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[09:55] <\root> Uhm, is ARPNetworks having an outage?
[09:56] <\root> Nevermind.
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[13:04] <qbit> loudnoises!
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[13:22] <brycec> shhhhhh qbit no news is good news, it means that everything is working swimmingly and we're all glad that up_the_irons is on the west coast
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[15:01] <mikeputnam> also glad my VPS is west coast
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[17:43] <fink> mikeputnam: yea…until the big one hits
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[22:29] <up_the_irons> doing a "portmaster -Da" on a server recently transferred (via ZFS) from a VPS to one of our dedicateds.  my gawd this thing FLIES.
[22:30] <up_the_irons> i mean.. it's disgustingly fast
[22:32] <milki> lol
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[22:59] <jdoe> up_the_irons: non-shared disk will do that ;)
[23:00] <up_the_irons> jdoe: but it's not just that... i mean, this thing is so fast i need a seatbelt
[23:00] <up_the_irons> jdoe: i wonder if ZFS is caching a lot in RAM.. it has 32GB
[23:00] <jdoe> I dunno man. For me, the bottleneck with ports stuff (even on dedicated hardware) was *always* disk
[23:00] <jdoe> could be, it caches aggressively.
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[23:07] <jbergstroem> buy some ssd's and set up as caches on your zpool's
[23:07] <jbergstroem> gives you a very nice performance boost
[23:07] <jdoe> seems kinda sketchy, given the failure rate of ssds.
[23:08] <jdoe> wonder if the checksums will save you from an unreliable l2arc
[23:11] <up_the_irons> jdoe: jbergstroem : i have a client that does that (ssd caching), he's reported great success
[23:11] <up_the_irons> the performance i've just seen though, seems to be quite good enough
[23:12] <up_the_irons> the disks aren't even fancy, just 7200RPM SATAs
[23:12] <up_the_irons> 2x (mirror)
[23:12] <jdoe> same... but then, I only used zfs for personal stuff.
[23:12] <jdoe> I do wonder though, what happens if your l2arc fails.
[23:12] <up_the_irons> l2arc?
[23:13] <jdoe> the ssd (or whatever) cache.
[23:14] <jdoe> arc (memory) -> l2arc (ssd) -> disk
[23:16] <up_the_irons> according to:
[23:16] <up_the_irons> http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Best_Practices_Guide#Storing_ZFS_Snapshot_Streams_.28zfs_send.2Freceive.29
[23:16] <up_the_irons> "If a cache device fails, the data will simply be read from the main pool storage devices instead"
[23:17] <up_the_irons> (better link: http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Best_Practices_Guide#Separate_Cache_Devices)
[23:26] <jdoe> up_the_irons: it's used as a write cache too though.
[23:28] <up_the_irons> jdoe: i would imagine that, since everything written is checksumed, if an error were to occur, it may report a write error up the chain or attempt to bypass cache
[23:29] <jdoe> yeah... unfortunately that's the sort of thing I'd want to test before it happened.
[23:29] <jdoe> haha.
[23:29] <jdoe> ... and I have no idea how.
[23:29] <jdoe> though it's probably safe to assume smarter people than me ensured that it does ;)
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[23:32] <up_the_irons> jdoe: it'd be pretty easy to test, just pull out the SSD during some write intense operations and see if the server keeps going :)
[23:33] <jdoe> haha.
[23:33] <jdoe> right. I also don't have backups.
[23:37] <up_the_irons> heh
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[23:49] <jbergstroem> i can try that tomorrow
[23:49] <jbergstroem> i can try while setting it to offline as well
[23:51] <jbergstroem> well. that was boring
[23:51] <jbergstroem> write speeds went down, nothing else