[01:03] mercutio: are you done with your beta vps? (no worries if not, but it's on my schedule to nuke) [01:17] uhh i suppose so [01:17] i tested that routing worked fine [01:17] i coudl ssh in from extenral [01:18] i didn't play with carp [01:18] but i don't really need to [01:23] mercutio: roger [01:23] mercutio: don't hesitate to let me know if you want to do more; otherwise i'll nuke it [01:26] heh well i don't think i'll find time this weekend [01:26] i've got that feeling [01:26] so if you need space then nuke it :) [01:28] out of curiosity is it likely that the older hosts will be migrated to the new software? [01:28] or is more likely that you'll get newer hardware over time and start migrating off the older hardware saving power etc [01:28] probably from the earlier ones rather than more recent :) [01:31] actually there was one thing i was curious about as well, andthat's whether openbsd works with smp now [01:41] *** Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [02:06] mercutio: i just gave your beta 4 CPUs. give smp a try :) [02:06] mercutio: i'm thinking probably more likely to upgrade older hosts to newer distro (same as kvr27) [02:07] ahh by a migrate on /off [02:07] oh it was kvr27 new one [02:07] i thought it was kvr17 for some reason [02:07] no 27 [02:07] heh [02:07] wow [02:07] does that mean you have 27 servers? :) [02:07] yes [02:07] nice [02:08] :) [02:08] how much power does that use? :) [02:08] lots :) [02:08] heh [02:08] is the new box much more power efficient? [02:09] yeah, like 20 - 25% more efficient [02:09] oh [02:09] so not much [02:09] would love to make every box into that one, but that is totally cost prohibitive [02:09] lol [02:09] i thought it might be like twice as efficient [02:09] 20% is good! [02:09] yeh [02:09] every 5 boxes, you get one free [02:09] it's not 100% though :) [02:10] is that average? [02:10] or at low load or at full load? [02:10] i don't think anything would be 2x [02:10] hmm [02:10] depends [02:10] within the same class though [02:10] like the sandybrige cpus... [02:10] e3-1230 etc [02:10] can be twice as fast as dual xeons [02:10] sure an atom would be better, but... [02:10] err [02:10] as fast as dual xeons [02:11] like 4 cores can be as fast as 8 [02:11] and so that drops cpu load a lot [02:11] but you still have hard-disks [02:11] yeah but the bottleneck is never the cpu [02:11] always I/O [02:11] also newer ddr3 memory is lower power than ddr2 [02:11] yeh [02:11] but [02:11] yeah ddr3 is lower now [02:11] two cpus use more power than one is what i meant [02:11] yeah but not by much [02:12] what is the power like? [02:12] 200 watts? [02:12] i calculated one vs. two recently [02:12] at load or idle? [02:12] both are significant [02:12] there's been this radical idea about datacentres dynamically turning computers on and off [02:13] but it's quite common for people to not even have power saving [02:13] well you're not exactly going to spin down disks when they're idle [02:13] cos latency of bringing htem up is huge [02:14] of course [02:14] looks like 65W difference between 1 CPU vs 2 on my AMD box (kvr27); so a bit higher than I thought [02:14] hmm, if you have 27 boxes with 8 hard-disks [02:14] thats' 216 hard-disks :) [02:15] is that rated power draw or waht? [02:15] yeah i have drives coming out of my ass [02:15] cos at the wall it can be diff [02:15] *** dzup has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [02:15] yeah [02:15] 100tb san time! :) [02:15] then it goes wrong :( [02:16] and that calc is with _no_ CPU scaling or other optimizations. it in fact gets a lot better once the OS loads (and starts scaling). [02:16] more like 30W [02:16] oh that's not much [02:16] adding 8x disks and the RAID card adds about 55W [02:16] so like 180 watts is more liek average power use? [02:16] oh is that all [02:17] i was assuming more like 10 watts per disk [02:17] yeah, 5W per disk is what i measured [02:17] that'd definitely be at idle :) [02:17] yeah [02:17] but they *are* spinning, not like they are spun down [02:17] yeah [02:17] but power draw is often higher for read/write [02:18] seeks aren't gonna add a whole lot of power [02:18] the power was measured with a basic watt meter. i tend to only care about the difference in power, so i don't care about rated power, wall, etc... it's all about just the savings [02:19] hmm [02:19] beta vm can't find hard-disk [02:19] which seems bizzare [02:19] i didn't do it... [02:19] ;) [02:19] oh maybe the default kernel doesn't have virtio [02:20] i got the bsd.mp [02:20] from umm [02:20] the openbsd ftp [02:20] what [02:20] somehow it has 5.1 kernel [02:20] yeah probably not [02:20] that'd explain it [02:21] at least i hav evnc :) [02:22] oh think i found the problem [02:22] brain fart [02:22] if this works or doesn't work thing it's bed time :) [02:23] :) [02:23] oh [02:23] i have to force shut down don't i [02:25] yay [02:25] it works! [02:25] hw.ncpu=4 [02:26] so.. virtio enabled openbsd doesn't boot with openbsd 5.1 [02:26] but boots with 5.2-current [02:26] and smp working [02:27] mercutio: nice!! [02:27] no disable mpbios or anything [02:27] mpbios0 at bios0: Intel MP Specification 1.4 [02:27] wow [02:27] finally [02:27] so with 5.2, no mpbios problems and also smp works [02:27] it doesn't seem slow or anything [02:27] nope [02:27] with 5.2-current [02:27] wow awesome [02:27] i can find a 5.2 kernel [02:27] and see if it works with smp [02:27] 5.2-current should be pretty close to 5.2, no? [02:27] but uhh [02:27] they only added virtio in -current [02:27] yeh [02:28] they added virtio like before 5.2 came out [02:28] k [02:28] but 5.2 had been forked [02:28] like openbsd always seems to hit their 6 month targets [02:28] when i make my 5.2 templates, i'll try w/o disabling mpbios and also try out smp [02:28] they don't "wait" for things [02:28] and they add things that could be problematic early in the cycle [02:28] yeah [02:28] freebsd 9.1 isn't out yet :) [02:29] lol [02:30] yeh [02:30] new switch (Cisco 6506-E w/ SUP720-3BXL) is installed, BTW. Been running a bunch of deep line card tests within the last 24 hours. [02:30] it's a bit of a pita about the -current [02:30] oh sweet! [02:30] lifted that monster almost 5 feet onto a shelf all by myself ;) [02:30] i'm looking forwarded to receiving /22s and /23s :) [02:30] uhh [02:30] is that safe? [02:30] my back didn't give out [02:30] you realise it's probably illegal to get staff to do that kind of thing [02:31] that doesn't make it sensible to do it yourself :) [02:31] not like i had the PS or fan or cards in it ;) [02:31] ahh [02:31] what's it way? [02:31] man i'm not that ripped [02:31] 40kg? [02:31] 159 lb (72.3 kg) [02:31] fully loaded [02:32] hmm... with everything removed... i wanna say like .. umm 70 lbs ? [02:32] it doesn't mention unloaded [02:32] yeh that's about 30kg [02:32] maybe less... but probably at least 50 lbs [02:33] i just squatted, grabbed the handles, and lifted completely with my legs. not that hard.. it was harder to manuever it the last few inches onto the shelf [02:33] yeh [02:33] but if it's high up... [02:33] then you find somewhere low to put it [02:34] actually most computers are like 30kg anyway aren't they [02:34] err 70 lbs :) [02:34] but they're not quite as bukly i iamgeine [02:34] is 6506-e 5u ? [02:35] nah.. umm... 9U or something [02:35] lol [02:35] 12U [02:35] http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps708/prod_models_comparison.html [02:35] Chassis only: 50 lb (22.7 kg). [02:36] i was looking for ru :) [02:36] dang [02:36] i wanted to guess 50 lbs [02:36] i woulda been spot on [02:36] 15ru [02:36] what? [02:36] damn that's huge [02:36] oh hangon [02:36] that was 6509 [02:36] 12 ru [02:36] yeah 6509 is 15 [02:37] i managed a 6513 once (20U!) [02:37] hmm [02:37] get two redundant [02:37] and not much room left in the cabinet :) [02:37] not much at all [02:38] so hwo are you testing it anyway? [02:38] are you goign to like split some of your bgp feeds off onto it first or something>? [02:39] hmm deep line tests [02:39] i suppsoe that just is a line self test? [02:39] more than the self test (the bootup tests are pretty minimal) [02:40] the deep tests are disruptive. you can't do any packet switching while they are running and a full reboot is required after (test patterns are left in the ASICs) [02:40] line cards do seem to fail sometimes [02:40] esp. the 6500 ones ;) [02:40] but i thought was usually after using them for a while [02:43] yeah [03:58] *** toddf has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [06:11] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [06:11] *** RandalSchwartz has quit IRC (Changing host) [06:11] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [07:11] *** cmeiklejohn has joined #arpnetworks [07:18] *** phlux has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:18] *** phlux has joined #arpnetworks [07:39] *** toddf has joined #arpnetworks [07:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o toddf [07:40] hrmph, I wish I didn't have a cox internet issue, I could have had a console log of what happened with my vps last night. back up now, but it had completely powered off ;-( [07:44] *** toddf has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [08:00] *** toddf has joined #arpnetworks [08:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o toddf [08:05] *** dzup has joined #arpnetworks [08:17] *** cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 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[12:52] *** cmeiklejohn has joined #arpnetworks [12:55] *** CaZe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [13:07] *** CaZe has joined #arpnetworks [13:11] Anyone else have problems with their VPS? [13:12] no [13:12] t i [13:12] Weird, mine still responds to pings but it won't let me login, even on serial. [13:13] Actually, this happened before a few weeks ago. [13:13] what OS? [13:13] Maybe just an unstable snapshot. [13:13] OpenBSD. [13:13] I think they have virtio in the newer snaps anyway. [13:14] haven't run openbsd in years [13:14] happy with freebsd now [13:15] *** CaZe_ has joined #arpnetworks [13:15] *** CaZe has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) [13:15] *** CaZe_ is now known as CaZe [13:15] * milki is ircing from the vps [13:16] so if the vps goes down, i cant get help via irc >.> [13:16] me too [13:22] poor old NetBSD [13:24] lol, yea. I always IRC from one of my VPS's... screen ftw.. but I have 5 VPS's at ARP, all are functioning correctly [13:24] tmux >> screen [13:25] I'll never go back to screen again [13:25] Yea, I hear tmux is sweet.. never tried it [13:26] I've been using screen way too long. old dog. [13:32] CaZe: i've been running openbsd 5.2-current for ages [13:33] although i compiled kernel from source [13:41] Mine is a couple months old. [13:42] OpenBSD 5.2-current (GENERIC) #312: Thu Aug 16 11:55:34 MDT 2012 [13:42] *** cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) [13:45] for some reason i don't have dates [13:45] with uname -a [13:46] i don't think it's that old though, i updated again recentlyish i think [13:46] and uptime says 12 days [13:47] but i was running an older one for quite a wihle [13:47] dmesg [13:47] yeh one of them has a whole lot of stuff that flooded it [13:47] /var/run/dmesg.boot [13:47] the other one i just tried smp [13:48] \M-`\^?\M-~/\M-`\M^?\M-~/\M^?\M^?\M^?\M^?\M^?/OpenBSD 5.2-current (GENERIC.MP) #112: Tue Nov 13 12:57:16 MST 2012 [13:48] on one [13:48] OpenBSD 5.2-current (BEN) #18: Mon Oct 1 18:55:52 NZDT 2012 [13:48] OpenBSD 5.2-current (BEN) #19: Sat Nov 3 19:15:09 NZDT 2012 [13:48] OpenBSD 5.2-current (BEN) #20: Sun Nov 4 00:05:22 NZDT 2012 [13:48] on the other [13:49] so yeah newer than you [13:49] you know [13:50] with that date you can probably upgrade to 5.2 [13:50] i'm past 5.2 [13:50] *** dzup has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:50] *** cmeiklejohn has joined #arpnetworks [13:50] also the virtio only works on the beta vm [13:51] and it changes root from wd0a to sd0a [13:52] pjs: you'd be well advised to try tmux [13:52] 5.2 was tagged back in July. [13:52] oh [13:52] maybe just upgrade to a more current current then [13:53] i did have: em0: watchdog timeout -- resetting [13:53] That's what I've always been doing. [13:53] disable mpbios [13:53] yeh [13:53] you don't need to disable mpbios anymore [13:53] at least on the beta vm [13:53] i wonder if i have mpbios [13:54] # cat BEN | grep -i mpbios [13:54] #mpbios0 at bios0 [13:54] yeh i have it disabled in my kernel config [13:54] for my normal vm [13:55] *** dzup has joined #arpnetworks [13:55] how often does it crash? [13:56] This is the only the second time it's happened; the first time it happened was eleven days ago. [13:57] oh [13:57] and you hadn't changed kernel [13:57] curious [13:58] i've been using -current on and off on various systems for years and years [13:58] the biggest issues have been with having to upgrade gcc etc [13:58] and other slightly annoying gotchas [13:58] but haven't had stability issues [14:51] *** kraigu_ is now known as kraigu [14:59] *** Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [14:59] doomviking exactly, me too.. Just too trained with screen to bother switching [15:09] w00t [15:09] jlgaddis: just got my callsign: AG6QQ [15:10] 2x2, w00t [15:10] maybe i'll get a 1x2 vanity if a cool one pops up [15:13] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [15:14] up_the_irons: callsign for what? [15:14] Lefty: ham radio [15:15] oo, ham radio [15:16] your callsign ends in QQ haha [15:16] *** cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) [15:16] xWTF is taken in my area :-\ [15:17] you can request a specific one? [15:17] milki: depending on your class, yes [15:17] milki: most short ones are already taken, or ones with some meaning [15:18] tooth: they are no longer restricted to area, so search for others (e.g 1WTF, 2WTF, etc... ;) [15:18] Are you getting a license plate? [15:23] maybe if i get my butt down to the dmv [15:23] can't just do that online? [15:23] "LOLBUTTS" [15:23] or if you can only do 7 chars, "OBSDSUX" [15:25] OBSDROX [15:25] in Oregon, it's only 6. [15:26] my car is "SOURCE". Yes, I'm the only one in Oregon with an honest source license for my car. [15:26] I used to have BINARY but I upgraded. :) [15:27] hahaha "source license" [15:27] RandalSchwartz: can you do it online these days? [15:27] if only "artistic" fit :( [15:28] I dunno. 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