mercutio: are you done with your beta vps? (no worries if not, but it's on my schedule to nuke) uhh i suppose so i tested that routing worked fine i coudl ssh in from extenral i didn't play with carp but i don't really need to mercutio: roger mercutio: don't hesitate to let me know if you want to do more; otherwise i'll nuke it heh well i don't think i'll find time this weekend i've got that feeling so if you need space then nuke it :) out of curiosity is it likely that the older hosts will be migrated to the new software? or is more likely that you'll get newer hardware over time and start migrating off the older hardware saving power etc probably from the earlier ones rather than more recent :) actually there was one thing i was curious about as well, andthat's whether openbsd works with smp now mercutio: i just gave your beta 4 CPUs. give smp a try :) mercutio: i'm thinking probably more likely to upgrade older hosts to newer distro (same as kvr27) ahh by a migrate on /off oh it was kvr27 new one i thought it was kvr17 for some reason no 27 heh wow does that mean you have 27 servers? :) yes nice :) how much power does that use? :) lots :) heh is the new box much more power efficient? yeah, like 20 - 25% more efficient oh so not much would love to make every box into that one, but that is totally cost prohibitive lol i thought it might be like twice as efficient 20% is good! yeh every 5 boxes, you get one free it's not 100% though :) is that average? or at low load or at full load? i don't think anything would be 2x hmm depends within the same class though like the sandybrige cpus... e3-1230 etc can be twice as fast as dual xeons sure an atom would be better, but... err as fast as dual xeons like 4 cores can be as fast as 8 and so that drops cpu load a lot but you still have hard-disks yeah but the bottleneck is never the cpu always I/O also newer ddr3 memory is lower power than ddr2 yeh but yeah ddr3 is lower now two cpus use more power than one is what i meant yeah but not by much what is the power like? 200 watts? i calculated one vs. two recently at load or idle? both are significant there's been this radical idea about datacentres dynamically turning computers on and off but it's quite common for people to not even have power saving well you're not exactly going to spin down disks when they're idle cos latency of bringing htem up is huge of course looks like 65W difference between 1 CPU vs 2 on my AMD box (kvr27); so a bit higher than I thought hmm, if you have 27 boxes with 8 hard-disks thats' 216 hard-disks :) is that rated power draw or waht? yeah i have drives coming out of my ass cos at the wall it can be diff yeah 100tb san time! :) then it goes wrong :( and that calc is with _no_ CPU scaling or other optimizations. it in fact gets a lot better once the OS loads (and starts scaling). more like 30W oh that's not much adding 8x disks and the RAID card adds about 55W so like 180 watts is more liek average power use? oh is that all i was assuming more like 10 watts per disk yeah, 5W per disk is what i measured that'd definitely be at idle :) yeah but they *are* spinning, not like they are spun down yeah but power draw is often higher for read/write seeks aren't gonna add a whole lot of power the power was measured with a basic watt meter. i tend to only care about the difference in power, so i don't care about rated power, wall, etc... it's all about just the savings hmm beta vm can't find hard-disk which seems bizzare i didn't do it... ;) oh maybe the default kernel doesn't have virtio i got the bsd.mp from umm the openbsd ftp what somehow it has 5.1 kernel yeah probably not that'd explain it at least i hav evnc :) oh think i found the problem brain fart if this works or doesn't work thing it's bed time :) :) oh i have to force shut down don't i yay it works! hw.ncpu=4 so.. virtio enabled openbsd doesn't boot with openbsd 5.1 but boots with 5.2-current and smp working mercutio: nice!! no disable mpbios or anything mpbios0 at bios0: Intel MP Specification 1.4 wow finally so with 5.2, no mpbios problems and also smp works it doesn't seem slow or anything nope with 5.2-current wow awesome i can find a 5.2 kernel and see if it works with smp 5.2-current should be pretty close to 5.2, no? but uhh they only added virtio in -current yeh they added virtio like before 5.2 came out k but 5.2 had been forked like openbsd always seems to hit their 6 month targets when i make my 5.2 templates, i'll try w/o disabling mpbios and also try out smp they don't "wait" for things and they add things that could be problematic early in the cycle yeah freebsd 9.1 isn't out yet :) lol yeh new switch (Cisco 6506-E w/ SUP720-3BXL) is installed, BTW. Been running a bunch of deep line card tests within the last 24 hours. it's a bit of a pita about the -current oh sweet! lifted that monster almost 5 feet onto a shelf all by myself ;) i'm looking forwarded to receiving /22s and /23s :) uhh is that safe? my back didn't give out you realise it's probably illegal to get staff to do that kind of thing that doesn't make it sensible to do it yourself :) not like i had the PS or fan or cards in it ;) ahh what's it way? man i'm not that ripped 40kg? 159 lb (72.3 kg) fully loaded hmm... with everything removed... i wanna say like .. umm 70 lbs ? it doesn't mention unloaded yeh that's about 30kg maybe less... but probably at least 50 lbs i just squatted, grabbed the handles, and lifted completely with my legs. not that hard.. it was harder to manuever it the last few inches onto the shelf yeh but if it's high up... then you find somewhere low to put it actually most computers are like 30kg anyway aren't they err 70 lbs :) but they're not quite as bukly i iamgeine is 6506-e 5u ? nah.. umm... 9U or something lol 12U http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps708/prod_models_comparison.html Chassis only: 50 lb (22.7 kg). i was looking for ru :) dang i wanted to guess 50 lbs i woulda been spot on 15ru what? damn that's huge oh hangon that was 6509 12 ru yeah 6509 is 15 i managed a 6513 once (20U!) hmm get two redundant and not much room left in the cabinet :) not much at all so hwo are you testing it anyway? are you goign to like split some of your bgp feeds off onto it first or something>? hmm deep line tests i suppsoe that just is a line self test? more than the self test (the bootup tests are pretty minimal) the deep tests are disruptive. you can't do any packet switching while they are running and a full reboot is required after (test patterns are left in the ASICs) line cards do seem to fail sometimes esp. the 6500 ones ;) but i thought was usually after using them for a while yeah hrmph, I wish I didn't have a cox internet issue, I could have had a console log of what happened with my vps last night. back up now, but it had completely powered off ;-( Anyone else have problems with their VPS? no t i Weird, mine still responds to pings but it won't let me login, even on serial. Actually, this happened before a few weeks ago. what OS? Maybe just an unstable snapshot. OpenBSD. I think they have virtio in the newer snaps anyway. haven't run openbsd in years happy with freebsd now so if the vps goes down, i cant get help via irc >.> me too poor old NetBSD lol, yea. I always IRC from one of my VPS's... screen ftw.. but I have 5 VPS's at ARP, all are functioning correctly tmux >> screen I'll never go back to screen again Yea, I hear tmux is sweet.. never tried it I've been using screen way too long. old dog. CaZe: i've been running openbsd 5.2-current for ages although i compiled kernel from source Mine is a couple months old. OpenBSD 5.2-current (GENERIC) #312: Thu Aug 16 11:55:34 MDT 2012 for some reason i don't have dates with uname -a i don't think it's that old though, i updated again recentlyish i think and uptime says 12 days but i was running an older one for quite a wihle dmesg yeh one of them has a whole lot of stuff that flooded it /var/run/dmesg.boot the other one i just tried smp \M-`\^?\M-~/\M-`\M^?\M-~/\M^?\M^?\M^?\M^?\M^?/OpenBSD 5.2-current (GENERIC.MP) #112: Tue Nov 13 12:57:16 MST 2012 on one OpenBSD 5.2-current (BEN) #18: Mon Oct 1 18:55:52 NZDT 2012 OpenBSD 5.2-current (BEN) #19: Sat Nov 3 19:15:09 NZDT 2012 OpenBSD 5.2-current (BEN) #20: Sun Nov 4 00:05:22 NZDT 2012 on the other so yeah newer than you you know with that date you can probably upgrade to 5.2 i'm past 5.2 also the virtio only works on the beta vm and it changes root from wd0a to sd0a pjs: you'd be well advised to try tmux 5.2 was tagged back in July. oh maybe just upgrade to a more current current then i did have: em0: watchdog timeout -- resetting That's what I've always been doing. disable mpbios yeh you don't need to disable mpbios anymore at least on the beta vm i wonder if i have mpbios # cat BEN | grep -i mpbios #mpbios0 at bios0 yeh i have it disabled in my kernel config for my normal vm how often does it crash? This is the only the second time it's happened; the first time it happened was eleven days ago. oh and you hadn't changed kernel curious i've been using -current on and off on various systems for years and years the biggest issues have been with having to upgrade gcc etc and other slightly annoying gotchas but haven't had stability issues doomviking exactly, me too.. Just too trained with screen to bother switching w00t jlgaddis: just got my callsign: AG6QQ 2x2, w00t maybe i'll get a 1x2 vanity if a cool one pops up up_the_irons: callsign for what? Lefty: ham radio oo, ham radio your callsign ends in QQ haha xWTF is taken in my area :-\ you can request a specific one? milki: depending on your class, yes milki: most short ones are already taken, or ones with some meaning tooth: they are no longer restricted to area, so search for others (e.g 1WTF, 2WTF, etc... ;) Are you getting a license plate? maybe if i get my butt down to the dmv can't just do that online? "LOLBUTTS" or if you can only do 7 chars, "OBSDSUX" OBSDROX in Oregon, it's only 6. my car is "SOURCE". Yes, I'm the only one in Oregon with an honest source license for my car. I used to have BINARY but I upgraded. :) hahaha "source license" RandalSchwartz: can you do it online these days? if only "artistic" fit :( I dunno. Just figured this'd be one of those things that should be online now