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| up_the_irons | mercutio: are you done with your beta vps? (no worries if not, but it's on my schedule to nuke) | [01:03] |
| mercutio | uhh i suppose so
i tested that routing worked fine i coudl ssh in from extenral i didn't play with carp but i don't really need to | [01:17] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: roger
mercutio: don't hesitate to let me know if you want to do more; otherwise i'll nuke it | [01:23] |
| mercutio | heh well i don't think i'll find time this weekend
i've got that feeling so if you need space then nuke it :) out of curiosity is it likely that the older hosts will be migrated to the new software? or is more likely that you'll get newer hardware over time and start migrating off the older hardware saving power etc probably from the earlier ones rather than more recent :) actually there was one thing i was curious about as well, andthat's whether openbsd works with smp now | [01:26] |
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| up_the_irons | mercutio: i just gave your beta 4 CPUs. give smp a try :)
mercutio: i'm thinking probably more likely to upgrade older hosts to newer distro (same as kvr27) | [02:06] |
| mercutio | ahh by a migrate on /off
oh it was kvr27 new one i thought it was kvr17 for some reason | [02:07] |
| up_the_irons | no 27 | [02:07] |
| mercutio | heh
wow does that mean you have 27 servers? :) | [02:07] |
| up_the_irons | yes | [02:07] |
| mercutio | nice | [02:07] |
| up_the_irons | :) | [02:08] |
| mercutio | how much power does that use? :) | [02:08] |
| up_the_irons | lots :) | [02:08] |
| mercutio | heh
is the new box much more power efficient? | [02:08] |
| up_the_irons | yeah, like 20 - 25% more efficient | [02:09] |
| mercutio | oh
so not much | [02:09] |
| up_the_irons | would love to make every box into that one, but that is totally cost prohibitive
lol | [02:09] |
| mercutio | i thought it might be like twice as efficient | [02:09] |
| up_the_irons | 20% is good! | [02:09] |
| mercutio | yeh | [02:09] |
| up_the_irons | every 5 boxes, you get one free | [02:09] |
| mercutio | it's not 100% though :)
is that average? or at low load or at full load? | [02:09] |
| up_the_irons | i don't think anything would be 2x | [02:10] |
| mercutio | hmm
depends | [02:10] |
| up_the_irons | within the same class though | [02:10] |
| mercutio | like the sandybrige cpus...
e3-1230 etc can be twice as fast as dual xeons | [02:10] |
| up_the_irons | sure an atom would be better, but... | [02:10] |
| mercutio | err
as fast as dual xeons like 4 cores can be as fast as 8 and so that drops cpu load a lot but you still have hard-disks | [02:10] |
| up_the_irons | yeah but the bottleneck is never the cpu
always I/O | [02:11] |
| mercutio | also newer ddr3 memory is lower power than ddr2
yeh but | [02:11] |
| up_the_irons | yeah ddr3 is lower now | [02:11] |
| mercutio | two cpus use more power than one is what i meant | [02:11] |
| up_the_irons | yeah but not by much | [02:11] |
| mercutio | what is the power like?
200 watts? | [02:12] |
| up_the_irons | i calculated one vs. two recently | [02:12] |
| mercutio | at load or idle?
both are significant there's been this radical idea about datacentres dynamically turning computers on and off but it's quite common for people to not even have power saving well you're not exactly going to spin down disks when they're idle cos latency of bringing htem up is huge | [02:12] |
| up_the_irons | of course
looks like 65W difference between 1 CPU vs 2 on my AMD box (kvr27); so a bit higher than I thought | [02:14] |
| mercutio | hmm, if you have 27 boxes with 8 hard-disks
thats' 216 hard-disks :) is that rated power draw or waht? | [02:14] |
| up_the_irons | yeah i have drives coming out of my ass | [02:15] |
| mercutio | cos at the wall it can be diff | [02:15] |
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| mercutio | yeah
100tb san time! :) then it goes wrong :( | [02:15] |
| up_the_irons | and that calc is with _no_ CPU scaling or other optimizations. it in fact gets a lot better once the OS loads (and starts scaling).
more like 30W | [02:16] |
| mercutio | oh that's not much | [02:16] |
| up_the_irons | adding 8x disks and the RAID card adds about 55W | [02:16] |
| mercutio | so like 180 watts is more liek average power use?
oh is that all i was assuming more like 10 watts per disk | [02:16] |
| up_the_irons | yeah, 5W per disk is what i measured | [02:17] |
| mercutio | that'd definitely be at idle :) | [02:17] |
| up_the_irons | yeah
but they *are* spinning, not like they are spun down | [02:17] |
| mercutio | yeah
but power draw is often higher for read/write | [02:17] |
| up_the_irons | seeks aren't gonna add a whole lot of power
the power was measured with a basic watt meter. i tend to only care about the difference in power, so i don't care about rated power, wall, etc... it's all about just the savings | [02:18] |
| mercutio | hmm
beta vm can't find hard-disk which seems bizzare | [02:19] |
| up_the_irons | i didn't do it...
;) | [02:19] |
| mercutio | oh maybe the default kernel doesn't have virtio
i got the bsd.mp from umm the openbsd ftp what somehow it has 5.1 kernel | [02:19] |
| up_the_irons | yeah probably not | [02:20] |
| mercutio | that'd explain it
at least i hav evnc :) oh think i found the problem brain fart if this works or doesn't work thing it's bed time :) | [02:20] |
| up_the_irons | :) | [02:23] |
| mercutio | oh
i have to force shut down don't i yay it works! hw.ncpu=4 so.. virtio enabled openbsd doesn't boot with openbsd 5.1 but boots with 5.2-current and smp working | [02:23] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: nice!! | [02:27] |
| mercutio | no disable mpbios or anything
mpbios0 at bios0: Intel MP Specification 1.4 | [02:27] |
| up_the_irons | wow | [02:27] |
| mercutio | finally | [02:27] |
| up_the_irons | so with 5.2, no mpbios problems and also smp works | [02:27] |
| mercutio | it doesn't seem slow or anything
nope with 5.2-current | [02:27] |
| up_the_irons | wow awesome | [02:27] |
| mercutio | i can find a 5.2 kernel
and see if it works with smp | [02:27] |
| up_the_irons | 5.2-current should be pretty close to 5.2, no? | [02:27] |
| mercutio | but uhh
they only added virtio in -current yeh they added virtio like before 5.2 came out | [02:27] |
| up_the_irons | k | [02:28] |
| mercutio | but 5.2 had been forked
like openbsd always seems to hit their 6 month targets | [02:28] |
| up_the_irons | when i make my 5.2 templates, i'll try w/o disabling mpbios and also try out smp | [02:28] |
| mercutio | they don't "wait" for things
and they add things that could be problematic early in the cycle | [02:28] |
| up_the_irons | yeah | [02:28] |
| mercutio | freebsd 9.1 isn't out yet :) | [02:28] |
| up_the_irons | lol | [02:29] |
| mercutio | yeh | [02:30] |
| up_the_irons | new switch (Cisco 6506-E w/ SUP720-3BXL) is installed, BTW. Been running a bunch of deep line card tests within the last 24 hours. | [02:30] |
| mercutio | it's a bit of a pita about the -current
oh sweet! | [02:30] |
| up_the_irons | lifted that monster almost 5 feet onto a shelf all by myself ;) | [02:30] |
| mercutio | i'm looking forwarded to receiving /22s and /23s :)
uhh is that safe? | [02:30] |
| up_the_irons | my back didn't give out | [02:30] |
| mercutio | you realise it's probably illegal to get staff to do that kind of thing
that doesn't make it sensible to do it yourself :) | [02:30] |
| up_the_irons | not like i had the PS or fan or cards in it ;) | [02:31] |
| mercutio | ahh
what's it way? | [02:31] |
| up_the_irons | man i'm not that ripped | [02:31] |
| mercutio | 40kg?
159 lb (72.3 kg) fully loaded | [02:31] |
| up_the_irons | hmm... with everything removed... i wanna say like .. umm 70 lbs ? | [02:32] |
| mercutio | it doesn't mention unloaded
yeh that's about 30kg | [02:32] |
| up_the_irons | maybe less... but probably at least 50 lbs
i just squatted, grabbed the handles, and lifted completely with my legs. not that hard.. it was harder to manuever it the last few inches onto the shelf | [02:32] |
| mercutio | yeh
but if it's high up... then you find somewhere low to put it actually most computers are like 30kg anyway aren't they err 70 lbs :) but they're not quite as bukly i iamgeine is 6506-e 5u ? | [02:33] |
| up_the_irons | nah.. umm... 9U or something
lol 12U http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps708/prod_models_comparison.html | [02:35] |
| mercutio | Chassis only: 50 lb (22.7 kg).
i was looking for ru :) | [02:35] |
| up_the_irons | dang
i wanted to guess 50 lbs i woulda been spot on | [02:36] |
| mercutio | 15ru
what? damn that's huge oh hangon that was 6509 12 ru | [02:36] |
| up_the_irons | yeah 6509 is 15
i managed a 6513 once (20U!) | [02:36] |
| mercutio | hmm
get two redundant and not much room left in the cabinet :) | [02:37] |
| up_the_irons | not much at all | [02:37] |
| mercutio | so hwo are you testing it anyway?
are you goign to like split some of your bgp feeds off onto it first or something>? hmm deep line tests i suppsoe that just is a line self test? | [02:38] |
| up_the_irons | more than the self test (the bootup tests are pretty minimal)
the deep tests are disruptive. you can't do any packet switching while they are running and a full reboot is required after (test patterns are left in the ASICs) | [02:39] |
| mercutio | line cards do seem to fail sometimes | [02:40] |
| up_the_irons | esp. the 6500 ones ;) | [02:40] |
| mercutio | but i thought was usually after using them for a while | [02:40] |
| up_the_irons | yeah | [02:43] |
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| toddf | hrmph, I wish I didn't have a cox internet issue, I could have had a console log of what happened with my vps last night. back up now, but it had completely powered off ;-( | [07:40] |
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| CaZe | Anyone else have problems with their VPS? | [13:11] |
| milki | no
t i | [13:12] |
| CaZe | Weird, mine still responds to pings but it won't let me login, even on serial.
Actually, this happened before a few weeks ago. | [13:12] |
| RandalSchwartz | what OS? | [13:13] |
| CaZe | Maybe just an unstable snapshot.
OpenBSD. I think they have virtio in the newer snaps anyway. | [13:13] |
| RandalSchwartz | haven't run openbsd in years
happy with freebsd now | [13:14] |
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| milki | milki is ircing from the vps
so if the vps goes down, i cant get help via irc >.> | [13:15] |
| RandalSchwartz | me too | [13:16] |
| doomviking | poor old NetBSD | [13:22] |
| pjs | lol, yea. I always IRC from one of my VPS's... screen ftw.. but I have 5 VPS's at ARP, all are functioning correctly | [13:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | tmux >> screen
I'll never go back to screen again | [13:24] |
| pjs | Yea, I hear tmux is sweet.. never tried it | [13:25] |
| doomviking | I've been using screen way too long. old dog. | [13:26] |
| mercutio | CaZe: i've been running openbsd 5.2-current for ages
although i compiled kernel from source | [13:32] |
| CaZe | Mine is a couple months old.
OpenBSD 5.2-current (GENERIC) #312: Thu Aug 16 11:55:34 MDT 2012 | [13:41] |
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| mercutio | for some reason i don't have dates
with uname -a i don't think it's that old though, i updated again recentlyish i think and uptime says 12 days but i was running an older one for quite a wihle | [13:45] |
| CaZe | dmesg | [13:47] |
| mercutio | yeh one of them has a whole lot of stuff that flooded it | [13:47] |
| CaZe | /var/run/dmesg.boot | [13:47] |
| mercutio | the other one i just tried smp
M-`^?M-~/M-`M^?M-~/M^?M^?M^?M^?M^?/OpenBSD 5.2-current (GENERIC.MP) #112: Tue Nov 13 12:57:16 MST 2012 on one OpenBSD 5.2-current (BEN) #18: Mon Oct 1 18:55:52 NZDT 2012 OpenBSD 5.2-current (BEN) #19: Sat Nov 3 19:15:09 NZDT 2012 OpenBSD 5.2-current (BEN) #20: Sun Nov 4 00:05:22 NZDT 2012 on the other so yeah newer than you you know with that date you can probably upgrade to 5.2 i'm past 5.2 | [13:47] |
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| mercutio | also the virtio only works on the beta vm
and it changes root from wd0a to sd0a pjs: you'd be well advised to try tmux | [13:50] |
| CaZe | 5.2 was tagged back in July. | [13:52] |
| mercutio | oh
maybe just upgrade to a more current current then i did have: em0: watchdog timeout -- resetting | [13:52] |
| CaZe | That's what I've always been doing.
disable mpbios | [13:53] |
| mercutio | yeh
you don't need to disable mpbios anymore at least on the beta vm i wonder if i have mpbios # cat BEN | grep -i mpbios #mpbios0 at bios0 yeh i have it disabled in my kernel config for my normal vm | [13:53] |
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| mercutio | how often does it crash? | [13:55] |
| CaZe | This is the only the second time it's happened; the first time it happened was eleven days ago. | [13:56] |
| mercutio | oh
and you hadn't changed kernel curious i've been using -current on and off on various systems for years and years the biggest issues have been with having to upgrade gcc etc and other slightly annoying gotchas but haven't had stability issues | [13:57] |
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| pjs | doomviking exactly, me too.. Just too trained with screen to bother switching | [14:59] |
| up_the_irons | w00t
jlgaddis: just got my callsign: AG6QQ 2x2, w00t maybe i'll get a 1x2 vanity if a cool one pops up | [15:09] |
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| Lefty | up_the_irons: callsign for what? | [15:14] |
| up_the_irons | Lefty: ham radio | [15:14] |
| milki | oo, ham radio
your callsign ends in QQ haha | [15:15] |
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| tooth | xWTF is taken in my area :-[15:17] <milki> you can request a specific one? | [15:16] |
| up_the_irons | milki: depending on your class, yes
milki: most short ones are already taken, or ones with some meaning tooth: they are no longer restricted to area, so search for others (e.g 1WTF, 2WTF, etc... ;) | [15:17] |
| CaZe | Are you getting a license plate? | [15:18] |
| up_the_irons | maybe if i get my butt down to the dmv | [15:23] |
| RandalSchwartz | can't just do that online? | [15:23] |
| jdoe | "LOLBUTTS"
or if you can only do 7 chars, "OBSDSUX" | [15:23] |
| mercutio | OBSDROX | [15:25] |
| RandalSchwartz | in Oregon, it's only 6.
my car is "SOURCE". Yes, I'm the only one in Oregon with an honest source license for my car. I used to have BINARY but I upgraded. :) | [15:25] |
| tooth | hahaha "source license" | [15:27] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: can you do it online these days? | [15:27] |
| jdoe | if only "artistic" fit :( | [15:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | I dunno. Just figured this'd be one of those things that should be online now | [15:28] |
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