mercutio: heh
it's been very quiet around here gluffis: hehe
everyone is asleep :P mercutio: it's 9:30 pm here gluffis: hes :D
yes mercutio: but it's like 5 hours later than that in the US i think
well west US gluffis: yep
most people inhere are from the US i assume mercutio: yeah i think so -: gluffis is in CET timezone ;) mercutio: it's been quiet for days though
cet? gluffis: Central Europeean Time mike-burns: I'm in CET, too! gluffis: hehe mercutio: oh gmt+1 mike-burns: Good morning and merry Christmas! gluffis: yes mercutio: so like 9:30 am mike-burns: Yup. gluffis: yes
and it's snowing mercutio: wow
i wish it snowed here for xmas mike-burns: gluffis: Where in CET are you? gluffis: sweden mike-burns: I'm in Stockholm. gluffis: haha
small world mercutio: oh both cold places mike-burns: Hah, sure is. mercutio: explains the snow
isn't it like -6c there often? gluffis: winter wise mike-burns: It's -3 today. mercutio: wow
do people go outside? mike-burns: Sure yeah, that's where the sun is. gluffis: had -27 a couple of weeks ago ;) mercutio: oh
is it warm in the sun? gluffis: haha naah
cold as hell mercutio: heh mike-burns: And I was kidding about the sun being outside. mercutio: apparently in antarctica they go skinny dipping
i'm like wtf gluffis: well, people do that here aswell mercutio: scary :) gluffis: yes mike-burns: http://howdepressingisit.in/Stockholm - a friend and I collaborated on a visual representation of the sunrise here (and elsewhere, perhaps). mercutio: do lots of people have car problems in winter?
like not starting? mike-burns: cf. http://howdepressingisit.in/Sydney mercutio: weird it's not loading
it just has white thing in middle of screen
same in palemoon as chrome
i'll rty ie mike-burns: The white thing in Sydney should be large and in Stockholm should be small. mercutio: same diff
oh
that's what it's meant to show? :) mike-burns: We're not actually artists. mercutio: well it looked like it wasn't loading right :)
it's bigger in chrome than ie heh mike-burns: Hah! mercutio: the main page is nice
what
it's bigger in Auckland than Sydney
oh hangon
it moves to the right
62% versus 61% auckland versus sydney mike-burns: It's bigger by 1% (you can mouse over to see some numbers). mercutio: yeh it moves as well though mike-burns: Sure, 5:59 vs 5:42. mercutio: ahh
that's why
We're depressed to tell you we don't know how depressing Antarctica is at the moment. mike-burns: Yeah, the API we're using isn't very good. Can't find a lot of places. mercutio: ah CaZe: There are other details that you could add.
Like the length of twilight, and such. mercutio: about 90 minutes isn't it? CaZe: That always screws me up. mike-burns: Is there an API that provides that? CaZe: The length of twilight varies according to the season. mercutio: are you using redux?
oops CaZe: As well as latitude. up_the_irons: indeed, the holidays have kept things quiet around here mercutio: up_the_irons: how's the new router going?
or are you taking holiday? up_the_irons: mercutio: yeah i'm not working on new stuff for the holidays, just doing support tickets and orders mercutio: heh all good up_the_irons: mercutio: last thing I did was run some SMF between new router and original patch panel (for new carrier to be acquired in jan. not sure who it will be yet) mercutio: ahh so new provider will start on new router? up_the_irons: yep mercutio: i suppose crossover will take a while of testing et
etc up_the_irons: crossover? mercutio: moving over to the other router
i'm assuming you'll be gradually moving stuff over to the new router setup up_the_irons: mercutio: oh, yeah, definitely. the design will allow each customer VLAN to be migrated individually, so I can take my time and do it gracefully mercutio: heh does vlan per customer scale?
well i suppose there's qinq etc
whichi is vlan inside vlan up_the_irons: mercutio: scales so far ;) it's only some extra bits on the header and pretty much all NICs offload the VLAN processing in hardware mercutio: up_the_irons: yeh but you can only have 4096 customers
i suppose that's quite a few
it's just if you do hit that limit, then suddenly it's a pita :)
that said i iamgine some customers have multiple vm's sharing one vlan up_the_irons: mercutio: nah, that's when you just use a 2 layer solution. VLAN XX on router 1 feeds 4096 VLANs on router 2. So you can have 4K*4K customers if it ever comes down to that :) mercutio: yeah
that's more like qinq
depends if you need to transport it layered or nto up_the_irons: no, qinq is more like vlan translation mercutio: it doesn't have to translate
hmm
it is nice having isolation
it's better than having shit loads of arp requests evywehre up_the_irons: yep mercutio: which doesn't scale
not with vm type work loads
cos invariable people port scan cloe ips
close
which tend to be o nthe same box
and then they all get woken up at once
for each arp request
wellit depends on arp caching etc
there's actually some new work on linux switching recently
with uhh vswitch or soemthing up_the_irons: nice gluffis: openswitch
vswitch is VmWare plett: Open vSwitch. I've seen some good writeups of people doing clever things with it in combination with kvm, but haven't tried it myself. ***: mnathani has joined #arpnetworks toddf: how does 4K x 4K customers work if you have one router? it needs 4k vlans off one nic and 4k vlans off antoher nic? ***: dzup has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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but yeah, you could have SW1 <--> R1 <--> SW2, with SW1 and SW2 connecting to different physical interfaces on the router mercutio: toddf: layered i think?
plett: you don't happen to know if there's some nice overview of these clever things people have done? jlgaddis: "layered"? mercutio: vlan under a vlan
or err
like say you have a vlan for your switch
so swtich has vlan 1000 on master switch
then master switch has a whole lot of vlans under it
oops
i mean switch has a whole lot of vlans under it
really there sohuld be 32bit vlan support or something i reckon :)
the problems come when you want things like to be able to use the vlan on many differnt switches in different locations
then poeple usually say things like mpls
err vpls
hmm someone is doing vpls stuff in openbsd it seems
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.tech/29882
realyl open source router platforms are a bit behind in these areas ***: alexstanford2 has joined #arpnetworks
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