mercutio: are you done with  your beta vps? (no worries if not, but it's on my schedule to nuke)
uhh i suppose so
i tested that routing worked fine
i coudl ssh in from extenral
i didn't play with carp
but i don't really need to
mercutio: roger
mercutio: don't hesitate to let me know if you want to do more; otherwise i'll nuke it
heh well i don't think i'll find time this weekend
i've got that feeling
so if you need space then nuke it :)
out of curiosity is it likely that the older hosts will be migrated to the new software?
or is more likely that you'll get newer hardware over time and start migrating off the older hardware saving power etc
probably from the earlier ones rather than more recent :)
actually there was one thing i was curious about as well, andthat's whether openbsd works with smp now
mercutio: i just gave your beta 4 CPUs.  give smp a try :)
mercutio: i'm thinking probably more likely to upgrade older hosts to newer distro (same as kvr27)
ahh by a migrate on /off
oh it was kvr27 new one
i thought it was kvr17 for some reason
no 27
heh
wow
does that mean you have 27 servers? :)
yes
nice
:)
how much power does that use? :)
lots :)
heh
is the new box much more power efficient?
yeah, like 20 - 25% more efficient
oh
so not much
would love to make every box into that one, but that is totally cost prohibitive
lol
i thought it might be like twice as efficient
20% is good!
yeh
every 5 boxes, you get one free
it's not 100% though :)
is that average?
or at low load or at full load?
i don't think anything would be 2x
hmm
depends
within the same class though
like the sandybrige cpus...
e3-1230 etc
can be twice as fast as dual xeons
sure an atom would be better, but...
err
as fast as dual xeons
like 4 cores can be as fast as 8
and so that drops cpu load a lot
but you still have hard-disks
yeah but the bottleneck is never the cpu
always I/O
also newer ddr3 memory is lower power than ddr2
yeh
but
yeah ddr3 is lower now
two cpus use more power than one is what i meant
yeah but not by much
what is the power like?
200 watts?
i calculated one vs. two recently
at load or idle?
both are significant
there's been this radical idea about datacentres dynamically turning computers on and off
but it's quite common for people to not even have power saving
well you're not exactly going to spin down disks when they're idle
cos latency of bringing htem up is huge
of course
looks like 65W difference between 1 CPU vs 2 on my AMD box (kvr27); so a bit higher than I thought
hmm, if you have 27 boxes with 8 hard-disks
thats' 216 hard-disks :)
is that rated power draw or waht?
yeah i have drives coming out of my ass
cos at the wall it can be diff
yeah
100tb san time! :)
then it goes wrong :(
and that calc is with _no_ CPU scaling or other optimizations.  it in fact gets a lot better once the OS loads (and starts scaling).
more like 30W
oh that's not much
adding 8x disks and the RAID card adds about 55W
so like 180 watts is more liek average power use?
oh is that all
i was assuming more like 10 watts per disk
yeah, 5W per disk is what i measured
that'd definitely be at idle :)
yeah
but they *are* spinning, not like they are spun down
yeah
but power draw is often higher for read/write
seeks aren't gonna add a whole lot of power
the power was measured with a basic watt meter.  i tend to only care about the difference in power, so i don't care about rated power, wall, etc...  it's all about just the savings
hmm
beta vm can't find hard-disk
which seems bizzare
i didn't do it...
;)
oh maybe the default kernel doesn't have virtio
i got the bsd.mp
from umm
the openbsd ftp
what
somehow it has 5.1 kernel
yeah probably not
that'd explain it
at least i hav evnc :)
oh think i found the problem
brain fart
if this works or doesn't work thing it's bed time :)
:)
oh
i have to force shut down don't i
yay
it works!
hw.ncpu=4
so.. virtio enabled openbsd doesn't boot with openbsd 5.1
but boots with 5.2-current
and smp working
mercutio: nice!!
no disable mpbios or anything
mpbios0 at bios0: Intel MP Specification 1.4
wow
finally
so with 5.2, no mpbios problems and also smp works
it doesn't seem slow or anything
nope
with 5.2-current
wow awesome
i can find a 5.2 kernel
and see if it works with smp
5.2-current should be pretty close to 5.2, no?
but uhh
they only added virtio in -current
yeh
they added virtio like before 5.2 came out
k
but 5.2 had been forked
like openbsd always seems to hit their 6 month targets
when i make my 5.2 templates, i'll try w/o disabling mpbios and also try out smp
they don't "wait" for things
and they add things that could be problematic early in the cycle
yeah
freebsd 9.1 isn't out yet :)
lol
yeh
new switch (Cisco 6506-E w/ SUP720-3BXL) is installed, BTW.  Been running a bunch of deep line card tests within the last 24 hours.
it's a bit of a pita about the -current
oh sweet!
lifted that monster almost 5 feet onto a shelf all by myself ;)
i'm looking forwarded to receiving /22s and /23s :)
uhh
is that safe?
my back didn't give out
you realise it's probably illegal to get staff to do that kind of thing
that doesn't make it sensible to do it yourself :)
not like i had the PS or fan or cards in it ;)
ahh
what's it way?
man i'm not that ripped
40kg?
159 lb (72.3 kg)
fully loaded
hmm... with everything removed... i wanna say like .. umm 70 lbs ?
it doesn't mention unloaded
yeh that's about 30kg
maybe less... but probably at least 50 lbs
i just squatted, grabbed the handles, and lifted completely with my legs.  not that hard.. it was harder to manuever it the last few inches onto the shelf
yeh
but if it's high up...
then you find somewhere low to put it
actually most computers are like 30kg anyway aren't they
err 70 lbs :)
but they're not quite as bukly i iamgeine
is 6506-e 5u ?
nah.. umm... 9U or something
lol
12U
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps708/prod_models_comparison.html
Chassis only: 50 lb (22.7 kg).
i was looking for ru :)
dang
i wanted to guess 50 lbs
i woulda been spot on
15ru
what?
damn that's huge
oh hangon
that was 6509
12 ru
yeah 6509 is 15
i managed a 6513 once (20U!)
hmm
get two redundant
and not much room left in the cabinet :)
not much at all
so hwo are you testing it anyway?
are you goign to like split some of your bgp feeds off onto it first or something>?
hmm deep line tests
i suppsoe that just is a line self test?
more than the self test (the bootup tests are pretty minimal)
the deep tests are disruptive.  you can't do any packet switching while they are running and a full reboot is required after (test patterns are left in the ASICs)
line cards do seem to fail sometimes
esp. the 6500 ones ;)
but i thought was usually after using them for a while
yeah
hrmph, I wish I didn't have a cox internet issue, I could have had a console log of what happened with my vps last night. back up now, but it had completely powered off ;-(
Anyone else have problems with their VPS?
no
t i
Weird, mine still responds to pings but it won't let me login, even on serial.
Actually, this happened before a few weeks ago.
what OS?
Maybe just an unstable snapshot.
OpenBSD.
I think they have virtio in the newer snaps anyway.
haven't run openbsd in years
happy with freebsd now
so if the vps goes down, i cant get help via irc >.>
me too
poor old NetBSD
lol, yea. I always IRC from one of my VPS's... screen ftw.. but I have 5 VPS's at ARP, all are functioning correctly
tmux >> screen
I'll never go back to screen again
Yea, I hear tmux is sweet.. never tried it
I've been using screen way too long. old dog.
CaZe: i've been running openbsd 5.2-current for ages
although i compiled kernel from source
Mine is a couple months old.
OpenBSD 5.2-current (GENERIC) #312: Thu Aug 16 11:55:34 MDT 2012
for some reason i don't have dates
with uname -a
i don't think it's that old though, i updated again recentlyish i think
and uptime says 12 days
but i was running an older one for quite a wihle
dmesg
yeh one of them has a whole lot of stuff that flooded it
/var/run/dmesg.boot
the other one i just tried smp
\M-`\^?\M-~/\M-`\M^?\M-~/\M^?\M^?\M^?\M^?\M^?/OpenBSD 5.2-current (GENERIC.MP) #112: Tue Nov 13 12:57:16 MST 2012
on one
OpenBSD 5.2-current (BEN) #18: Mon Oct  1 18:55:52 NZDT 2012
OpenBSD 5.2-current (BEN) #19: Sat Nov  3 19:15:09 NZDT 2012
OpenBSD 5.2-current (BEN) #20: Sun Nov  4 00:05:22 NZDT 2012
on the other
so yeah newer than you
you know
with that date you can probably upgrade to 5.2
i'm past 5.2
also the virtio only works on the beta vm
and it changes root from wd0a to sd0a
pjs: you'd be well advised to try tmux
5.2 was tagged back in July.
oh
maybe just upgrade to a more current current then
i did have: em0: watchdog timeout -- resetting
That's what I've always been doing.
disable mpbios
yeh
you don't need to disable mpbios anymore
at least on the beta vm
i wonder if i have mpbios
# cat BEN | grep -i mpbios
#mpbios0        at bios0
yeh i have it disabled in my kernel config
for my normal vm
how often does it crash?
This is the only the second time it's happened; the first time it happened was eleven days ago.
oh
and you hadn't changed kernel
curious
i've been using -current on and off on various systems for years and years
the biggest issues have been with having to upgrade gcc etc
and other slightly annoying gotchas
but haven't had stability issues
doomviking exactly, me too.. Just too trained with screen to bother switching
w00t
jlgaddis: just got my callsign: AG6QQ
2x2, w00t
maybe i'll get a 1x2 vanity if a cool one pops up
up_the_irons: callsign for what?
Lefty: ham radio
oo, ham radio
your callsign ends in QQ haha
xWTF is taken in my area :-\
you can request a specific one?
milki: depending on your class, yes
milki: most short ones are already taken, or ones with some meaning
tooth: they are no longer restricted to area, so search for others (e.g 1WTF, 2WTF, etc... ;)
Are you getting a license plate?
maybe if i get my butt down to the dmv
can't just do that online?
"LOLBUTTS"
or if you can only do 7 chars, "OBSDSUX"
OBSDROX
in Oregon, it's only 6.
my car is "SOURCE".  Yes, I'm the only one in Oregon with an honest source license for my car.
I used to have BINARY but I upgraded. :)
hahaha "source license"
RandalSchwartz: can you do it online these days?
if only "artistic" fit :(
I dunno.  Just figured this'd be one of those things that should be online now