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| gluffis | well, merry x-mas everyone then ;) | [00:28] |
| mercutio | heh
it's been very quiet around here | [00:28] |
| gluffis | hehe
everyone is asleep :P | [00:29] |
| mercutio | it's 9:30 pm here | [00:29] |
| gluffis | hes :D
yes | [00:29] |
| mercutio | but it's like 5 hours later than that in the US i think
well west US | [00:29] |
| gluffis | yep
most people inhere are from the US i assume | [00:30] |
| mercutio | yeah i think so | [00:31] |
| gluffis | gluffis is in CET timezone ;) | [00:31] |
| mercutio | it's been quiet for days though
cet? | [00:32] |
| gluffis | Central Europeean Time | [00:32] |
| mike-burns | I'm in CET, too! | [00:32] |
| gluffis | hehe | [00:32] |
| mercutio | oh gmt+1 | [00:32] |
| mike-burns | Good morning and merry Christmas! | [00:32] |
| gluffis | yes | [00:32] |
| mercutio | so like 9:30 am | [00:32] |
| mike-burns | Yup. | [00:33] |
| gluffis | yes
and it's snowing | [00:33] |
| mercutio | wow
i wish it snowed here for xmas | [00:34] |
| mike-burns | gluffis: Where in CET are you? | [00:34] |
| gluffis | sweden | [00:34] |
| mike-burns | I'm in Stockholm. | [00:34] |
| gluffis | haha
small world | [00:34] |
| mercutio | oh both cold places | [00:34] |
| mike-burns | Hah, sure is. | [00:34] |
| mercutio | explains the snow
isn't it like -6c there often? | [00:35] |
| gluffis | winter wise | [00:35] |
| mike-burns | It's -3 today. | [00:35] |
| mercutio | wow
do people go outside? | [00:35] |
| mike-burns | Sure yeah, that's where the sun is. | [00:35] |
| gluffis | had -27 a couple of weeks ago ;) | [00:35] |
| mercutio | oh
is it warm in the sun? | [00:36] |
| gluffis | haha naah
cold as hell | [00:36] |
| mercutio | heh | [00:36] |
| mike-burns | And I was kidding about the sun being outside. | [00:36] |
| mercutio | apparently in antarctica they go skinny dipping
i'm like wtf | [00:36] |
| gluffis | well, people do that here aswell | [00:37] |
| mercutio | scary :) | [00:37] |
| gluffis | yes | [00:37] |
| mike-burns | http://howdepressingisit.in/Stockholm - a friend and I collaborated on a visual representation of the sunrise here (and elsewhere, perhaps). | [00:37] |
| mercutio | do lots of people have car problems in winter?
like not starting? | [00:38] |
| mike-burns | cf. http://howdepressingisit.in/Sydney | [00:38] |
| mercutio | weird it's not loading
it just has white thing in middle of screen same in palemoon as chrome i'll rty ie | [00:38] |
| mike-burns | The white thing in Sydney should be large and in Stockholm should be small. | [00:39] |
| mercutio | same diff
oh that's what it's meant to show? :) | [00:39] |
| mike-burns | We're not actually artists. | [00:39] |
| mercutio | well it looked like it wasn't loading right :)
it's bigger in chrome than ie heh | [00:39] |
| mike-burns | Hah! | [00:40] |
| mercutio | the main page is nice
what it's bigger in Auckland than Sydney oh hangon it moves to the right 62% versus 61% auckland versus sydney | [00:40] |
| mike-burns | It's bigger by 1% (you can mouse over to see some numbers). | [00:41] |
| mercutio | yeh it moves as well though | [00:41] |
| mike-burns | Sure, 5:59 vs 5:42. | [00:41] |
| mercutio | ahh
that's why We're depressed to tell you we don't know how depressing Antarctica is at the moment. | [00:42] |
| mike-burns | Yeah, the API we're using isn't very good. Can't find a lot of places. | [00:43] |
| mercutio | ah | [00:43] |
| CaZe | There are other details that you could add.
Like the length of twilight, and such. | [00:48] |
| mercutio | about 90 minutes isn't it? | [00:48] |
| CaZe | That always screws me up. | [00:49] |
| mike-burns | Is there an API that provides that? | [00:49] |
| CaZe | The length of twilight varies according to the season. | [00:49] |
| mercutio | are you using redux?
oops | [00:51] |
| CaZe | As well as latitude. | [00:51] |
| up_the_irons | indeed, the holidays have kept things quiet around here | [01:03] |
| mercutio | up_the_irons: how's the new router going?
or are you taking holiday? | [01:04] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: yeah i'm not working on new stuff for the holidays, just doing support tickets and orders | [01:05] |
| mercutio | heh all good | [01:06] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: last thing I did was run some SMF between new router and original patch panel (for new carrier to be acquired in jan. not sure who it will be yet) | [01:06] |
| mercutio | ahh so new provider will start on new router? | [01:06] |
| up_the_irons | yep | [01:09] |
| mercutio | i suppose crossover will take a while of testing et
etc | [01:10] |
| up_the_irons | crossover? | [01:13] |
| mercutio | moving over to the other router
i'm assuming you'll be gradually moving stuff over to the new router setup | [01:15] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: oh, yeah, definitely. the design will allow each customer VLAN to be migrated individually, so I can take my time and do it gracefully | [01:22] |
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| mercutio | heh does vlan per customer scale?
well i suppose there's qinq etc whichi is vlan inside vlan | [01:45] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: scales so far ;) it's only some extra bits on the header and pretty much all NICs offload the VLAN processing in hardware | [01:47] |
| mercutio | up_the_irons: yeh but you can only have 4096 customers
i suppose that's quite a few it's just if you do hit that limit, then suddenly it's a pita :) that said i iamgine some customers have multiple vm's sharing one vlan | [01:48] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: nah, that's when you just use a 2 layer solution. VLAN XX on router 1 feeds 4096 VLANs on router 2. So you can have 4K*4K customers if it ever comes down to that :) | [01:50] |
| mercutio | yeah
that's more like qinq depends if you need to transport it layered or nto | [01:51] |
| up_the_irons | no, qinq is more like vlan translation | [01:51] |
| mercutio | it doesn't have to translate
hmm it is nice having isolation it's better than having shit loads of arp requests evywehre | [01:53] |
| up_the_irons | yep | [01:54] |
| mercutio | which doesn't scale
not with vm type work loads cos invariable people port scan cloe ips close which tend to be o nthe same box and then they all get woken up at once for each arp request wellit depends on arp caching etc there's actually some new work on linux switching recently with uhh vswitch or soemthing | [01:55] |
| up_the_irons | nice | [01:59] |
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| gluffis | openswitch
vswitch is VmWare | [03:33] |
| plett | Open vSwitch. I've seen some good writeups of people doing clever things with it in combination with kvm, but haven't tried it myself. | [03:34] |
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| toddf | how does 4K x 4K customers work if you have one router? it needs 4k vlans off one nic and 4k vlans off antoher nic? | [08:51] |
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| jlgaddis | you can do up to 4094 vlans per switch (assuming your switch supports that many)
but yeah, you could have SW1 <--> R1 <--> SW2, with SW1 and SW2 connecting to different physical interfaces on the router | [10:38] |
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| mercutio | toddf: layered i think?
plett: you don't happen to know if there's some nice overview of these clever things people have done? | [11:17] |
| jlgaddis | "layered"? | [11:30] |
| mercutio | vlan under a vlan
or err like say you have a vlan for your switch so swtich has vlan 1000 on master switch then master switch has a whole lot of vlans under it oops i mean switch has a whole lot of vlans under it really there sohuld be 32bit vlan support or something i reckon :) the problems come when you want things like to be able to use the vlan on many differnt switches in different locations then poeple usually say things like mpls err vpls hmm someone is doing vpls stuff in openbsd it seems http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.tech/29882 realyl open source router platforms are a bit behind in these areas | [11:35] |
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| jlgaddis | oh, you were referring to 802.1ad. gotcha. | [12:31] |
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