[00:28] well, merry x-mas everyone then ;) [00:28] heh [00:28] it's been very quiet around here [00:29] hehe [00:29] everyone is asleep :P [00:29] it's 9:30 pm here [00:29] hes :D [00:29] yes [00:29] but it's like 5 hours later than that in the US i think [00:30] well west US [00:30] yep [00:30] most people inhere are from the US i assume [00:31] yeah i think so [00:31] * gluffis is in CET timezone ;) [00:32] it's been quiet for days though [00:32] cet? [00:32] Central Europeean Time [00:32] I'm in CET, too! [00:32] hehe [00:32] oh gmt+1 [00:32] Good morning and merry Christmas! [00:32] yes [00:32] so like 9:30 am [00:33] Yup. [00:33] yes [00:34] and it's snowing [00:34] wow [00:34] i wish it snowed here for xmas [00:34] gluffis: Where in CET are you? [00:34] sweden [00:34] I'm in Stockholm. [00:34] haha [00:34] small world [00:34] oh both cold places [00:34] Hah, sure is. [00:35] explains the snow [00:35] isn't it like -6c there often? [00:35] winter wise [00:35] It's -3 today. [00:35] wow [00:35] do people go outside? [00:35] Sure yeah, that's where the sun is. [00:35] had -27 a couple of weeks ago ;) [00:36] oh [00:36] is it warm in the sun? [00:36] haha naah [00:36] cold as hell [00:36] heh [00:36] And I was kidding about the sun being outside. [00:36] apparently in antarctica they go skinny dipping [00:36] i'm like wtf [00:37] well, people do that here aswell [00:37] scary :) [00:37] yes [00:37] http://howdepressingisit.in/Stockholm - a friend and I collaborated on a visual representation of the sunrise here (and elsewhere, perhaps). [00:38] do lots of people have car problems in winter? [00:38] like not starting? [00:38] cf. http://howdepressingisit.in/Sydney [00:38] weird it's not loading [00:38] it just has white thing in middle of screen [00:38] same in palemoon as chrome [00:39] i'll rty ie [00:39] The white thing in Sydney should be large and in Stockholm should be small. [00:39] same diff [00:39] oh [00:39] that's what it's meant to show? :) [00:39] We're not actually artists. [00:39] well it looked like it wasn't loading right :) [00:40] it's bigger in chrome than ie heh [00:40] Hah! [00:40] the main page is nice [00:40] what [00:40] it's bigger in Auckland than Sydney [00:40] oh hangon [00:40] it moves to the right [00:41] 62% versus 61% auckland versus sydney [00:41] It's bigger by 1% (you can mouse over to see some numbers). [00:41] yeh it moves as well though [00:41] Sure, 5:59 vs 5:42. [00:42] ahh [00:42] that's why [00:42] We're depressed to tell you we don't know how depressing Antarctica is at the moment. [00:43] Yeah, the API we're using isn't very good. Can't find a lot of places. [00:43] ah [00:48] There are other details that you could add. [00:48] Like the length of twilight, and such. [00:48] about 90 minutes isn't it? [00:49] That always screws me up. [00:49] Is there an API that provides that? [00:49] The length of twilight varies according to the season. [00:51] are you using redux? [00:51] oops [00:51] As well as latitude. [01:03] indeed, the holidays have kept things quiet around here [01:04] up_the_irons: how's the new router going? [01:04] or are you taking holiday? [01:05] mercutio: yeah i'm not working on new stuff for the holidays, just doing support tickets and orders [01:06] heh all good [01:06] mercutio: last thing I did was run some SMF between new router and original patch panel (for new carrier to be acquired in jan. not sure who it will be yet) [01:06] ahh so new provider will start on new router? [01:09] yep [01:10] i suppose crossover will take a while of testing et [01:10] etc [01:13] crossover? [01:15] moving over to the other router [01:16] i'm assuming you'll be gradually moving stuff over to the new router setup [01:22] mercutio: oh, yeah, definitely. the design will allow each customer VLAN to be migrated individually, so I can take my time and do it gracefully [01:45] heh does vlan per customer scale? [01:45] well i suppose there's qinq etc [01:47] whichi is vlan inside vlan [01:47] mercutio: scales so far ;) it's only some extra bits on the header and pretty much all NICs offload the VLAN processing in hardware [01:48] up_the_irons: yeh but you can only have 4096 customers [01:49] i suppose that's quite a few [01:49] it's just if you do hit that limit, then suddenly it's a pita :) [01:50] that said i iamgine some customers have multiple vm's sharing one vlan [01:50] mercutio: nah, that's when you just use a 2 layer solution. VLAN XX on router 1 feeds 4096 VLANs on router 2. So you can have 4K*4K customers if it ever comes down to that :) [01:51] yeah [01:51] that's more like qinq [01:51] depends if you need to transport it layered or nto [01:51] no, qinq is more like vlan translation [01:53] it doesn't have to translate [01:53] hmm [01:53] it is nice having isolation [01:53] it's better than having shit loads of arp requests evywehre [01:54] yep [01:55] which doesn't scale [01:55] not with vm type work loads [01:55] cos invariable people port scan cloe ips [01:55] close [01:55] which tend to be o nthe same box [01:55] and then they all get woken up at once [01:55] for each arp request [01:56] wellit depends on arp caching etc [01:56] there's actually some new work on linux switching recently [01:56] with uhh vswitch or soemthing [01:59] nice [03:33] openswitch [03:33] vswitch is VmWare [03:34] Open vSwitch. I've seen some good writeups of people doing clever things with it in combination with kvm, but haven't tried it myself. [04:38] *** mnathani has joined #arpnetworks [08:51] how does 4K x 4K customers work if you have one router? it needs 4k vlans off one nic and 4k vlans off antoher nic? [09:06] *** dzup has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [09:18] *** dzup has joined #arpnetworks [10:38] you can do up to 4094 vlans per switch (assuming your switch supports that many) [10:39] but yeah, you could have SW1 <--> R1 <--> SW2, with SW1 and SW2 connecting to different physical interfaces on the router [11:17] toddf: layered i think? [11:18] plett: you don't happen to know if there's some nice overview of these clever things people have done? [11:30] "layered"? [11:35] vlan under a vlan [11:36] or err [11:36] like say you have a vlan for your switch [11:36] so swtich has vlan 1000 on master switch [11:36] then master switch has a whole lot of vlans under it [11:36] oops [11:37] i mean switch has a whole lot of vlans under it [11:37] really there sohuld be 32bit vlan support or something i reckon :) [11:38] the problems come when you want things like to be able to use the vlan on many differnt switches in different locations [11:38] then poeple usually say things like mpls [11:38] err vpls [11:40] hmm someone is doing vpls stuff in openbsd it seems [11:40] http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.tech/29882 [11:40] realyl open source router platforms are a bit behind in these areas [12:03] *** alexstanford2 has joined #arpnetworks [12:04] *** alexstanford has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [12:25] *** alexstanford2 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [12:26] *** alexstanford has joined #arpnetworks [12:31] oh, you were referring to 802.1ad. gotcha. 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