dougbb: ah ok oh yea facebook my sister uses facebook a lot	[15:53]
mercutio	it gives dual results of japan and hong kong with 8.8.8.8 oh weird, static.ak.fbcdn.net has returned to NZ yeh, maybe id on't need to use google anymore facebook got a lot slower for me recently they made everything use https by default	[15:54]
staticsafe	indeed	[15:55]
mercutio	even when you have https disabled it's /facebook/ i worry about having my data	[15:55]
staticsafe	i don't have an account heh	[15:55]
mercutio	more than someone in between	[15:55]
dougbb	https is your friend :)	[15:56]
mercutio	which cdn is download.skype.com? oh it's akamai too 8.8.8.8 is even worse for that stk airport code.. wonder where that is it says colorado but it's ages away	[15:56]
staticsafe	whee need to reboot my raspberry pi for kernel update	[15:57]
mercutio	# lookmeup 46.33.66.41 Rev 1: IE N/A N/A ie?	[15:57]
staticsafe	ireland	[15:58]
mercutio	israel? oh	[15:58]
RandalSchwartz	I use 8.8.4.4	[15:58]
mercutio	yes that's ages away	[15:58]
staticsafe	o dnsmasq update	[15:58]
mercutio	i wnat push dns really static: what's new in it?	[15:59]
staticsafe	mercutio: http://www.thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/CHANGELOG version 2.65	[16:01]
mercutio	Fix nasty regression in 2.64 which completely broke cacheing. haha i'm using 2.63 oh, except on ubuntu which is 2.65 already	[16:04]
dougbb	dodged a bullet there	[16:05]
mercutio	seems that way i should try namebench again	[16:06]
staticsafe	oh wtf my raspberry pi's FS is erroring out and root is mounted read only... fml, seems like i need a new sd card	[16:09]
mercutio	compact flash doesn't move frequently written areas aronud i think so isn't good for conventional file systems	[16:10]
dougbb	TRIM should help that	[16:11]
mercutio	they don't support trim?	[16:11]
dougbb	don't know much about Pis though, looks interesting, but I don't have time for another project atm	[16:12]
mercutio	i want to try the new arm cpus sometime the server type ones arm a15?	[16:12]
staticsafe	gah there goes my dnsmasq box	[16:15]
mercutio	http://postimage.org/image/svhw8a2qr/full/ my dns does end up being a lot faster than the others :)	[16:20]
staticsafe	i need a proper server box at home any suggestions for builds on a budget? :)	[16:20]
mercutio	only 10% hit rate though static: get asrock motherboard and do video passthrough	[16:20]
dougbb	staticsafe: I have had very good luck with dell refurbished	[16:20]
mercutio	and virtualisation merge desktop and server? if you're cheap you can get amd apu thingys cheap assuming your psu/case is fine but the dell sff as dougbb said is good for small size as long as you don't want lots of hard-disks i suppose there is non sff too oh there are also those boxes on ebay	[16:20]
staticsafe	naw i don't need a lot of HDDs just something i can run debian on :)	[16:22]
RandalSchwartz	debian. not real unix.	[16:22]
dougbb	d'oh	[16:22]
staticsafe	indeed thats what the GNU stands for ;)	[16:23]
RandalSchwartz	indeed	[16:23]
mercutio	what about: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-1950-III-Gen-3-2x-Xeon-2-66GHz-Dual-Core-4GB-SAS-6i-R-1U-Server-/370716717189?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D4532161973723377762%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D121037019535%26 oh god that link is long	[16:24]
RandalSchwartz	that's a long... link.	[16:24]
dougbb	heh	[16:24]
mercutio	http://tinyurl.com/awpofh8	[16:24]
RandalSchwartz	if only there were services that... could shorten links.	[16:24]
staticsafe	ooh nice	[16:24]
mercutio	well i didn't realise it would be so long!	[16:24]
RandalSchwartz	that's what she said	[16:24]
dougbb	I was going to make that joke, but wasn't sure about channel etiquitte :)	[16:25]
RandalSchwartz	here? are you kidding?	[16:26]
mercutio	there may be better ones around was just giving ideas out pretty much http://tinyurl.com/a5qze9h length of 288 characters :)	[16:26]
staticsafe	2U is rather big i don't have a rack in my apartment :)	[16:29]
mercutio	heh put in basement/ceiling?	[16:29]
dougbb	staticsafe: you don't?	[16:29]
mercutio	i use i7-3770 at home for my server	[16:29]
staticsafe	i don't indeed	[16:29]
mercutio	with asrock motherboard which has onboard broadcom ethernet then have intel ethernet card pci-e in it too	[16:29]
staticsafe	server doesn't have to be a beast, small form-factor is nice too	[16:30]
mercutio	it's nice andquiet	[16:30]
staticsafe	mercutio: how big is your case?	[16:30]
mercutio	microatx	[16:30]
staticsafe	ooh	[16:30]
mercutio	i think	[16:30]
staticsafe	mind linking me to your parts if you can?	[16:30]
mercutio	i'm in nz uhh	[16:30]
staticsafe	or just part names :)	[16:31]
mercutio	i already had the case dcc sending you what i got oh what it's atx asrock do vt-d http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1673418 my case looks like microatx case though it's shorter than width of keyboard oh that's mid-atx i think? it's a slightly smaller case than fractal design, which make nice cases :) http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=product&prod=99 you should get a case like that :) they have sound absorbtion	[16:33]
staticsafe	bleh using my router as the dnsmasq instance	[16:44]
mercutio	openwrt?	[16:44]
staticsafe	nah ddwrt, this router doesn't support openwrt	[16:46]
mercutio	same diff :)	[16:46]
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reardencode	mmm, 9.1-RELEASE	[21:24]
mercutio	have they done a full code audit? 9.1 actually sounded intersting	[21:32]
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brycec	They announced its -RELEASE today, so I believe it went through code audit as part of their standard release process brycec is now running 9.1-RELEASE on his nas	[21:51]
Webhostbudd	9.1-RELEASE has been out but the announce was today been running pretty well on my boxes recompiling on arp is super slow though =(	[21:57]
reardencode	why recompile?	[22:01]
Webhostbudd	because of my custom world / kernel	[22:02]
milki	fun 9.1-release has been silently available the security announce said it wasnt affected by the breach	[22:09]
mercutio	oh	[22:10]

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