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[09:56] *** brycec has joined #arpnetworks [10:39] RandalSchwartz: fwiw, you can get the same behaviour on older tmux versions with https://qqp.ca/tmux/tmux-collapse.txt [10:39] when I first started using it I didn't understand why it had so much accessible from the command line. The extensibility is great. [10:40] yeah I like that about it [10:40] I'd never go back to screen now. can't imagine [10:40] heh. maybe i should move on? [10:40] all I really use it for are putting irc in the background [10:42] I just... use it habitually. Rather than opening 129387123 tabs to a host, I just use tmux/screen/whatever. [10:43] ... the other thing I like about it, it seems to handle multiple clients with different terminal sizes more pleasantly than screen does. [10:43] Here's one of my more fun ones - http://pastebin.com/ZnzkNMG3 [10:43] I use it every morning to refresh projects that I track [10:44] fire up 8 windows to fetch things, and then if they need building, I put them in that window. [10:48] can tmux broadcast keytrokes to all attached window sessions? [10:49] individually, yes [10:49] you can write a loop in a shell of your choice [12:24] *** cmeik has joined #arpnetworks [13:03] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [13:11] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:15] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [13:42] *** phlux has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:42] *** phlux has joined #arpnetworks [13:47] hi RandalSchwartz [13:58] *** Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [14:02] hi! [14:04] *** cmeik has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) [14:25] *** Ehtyar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [14:26] *** Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [15:04] our FreeBSD images are stock FreeBSD, so if FreeBSD has an inode problem on 5GB disks, then so will you [15:19] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [15:30] up_the_irons: Exactly... but the partition can be formatted to allocate more inodes than "default." And as the provider, specifically a provider or small disks, isn't that up your alley to fix? [15:31] Or at least may, include a note? "This is the default. If you install ports, you will probably run out of inodes. If this matters, reinstall yourself. [15:31] brycec: a FAQ entry on that is probably in order, yes [15:32] I ran into the same issue setting up a box with an 80GB hard drive - /usr was given a 10GB partition and *poof* ran out of inodes [15:32] (I managed to un-tar ports... It was during an cvsup that it exploded.) [15:37] probably not having the ports tree on 5gb disk is the best idea [15:54] Truthfully I hadn't even noticed it was a 5GB slice the customer was having trouble with... [16:05] *** cmeik has joined #arpnetworks [16:10] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [16:10] *** cmeik has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [16:14] *** cmeik has joined #arpnetworks [16:54] http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/schedule.html [16:55] So the 9.1 release announcement was scheduled for yesterday. Does anyone know how much longer it is until 9.1 is actually officially released (or is it? front page isn't updated) [16:55] it should be rsn i think [16:55] 9.1-rc2 was quite stable [16:55] and it hikn there's a rc3 now [16:55] I'm going to fix the inode issue in my 9.1 templates [16:56] cool [17:01] up_the_irons: fbsd slips all the time :P [17:01] jdoe: ah ok :) [17:03] openbsd doesn't slip :) [17:03] that's because openbsd has no features. [17:04] it has carp, pf, relayd, tmux, openbgpd, openntpd, all kinds of things [17:04] just becuase freebsd has imported old versions of those doesn't make freebsd feature-rich [17:05] and pf, and openbgpd, and relayd are all quite stale on freebsd [17:17] thatnks for fixing up the stateful filtering up_the_irons [17:18] jdoe: lol [17:18] jdoe: i would say more maintstream things have grown out of OpenBSD than a lot of other OS (e.g. OpenSSH, pf) [17:18] mercutio: np [17:19] mercutio: did it make any difference? [17:19] *** andol has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [17:20] yeh it fixed the issue [17:21] it hasn't fixed my issue with not enough traffic coming over it [17:21] and not wanting to have some peers route via it [17:21] but uhh [17:21] that gets complicated [17:22] i'll probably just have to put up with pipenetworks and a few other places peering there going via there rather than nz<->au [17:22] up_the_irons: it's funny, i don't even think about openssh coming from openbsd now... cos it stands so much on it's own [17:23] but theyhave a lot of talented developers [17:23] and they really care about doing things better [17:23] *** cmeik has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [17:23] whereas other operating systems seem to just seem to be focusing on "faster smp", etc [17:25] that said i'd like their network stack to use tcp/ip [17:25] oops [17:25] to use smp [17:26] *** cmeik has joined #arpnetworks [17:41] up_the_irons: and in return I'd probably say something trite about how userland != the kernel, otherwise we'd be giving linux credit/blame for the GNU shit ;) [17:41] * jdoe TROLLS HARDER [17:49] * up_the_irons can't take the trolling [17:58] *** cmeik has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [18:02] *** andol has joined #arpnetworks [18:21] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [18:22] *** jloks has joined #arpnetworks [18:24] Hello, I ordered a VPS but I inputted a different yahoo domain (e.g. test123@yahoo.com instead of test123@ymail.com). How could I contact support to ask assistance? [18:27] jloks: aren't yahoo emails @yahoo anyway? i saw your order, I can make the change [18:28] jloks: so i should just s/yahoo/ymail/ ? [18:28] up_the_irons: yes, @ymail instead of @yahoo [18:28] jdoe: fyi, beta vps is going away (as will the others, but yours is up today... ;) [18:28] jloks: roger [18:29] up_the_irons: thanks [18:30] jloks: np [18:32] Lefty: yours got nuked too (beta vps) [18:36] jloks: i'm making your vps now [18:37] oh [18:37] will mine work for an hour or two more? [18:38] up_the_irons: what's the verdict? [18:39] up_the_irons: Great. btw, when is the billing payment? [18:39] jdoe: on the betas? [18:39] jloks: pro-rated until the 1st, then the 1st of every month [18:39] up_the_irons: Do you give discount for advance payments? [18:39] mercutio: yours isn't gonna be nuked today (but probably like tomorrow or thurs) [18:40] cool [18:40] jloks: http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/billing/is-there-a-discount-for-paying-in-advance [18:40] i just wanted to see if network worked on second one now :) [18:40] for ipv4 [18:40] *** staticsafe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [18:40] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [18:41] mercutio: go check it out:) [18:41] up_the_irons: yeah. Greatest thing since sliced bread, or worse than hitler? [18:42] up_the_irons: Since I'll be using FreeBSD 9.0 as my preferred OS and I'm planning to setup Jails. Just wondering is the underlying container of the OS is Jails or different hypervisor? [18:42] jdoe: pretty happy with the results. i've already began putting production VMs on there. running like a champ, using less power and has more RAM, more cores, etc... [18:42] jloks: KVM/QEMU [18:42] it seems it does now :) [18:42] mercutio: so it wasn't kvr27, it was the fw rules on kvr15 [18:42] i presume [18:42] yip [18:43] yeh i can ssh in from external [18:43] i also took a prepend out which makes routing not go via nz quite as much :) [18:43] up_the_irons: Okay, I'll update by tomorrow if you can invoice my payment for 6 months. [18:43] up_the_irons: cool beans. [18:44] jpalmer: and your beta vps was nuked too [18:44] up_the_irons: This is my first time to use ARP networks. [18:44] *** staticsafe has joined #arpnetworks [18:44] mercutio: sweet [18:44] jloks: roger [18:44] up_the_irons: Heard some good reviews from others. [18:44] jloks: cool! [18:47] up_the_irons: I have received your emails and will setup FreeBSD Jails + ZFS. Thanks! [18:48] my. gawd. I just got an email with this X-Mailer in the header: [18:48] X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.67/60 [18:48] jloks: no problem! [18:48] mr/2 [18:48] that name rings a bell for some reason [18:50] OS/2! [18:58] i used to use os/2 [18:58] me too [18:58] there was this strange ppp dialer [18:58] and vmodem [18:59] i used tshell [18:59] it made os/2 so fast [18:59] then i went to linux and everything was slow :( [18:59] thsell was like a text mode shell thing.. so you don't use the normal desktop [19:03] up_the_irons: roger that re the beta vps [19:03] I never did get external connectivity working with it [19:06] Lefty: ok [19:20] *** alexstanford has quit IRC (Quit: alexstanford) [19:21] *** alexstanford has joined #arpnetworks [19:30] *** cmeik has joined #arpnetworks [19:36] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [19:41] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [19:44] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [19:48] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [19:49] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [19:54] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [19:57] *** jloks has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [20:49] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [20:54] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [21:00] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [21:08] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [21:39] *** dzup has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [22:47] *** Ehtyar has quit IRC (Quit: Don't follow me) [23:52] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks