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[02:47] <up_the_irons> jlgaddis: lol, yeah i bet
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[06:32] <phlux> mercutio: the only problem is how much ram/cpu is uses
[06:33] <phlux> in my use case, it's not worth the trade-off
[06:33] <phlux> i'd use it if i was tethered through my iPhone or something though
[06:33] <phlux> no doubt
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[06:50] <mercutio> phlux: yeh
[06:51] <mercutio> phlux: i wouldn't to start looking at why it used so much cpu
[06:51] <mercutio> it also increases latency on close connection
[06:51] <mercutio> i didn't get far though, it took long enough to compile git version
[06:51] <mercutio> various dependencies blah
[06:52] <phlux> yeah i won't be using it for everyday use
[06:52] <mercutio> i think that's bug
[06:52] <mercutio> and can be fixed
[06:52] <mercutio> but it's c++
[06:53] <mercutio> i kind of wanted to do something similar once upon a time
[06:53] <mercutio> and i've done a few semi-related things
[06:53] <mercutio> like written ansi terminal, network code, etc before
[06:54] <mercutio> it also doesn't work with windows/putty
[06:54] <mercutio> and ssh has high overhead to start a new shell
[06:54] <mercutio> which matters if there's packet loss
[06:54] <mercutio> i used to use telnet in 486 days
[06:54] <mercutio> cos ssh was too slow
[06:55] <phlux> probably a broken eventloop
[06:58] <mercutio> yeh
[06:59] <mercutio> too tired to look at it right now
[07:00] <mercutio> but it inspires me a little :)
[07:03] <mercutio> it helps with ssh to amsterdam
[07:05] <phlux> haha i bet
[07:29] <plett> The mosh people are still being a bit silly about IPv6 support
[07:31] <plett> They've invented this corner case where you're ssh'ing (well, mosh'ing) to a pool of servers with one DNS hostname which returns multiple A and AAAA records, and want to roam between v4 and v6 but can't tell which v6 address is the same server as the v4 one you're connected to
[07:32] <plett> And they're using this situation that nobody has as a reason not to do IPv6 at all
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[09:14] <andol> plett: When you say "nobody" I am sure you really mean something like  "almost nobody" alt. "very few" or so?
[09:15] <andol> plett: Also, if they were using it as an excuse not to do IPv6 at all, howcome they have IPv6 support on the roadmap for Mosh 1.3?
[09:15] <plett> andol: Yes. Almost nobody.
[09:16] <plett> Despite being on the roadmap, none of the existing patches to add v6 support are acceptable until they can solve the above mentioned "problem"
[09:17] <plett> I'd love for mosh to be useful for me, but I have a handful of v6-only hosts which I would need to use it against
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[16:20] <mercutio> plett: why do you havae ipv6 only sites?
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[16:21] <mercutio> i assume it's just for testing :)
[16:22] <up_the_irons> plett: just curious, what do you run on your v6-only hosts?
[16:23] <staticsafe> whee just got my receipt, can't wait to get the VPS
[16:25] <up_the_irons> staticsafe: almost done :)
[16:26] <staticsafe> :D
[16:26] <up_the_irons> staticsafe: welcome packet sent!
[16:27] <staticsafe> whee, FreeBSD here I come
[16:27] <up_the_irons> gotta jet, email support@arpnetworks.com should you need anything else (or just asking here can sometimes get your question answered), thanks!
[16:27] * up_the_irons heads out
[16:27] <staticsafe> np
[16:29] * staticsafe thinks of hostname
[17:19] <brycec> mercutio / up_the_irons: I can't speak for plett, but I've gota  few ipv6-only hosts and websites. Part of it is for testing and development, partly for the nerd/cool/hipster factor, and often because I simply don't need a host with IPv4 connectivity. With IPv6, I can just pick one of the billion or so free addresses and BAM, IP-based virtualhost complete with SSL, that 99.9% of portscanners and ne'er-do-wells will ever mess with (yay lazy
[17:20] <brycec> firewall rules). I guess basically it boils down to personal stuff, not servers intended for the public at large... though I suppose I could always offer up an IPv6 mirror site.
[17:28] <mercutio> with seperate web servers?
[17:29] <brycec> No, just a single lighttpd instance
[17:29] <brycec> or Apache
[17:29] <mercutio> hmm, surely you can just use acls for that?
[17:30] <brycec> ACLs for... the SSL cert? Nah very few browser support the new extensions that let the server decide which certificate to send based on the hostname requested. One certificate per IP is still the best and easiest method.
[17:30] <brycec> mercutio: unless I misinterpreted your application of ACLs
[17:32] <mercutio> acls for firewall
[17:33] <mercutio> or lighttpd
[17:33] <mercutio> oh
[17:33] <brycec> mercutio: you seem to have overlooked the keyword _lazy_ firewalling
[17:33] <mercutio> it's about https
[17:33] <mercutio> i hate https :)
[17:33] <mercutio> i don't think the name-based-virtual-histin g works yet
[17:34] <mercutio> it's been needed for about 14 years.
[17:34] <mercutio> but hey
[17:34] <brycec> lol yeah. Supposedly there's an extension to HTTP for it where the client connects and sends the request before the server sends its certificate. But it's definitely not widely supported
[17:34] <brycec> So IPv6 ftw!
[17:34] <mercutio> i dunno https for the lose :)
[17:35] <brycec> need another ssl host? SURE! HERE ARE BILLIONS OF ADDRESSES IN YOUR /64!
[17:35] <mercutio> what i want is some kind of txt record or something defined web server stuff
[17:35] <mercutio> like what hosts are there
[17:35] <mercutio> what priority to use them in
[17:35] <mercutio> https/http name
[17:35] <mercutio> http protocol version
[17:35] <mercutio> any extra protocols supported etc
[17:35] <mercutio> and being in dns it could be hosted in many locations
[17:36] <mercutio> and like for instance some sites work best if you keep going to the same server, and some don't midn etc
[17:36] <brycec> Yeah, DNS would make a great place to place a site's public ssl cert or fingerprint at least for client verification
[17:37] <staticsafe> man, installing vim is taking a while :)
[17:37] <brycec> staticsafe: perhaps you should've gone with vim-nox?
[17:37] <staticsafe> oh crap
[17:37] <staticsafe> bleh too late now
[17:37] <brycec> Or is it vim-lite... Changes names depending on where you are (lunix, etc)
[17:37] <staticsafe> FreeBSD here
[17:37] <staticsafe> im usually a Debian/Gentoo guy
[17:38] <brycec> Never too late staticsafe... you don't want that disk space needlessly eaten up
[17:38] <brycec> heh Debian here, but I admin Debian, CentOS, OpenBSD and FreeBSD. I can't keep names straight between 'em
[17:39] <staticsafe> its building perl atm
[17:39] <staticsafe> i think the only extra stuff in the vim package i don't need is the x11 stuff it pulled in
[17:40] <mercutio> what's vim-nox?
[17:40] <brycec> yep, which is somewhere between 300 and 500MB as I recall
[17:40] <brycec> mercutio: vim without X deps
[17:41] <brycec> cuz... vim can have X deps, for gvim and the like, font rendering... I don't know what all else
[17:42] <staticsafe> vim-lite
[17:42] <brycec> (also -nox has no perl or python support)
[17:42] <staticsafe> brycec: i actually need the python support
[17:42] <staticsafe> otherwise part of my .vimrc doesn't work ;)
[17:42] <brycec> clearly you're writing your vimrc wrong :P
[17:43] <staticsafe> https://github.com/staticsafe/dotfiles/blob/master/.vimrc
[17:43] <milki> lol
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[21:38] * _bryc3c facepalms 
[21:38] <_bryc3c> the /part message was correct
[21:56] <staticsafe> :)
[21:57] <staticsafe> moved over my smokeping setup from my ubuntu box to the freebsd one, couldn't move my RRDs though :(
[21:57] <staticsafe> RRDs::info /usr/local/var/smokeping/Personal/Home.rrd: ERROR: This RRD was created on another architecture at /usr/local/smokeping/lib/Smokeping/RRDtools.pm line 113.
[21:59] <_bryc3c> yup
[21:59] <_bryc3c> staticsafe: though IIRC there' is an export/import in rrdtool
[22:00] <staticsafe> :o
[22:00] <_bryc3c> just gotta recreate the rrd
[22:00] <staticsafe> time to go read docs then
[22:00] <_bryc3c> man rrdtool ;)
[22:03] <staticsafe>        dump    Dump the contents of an RRD in plain ASCII. In connection with
[22:03] <staticsafe>                restore you can use this to move an RRD from one computer
[22:03] <staticsafe>                architecture to another.  Check rrddump.
[22:03] <staticsafe> sweet
[22:04] <staticsafe> thanks _bryc3c
[22:04] <_bryc3c> np staticsafe
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