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   HighJinx: up_the_irons hah.. i think tonight was the first time i ever visited arpnetworks.com xD
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   up_the_irons: <u>HighJinx</u>: hah really?  why did you decide to visit now? :)
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   flotwig: skuld sux
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   phlux: truth
   <br> what brings you here, flotwig?
   flotwig: oh hey phlux
   <br> company i work for uses this DC
   phlux: oh neat..small world.
   flotwig: indeed
   up_the_irons: man, IPv6 is taking off...  up to like 45 days ago, I've never received an order from an IPv6 address.  Now, we're up to 7 (one today)
   <br> <u>flotwig</u>: phlux : small world!
   <br> <u>flotwig</u>: what company? (if you don't mind me asking)
   flotwig: :)
   <br> <u>up_the_irons</u>: full ambit media
   up_the_irons: <u>flotwig</u>: ah cool
   <br> yeah i recognize that name
   phlux: <u>up_the_irons</u>: i've made a change to my i3wm, but i don't know how long i'm going to keep it: http://www.phluxbox.com/img/i3_tiny_font.png
   <br> i used to have them split the other way, which allowed my font in weechat to be larger
   up_the_irons: <u>phlux</u>: yeah the small font might get tiring on the eyes
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   up_the_irons: <u>phlux</u>: i have a separate window for weechat, full screen
   phlux: <u>up_the_irons</u>: see, if i had multiple monitors, i'd do that
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   phlux: <u>up_the_irons</u>: unfortunately, i like having a browser open in the same space as my irc window so i can click links and whatnot on irc and discuss them as i'm reading/watching
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   up_the_irons: <u>phlux</u>: ah makes sense
   phlux: i could fix that with multiple monitors, though
   up_the_irons: yeah
   phlux: one monitor strictly for irc, laptop monitor for everything else
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   up_the_irons: happy friday guys, i'm making the beta VMs we talked about earlier this week
   mercutio: i got my email up_the_irons  :)
   up_the_irons: :)
   mercutio: now to get dns to go heh
   <br> that got it, had to nat to your ip resolvers
   <br> export PKG_PATH=http://mirrors.arpnetworks.com/pub/OpenBSD/5.1/packages/amd64
   <br> you may want to set that?
   <br> on the automated install
   up_the_irons: <u>mercutio</u>: the mirror server is not "production" ready yet, so i don't want VMs to rely on it by default
   mercutio: ok
   <br> i didn't realise it wasn't production ready
   <br> i thoght centos was going to it autoamtically
   up_the_irons: <u>mercutio</u>: for some reason, i couldn't ssh in (for testing), but i gave up and chalked it up to custom IP space
   <br> and maybe you were filtering something in your router
   mercutio: hmm i could from my existing vps and through ipv6
   up_the_irons: <u>mercutio</u>: well, it's *mostly* production ready
   mercutio: it may have been asymmetric
   up_the_irons: <u>mercutio</u>: i couldn't do it from the vm host, just said connection refused or something
   mercutio: disk i/o is no faster with no virtio :)
   <br> curious
   <br> hmm i'm not finding anywhere routing via it atm
   <br> of course tcpdumping shows it's working for some random scanner in brazil
   <br> anyway works via ipv6
   up_the_irons: roger
   mercutio: doesn't have rsync, mtr, zsh etc
   <br> i keep adding things one at a time :)
   <br> <u>Ambiguous</u>: rsync could be rsync-3.0.9-iconv rsync-3.0.9
   <br> how am i supposed to know which i want? :)
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   up_the_irons: heh
   mercutio: i checked pkg_info on the other host and it had no iconv
   <br> it's curious that disk i/o is slower with no virtio drivers with the new host
   <br> i don't know if it's provisioning or the different qemu-dm
   <br> but openbsd is only adding virtio in like really recent... ie more recent then 5.1
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   up_the_irons: <u>Lefty</u>: your beta VM is ready
   andol: <u>up_the_irons</u>: In what way isn't mirrors.arpnetworks.com producation ready? What kind of risks do I take in case I point my VPS to it? It not being online, it not having recieved updates?
   mercutio: hmm my vm seems frozen
   <br> oh rsync updated a few more
   <br> and now a lot more
   up_the_irons: <u>andol</u>: it doesn't have redundant power supplies, so a PS failure would knock it offline.  A power strip failure would also knock it offline, or circuit, etc... (although those things have never happened)
   <br> <u>andol</u>: i have a spare PS, so if it were to fail, count the time required to 1) dispatch person to go to data center, 2) replace PS, 3) bring it back up; as the downtime
   andol: <u>up_the_irons</u>: Well, sounds like a risk I can survive taking, thanks.
   mercutio: my vnc isn't working it seems
   up_the_irons: <u>andol</u>: np
   <br> <u>mercutio</u>: reboot?  stuck sessioN?  it was working when i tried
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   mercutio: using the password on the page
   <br> password i think
   up_the_irons: <u>mercutio</u>: lemme check the pass
   mercutio: oh hangon
   <br> i didn't cut and paste password
   <br> the font is bad
   <br> yip working
   up_the_irons: <u>mercutio</u>: lol, indeed, i just noticed too.  that's a capital "I" :)
   mercutio: the web page font makes I look like l
   up_the_irons: yeah
   <br> it does
   <br> bah
   mercutio: hah you tried pinging 4.2.2.2 too
   <br> well .1
   phlux: http://www.phluxbox.com/img/irc_espn3_keepassx.png
   milki: ?
   <br> wheres the keepass
   <br> o
   <br> theres a window!
   phlux: indeed
   milki: its not a terminal app -.-
   phlux: nope, it is not.
   <br> i prefer it being gui so i can right-click the website and copy the password to my clipboard
   <br> also, keepassx databases carry over to iOS
   up_the_irons: <u>mercutio</u>: yeah :)
   mercutio: rsync finished but there are weird i/o stalls
   <br> like i only just changed my shell from ksh to zsh
   <br> started tmux and it reverted to ksh
   <br> typed zsh
   <br> it stalled...
   <br> it seems reoccuring
   <br> but i have a recent sys cvs for openbsd
   <br> going to try compiling it to get virtio :)
   <br> <u>bios0</u>: vendor Bochs version "Bochs" date 01/01/2007
   <br> weird, i thought it was shifting to seabios
   up_the_irons: <u>mercutio</u>: it's SeaBIOS
   <br> <u>mercutio</u>: maybe obsd detects it wrong
   <br> <u>mercutio</u>: but it's certainly seabios, check out the boot screen
   mercutio: i'll check that out when my kernel finishes compiling :)
   <br> <u>bios0</u>: vendor QEMU version "QEMU" date 01/01/2007
   <br> weird
   <br> that's what my normal vm shows
   <br> they're both showing as 1/1/2007
   <br> i had 32 bit before though
   up_the_irons: are you sure you're on the right VM? ;)
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   mercutio: yeh, cos one shows qemu one shows bochs
   -: up_the_irons shrugs
   mercutio: well it's also weird it shows 2007
   <br> maybe it's some kind of compatibility thing
   <br> cos it was done taht years ago
   <br> err that way, and things were detecing it
   CaZe: You're using BOchs for VMs? :-O
   mercutio: bochs did the emulation code for early qemu
   <br> kvm uses qemu for virtual devices
   <br> like intel ethernet cards, pci ide interface etc
   <br> vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "Cirrus Logic CL-GD5446" rev 0x00
   <br> and thigns liek that
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   mercutio: <u>up_the_irons</u>: have you tried the scsi emulation?
   up_the_irons: <u>mercutio</u>: not that i recall
   mercutio: i've been trying to google how openbsd is on other stuff
   <br> well actually it started with trying to see if there's any documented stalling
   <br> and someone was saying that scsi gives good performance on kvm
   up_the_irons: <u>mercutio</u>: ah interesting
   mercutio: tar vxzpf /root/base52.tgz  2.65s user 2.77s system 2% cpu 3:28.40 total
   <br> that to me seems on the slow side
   <br> but it's the stalls that were most annoying
   <br> oh damn i fucked it up
   <br> it's amd64 on that vm
   up_the_irons: <u>jdoe</u>: beta vm ready
   <br> yeah
   mercutio: <u>zsh</u>: exec format error: ls
   <br> i think i'm screwed
   <br> do you think you could mount the recent snapshot of openbsd?
   up_the_irons: <u>mercutio</u>: give me a url
   mercutio: getting one :)
   <br> http://mirrors.arpnetworks.com/OpenBSD/snapshots/amd64/install52.iso
   up_the_irons: <u>mercutio</u>: done.  hard reboot as usual
   mercutio: there's two cdroms :)
   <br> i see seabios too :)
   <br> hmm i don't think that worked
   <br> well booting 4 showed 5.1
   <br> and booting 5 reverted to hard-disk
   <br> where 5 was second cdrom
   up_the_irons: _hard_ reboot :)
   mercutio: i had
   <br> well shutdown (hard)
   <br> ok i did it twice for good measure now trying booting
   <br> maybe the installer is same as 5.1
   <br> i think todd said virtio isn't in the installer
   <br> should it be in first or second cdrom?
   up_the_irons: <u>mercutio</u>: first
   <br> <u>mercutio</u>: virtio is indeed not in the installer
   mercutio: i'm reinstalling base51.tgz off the 5.1 cd atm
   <br> for my foobar
   up_the_irons: weird, it reverted
   <br> <u>mercutio</u>: bah, give it another hard reboot.  for some reason, it went back to 5.1.  i dunno if perhaps there was an error and i didn't notice the first time.
   <br> <u>mercutio</u>: i put in 5.2 -current again
   mercutio: ok after this base51.tgz finishes i'll try it
   <br> i managed to get the installer to install the new bsd
   <br> it's in the default kernels, so i didn't realyl need to compile from source...
   up_the_irons: <u>mercutio</u>: roger
   mercutio: it's painfully slow
   <br> so i think trying scsi or using normal openbsd versions on older machines may make sense
   <br> it could be something like syncing after every write or soemthing
   <br> cos it's when writing i seem to notice
   up_the_irons: <u>mercutio</u>: well, there is one very heavy production VM on there (our Cacti server), so non-virtio disks might drag
   <br> <u>mercutio</u>: i can try scsi if you want... i don't know the libvirt arch for it though..
   <br> perhaps just 'scsi'
   <br> ;)
   mercutio: well i'm so close to trying the virtio :)
   <br> it says 73%
   <br> the time's been going up so can't use as estimate
   <br> it was at 51% 5 minutes ago
   up_the_irons: off topic.. my gawd i am still impressed with how fast new E3 Xeon's do a memtest
   mercutio: but i don't think the first 50% took as long as the most recent 20%
   <br> e3s are fast at everything
   up_the_irons: <u>mercutio</u>: every 5 minutes, there is a load spike b/c of all the graph drawing in Cacti
   mercutio: yeh i've used cacti :)
   <br> mind you you probably have like 20,000 graphs
   up_the_irons: lol
   <br> nah
   <br> probably around 900 though
   mercutio: it's even slower if you don't have the font setting right i fouind
   up_the_irons: o'rly?
   mercutio: yeh uhh i can't remember what's right/wrong
   <br> it was going slow for me though :)
   <br> when using cacti interactively it was noticable
   <br> http://forums.cacti.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=48337
   up_the_irons: i'll have to look into that
   mercutio: oh that doesn't show answer
   <br> but basically if showing 20 graphs feels low
   <br> slow
   <br> versus fast
   <br> it's probably that
   <br> 900 on the other hand
   <br> oh sweet it's done
   <br> oh now it has to make device nodes
   <br> talking about monitoring systms i found a recent monitoring system that is lightweight
   <br> and in C
   <br> and it's so much faster :)
   <br> good for load average etc
   <br> and works on at least opensolaris, openbsd, freebsd, ubuntu
   <br> cool that cd works for some reason
   up_the_irons: nice
   mercutio: xymon
   <br> it's got a hedious web ui
   <br> but it seems fast even on my atom
   <br> as a host
   <br> and seems to at least nicely graph load average, disk utilisation, network utilisation,
   <br> as well as connection times to ssh, http etc
   <br> looks like kvm uses if=scsi
   <br> for scsi
   up_the_irons: <u>mercutio</u>: want me to set it for scsi?
   mercutio: going to first see if it boots from upgraded 5.2
   <br> using the cd upgrade option
   <br> it's at 98% of base52
   <br> but it also has comp52 and man52..
   up_the_irons: k
   <br> i'll be afk in a minute
   mercutio: heh
   <br> it'll probably take like 10+ minutes
   <br> there's no rush, if you're away for a while can do it later
   up_the_irons: ok cool
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   up_the_irons: no
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   brycec: lol for what it's worth, I've been IPv6 for nearly 10 years... Just so happened to signup for ARP last week :P [16:28:00] &lt;up_the_irons&gt; man, IPv6 is taking off...  up to like 45 days ago, I've never received an order from an IPv6 address.  Now, we're up to 7 (one today
   HighJinx: up_the_irons : one of my irc friends were wanting a vpn fer streaming stuff
   brycec: hey up_the_irons why no Debian love on the mirror?
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   jdoe: <u>up_the_irons</u>: I saw, thanks
   <br> and yeah I never unattached the ip
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