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up_the_irons: weechat does color nick the best
esp. if you have 256 color support
mikeputnam: http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/07/dropbox-guido-van-rossum-python/
up_the_irons: nice
jdoe: second time someone's mentioned weechat today.
is it any less crashy yet? :P
mikeputnam: %s/weechat/irssi/g
:wq
plett: ZZ
mikeputnam: i actually use :x but that rather looks like a smiley
plett: Yes, I use :x too. It's shorter :)
mikeputnam: and often with gusto right hand: <shift>-: left hand: *POW*x
jdoe: :wq!
be a real man.
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mikeputnam: rivalled only by quickly switching irssi windows as people walk by Esc-1
mercutio: mike: just switch desktops?
alt-1, alt-2 etc
mikeputnam: i wish.
mercutio: actually my irssi changes windows with alt-1-3 etc
mikeputnam: this still looks like i'm working in my editor
mercutio: are you a coder
mikeputnam: yes. a proprietary language coder. it's most unsatisfying.
jdoe: alt is more unpleasant across platforms.
mercutio: yeh
jdoe: and occasionally has conflicts if you have more than 10 windows.
mercutio: windows doesn't have virtual desktops
^b ?
jdoe: ?
mercutio: changes windwos in tmux
mikeputnam: unless you've bind-ed it to something else
i use Control+Spacebar as my prefix
mercutio: ahh
god i hate windows :/
dunno why i'm using it
mikeputnam: inertia
mercutio: nah
it's a reasonable recent thing
in the last few years
oh it was when i got a newer video card
heh
windows still is terrible with sata drives
and multiple concurrent operations
err with hard-drives
dunno about ssd's
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plett: Is tmux really that much better than screen that I should switch?
-: milki hasnt switched yet
plett: Lots of people have told me that tmux is better than screen, but I'm very used to how screen works
milki: if you dont need any features provided by tmux that arent in screen, theres no reason to switch
and if you dont even want to try it yourself, theres no reason to switch
plett: More the other way round - I occasionally use screen's serial console mode, which is something tmux doesn't do
milki: then sounds like you dont need tmux
-: milki shrugs
milki: i installed tmux but havent used it yet >.>
i also installed zsh and havent used it yet -.-
jdoe: heh
you can make tmux behave (almost) exactly like screen.
except with fewer weird quirks.
up_the_irons: jdoe: weechat has never crashed on me
plett: i haven't switched to tmux. i just don't have any reason to.
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mercutio: tmux has more sane configuration etc
-: milki doesnt configure screen much -.-
mercutio: but if you've gone and configured screen to your liking that is less relevant
it also has cleaner code base
jdoe: tmux also has less tendency to break.
milki: and its not gnu
jdoe: eg I've had screen sessions that refused to detach (even with -DDRR etc.)
DaCa: and it comes in the basesystem :)
mercutio: milki: well default tmux configuration has a status bar whichshows you which applications etc are running
jdoe: tmux also behaves slightly better (imo) if you're attached from multiple terminals with different sizes. YMMV.
plett: milki: Yeah, zsh is another thing I've been meaning to look at, but never seem to find time to do
mercutio: it also lets you connect in twice and video different windows of the same session on different terminals
s/video/view/
plett: i foudn shifting to zsh pretty simple
main advantage was better completion
jdoe: assuming you're using recent versions of everything, bash has caught up.
mercutio: i've been using zsh for ages so didn't know that
-: mercutio tests
mercutio: nope
bash default config still doesn't do apt-get completion
not even on the commands let alone packages
not completion on tar even
for arguements
milki: completions are seperate from the shell for both bash/zsh
default completions are then distribution specific and not a failure of the shell -.-
mercutio: well i'm using ubuntu
which is the most common distribution
-: milki blames ubuntu
jdoe: congrats?
mercutio: well arch was the same
milki: and bash maintainer
in general, i dont consider 3rd party default behaviour a sound argument
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mikeputnam: HAY GUYS: OpenBSD "Community" on Google+ https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/113634135604793474364
milki: very descriptive
o
community
15 members
:o
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mikeputnam: milki: join it. then there will be 16.
-: milki doesnt use openbsd though
milki is a freebsd user
brycec: G+ comunities are a big fucking mess, there are dozens of "OpenBSD communities"
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