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[02:35] <up_the_irons> tabthorpe: awesome, tnx!
[02:35] <up_the_irons> toddf: the newer libvirt _still_ does not support reboot. :(
[02:36] <up_the_irons> toddf: i will have to do even a further upgrade, but first i gotta get the initial upgrade going.  baby steps :)
[02:38] <up_the_irons> ryk: hmm...  man, why didn't i think about that.  a chroot'd home may very well work.  but wait, would that still preserve permissions with rsync?  you need to be logged in with UID 0 for rsync to be able to set perms.  Hmmm... i guess you could make the user UID 0 in /home/foo/etc/passwd
[02:39] <up_the_irons> bryc3c: toddf : IIRC, my KB does show cores at $2 per core
[02:39] <up_the_irons> the reason i think i hesitated from putting it in the power ups is b/c SMP isn't supported on all guests (like, OpenBSD barfs).  maybe i need to get over that.
[02:41] <CaZe> Poor OpenBSD.
[02:41] <up_the_irons> to be honest, I don't remember what I meant by "Dedicated CPU resources", i wrote that like 3.5 years ago... ;)  I probably was contrasting KVM/QEMU to something like OpenVZ, which doesn't really dedicate resources
[02:43] <up_the_irons> mercutio: "todd: i wonder if you're on a newer cpu than me" <-- negative.  All 26 servers have the exact same specs
[02:43] <up_the_irons> Now, the *27th* server is the 2nd gen build that several of you have requested to beta
[02:44] <up_the_irons> I have had people report that multiple cores did in fact increase their app performance (e.g. Minecraft server)
[02:45] <CaZe> How many VMs on average run on each server? Just out of curiosity.
[02:45] <up_the_irons> it seems a lot easier to bottleneck a disk than a cpu; that is indeed where we see the bulk of load
[02:47] <up_the_irons> CaZe: it really depends on the server and nature of VMs.  but it isn't hard to get 20 on a box.  with a ton of cores and RAM, i bet you could do 60 VMs running screen+irssi pretty easily ;)  but i've never tried
[02:50] <CaZe> Oh, that would be me right now.
[02:51] <up_the_irons> lol
[02:54] <CaZe> If I want to change to six month billing, do I just create a support ticket?
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[03:10] <up_the_irons> CaZe: yup
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[03:20] <phlux> which leads me to beg the question: if i want to switch to no billing (re: free vps) do i just create a support ticket?
[03:53] <up_the_irons> lol
[03:53] <up_the_irons> phlux: i think that is equivalent to cancelation ;)
[04:26] <mercutio> up_the_irons: cpu is l5420 or something isn't it?
[04:28] <mercutio> up: you should be able to do 200+ vm's with screen/irssi
[04:29] <mercutio> screen/irssi 256mb 200 on a 64gb box
[04:29] <mercutio> like 8x8gb
[05:21] <jbergstroem> you dont need 256m ram for irrsi :)
[05:21] <jbergstroem> a slim kernel and tiny linux shoudl work with 56m or something
[06:20] <mercutio> yeh
[06:20] <mercutio> until you run apt-get
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[07:05] <ryk> up_the_irons: i think you did mention the rsync difficulty last time we talked about that.
[07:05] <ryk> call them up and ask how they get around that :)
[07:45] <qbit> you guys should totally send the vps ssh fingerprints in the welcome email
[07:45] <qbit> hai ryk
[07:49] <qbit> for i in $( ls /etc/ssh/ssh_host_* ); do ssh-keygen -l -f $i; done
[07:49] <qbit> somelikethat
[07:49] <kraigu> and sign the same email, since if you're gonna be paranoid... ;)
[08:38] <bryc3c> heh
[08:38] * bryc3c thinks up_the_irons keeps some odd hours
[08:51] * bryc3c pokes support@... emailed Monday, still no response
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[09:55] <qbit> so - a new vps i just got seems to have taken out an ip of have in one of my blocks
[09:55] <bryc3c> qbit: please try English again
[09:56] <qbit> i had two vps's one with extra 5 ips
[09:56] <qbit> and i just got a new vps
[09:56] <qbit> ( technically 4 because the 5th was used by said vps )
[09:56] <qbit> but the new vps used teh 4th ip from that block
[09:56] <qbit> reducing my number of ips from 4 to 3
[09:57] <bryc3c> as is policy iirc
[09:57] <qbit> sadpanda
[09:57] <qbit> mk
[09:57] * bryc3c consults the faq
[09:57] * qbit consults the espresso machine
[09:58] <bryc3c> but imma leave it up to up_the_irons to answer for reals since I haven't found what I'm looking for, yet
[10:00] <bryc3c> closest I found was http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/vps/are-private-ip-addresses-available-for-vps-to-vps-communication
[10:01] <bryc3c> qbit: does you show an additional block under IP_BLOCK in your portal?
[10:01] <bryc3c> Maybe you were given another address, but it automatically setup the VPS with a different one (first available, from your /29)
[10:01] <bryc3c> in which case, just change the IP settings and be happy
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[10:08] <qbit> i do have IP_BLOCK
[10:08] <qbit> but the new vps used the nexta avail from said block
[10:09] <bryc3c> qbit: and IP_BLOCK doesn't listed any new addresses?
[10:10] <qbit> use your english!
[10:10] <bryc3c> damnit 10:10:32 ::: #arpnetworks You're not a channel operator
[10:10] <qbit> no :P it lists the range it should - but the new vps took next avail
[10:10] <qbit> ha
[10:10] <qbit> pwnt
[10:10] <bryc3c> *doesn't list any new or additional IP addresses?
[10:10] <qbit> no
[10:11] <qbit> i had 4 - now i have 3
[10:11] <bryc3c> Well then.. either wait for up_the_irons to respond, or email support@... or maybe someone else here with more knowledge can help
[10:11] * bryc3c is getting aggravated by the lack of a response from support
[10:13] * qbit looks at how long devio.us has had no "support"
[10:13] <CaZe> hehehe devio.us
[10:13] <bryc3c> qbit: eh? what do you mean... we have admins@devio.us and I see every one of those emails.
[10:14] <qbit> update support
[10:14] <qbit> it's still 4.7
[10:14] <bryc3c> yeah that's not the same problem
[10:14] <qbit> hence the quotes
[10:14] <bryc3c> and bitch all you want... apparently it's not going to do anything
[10:15] <qbit> yep
[10:15] * bryc3c has had long emails and phone calls with Dan begging to let me update wolfman... not gonna happen
[10:15] * bryc3c fights for the users
[10:15] <CaZe> Did you guys ever get that premium server going?
[10:15] <qbit> nope
[10:15] <qbit> well
[10:15] <qbit> "going"
[10:15] <bryc3c> CaZe: the servers are up and running...
[10:15] <qbit> bryc3c has logins
[10:15] <qbit> but no one else does
[10:15] <bryc3c> But we don't have the new admin stuffs written and therefore cannot add accounts or anything
[10:16] <bryc3c> Also this hardly seems like the right place for a #devious discussion
[10:16] <qbit> yeah - your comment about the service reminded me i was gonna cancel :D
[10:17] <bryc3c> heh
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[13:51] * bryc3c no longer so annoyed with the lack of response, thx up_the_irons 
[13:53] <up_the_irons> :)
[13:54] <up_the_irons> ryk: lol, or just order a vps ;)
[13:55] <up_the_irons> qbit: that's not a bad idea.  email feedback@arpnetworks.com and i'll put it in the feature requests queue :)
[13:56] <up_the_irons> qbit: bryc3c is right; IPs for any / all services come from your account's IP block(s), they are not assigned to individual VPS'
[13:57] <qbit> cool
[13:57] <brycec> up_the_irons: but does ordering an additional VPS not include an additional /30?
[13:59] <up_the_irons> brycec: no, it does not.  first service of anything you order (vps, colo, dedi, etc...) includes a /30, then after that, IPs must be purchased (usually $1 per IP)
[13:59] <up_the_irons> a /30 per VPS would waste a lot of IP space
[14:00] <brycec> heh, gotit. Exactly what I was trying to confirm (for qbit) :)
[14:00] <up_the_irons> :)
[14:00] <qbit> yay
[14:00] <qbit> thanks for the clarification
[14:00] <up_the_irons> np
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[14:01] <brycec> up_the_irons: Same question on IPv6 - /64 shared across all VPS?
[14:01] <qbit> lol
[14:01] <qbit> if you need more than a /64
[14:01] <qbit> mind blown
[14:02] <up_the_irons> brycec: yup
[14:03] <up_the_irons> must have http://www.welovefine.com/3471-what-happens-on-the-holodeck.html
[14:03] <qbit> ha that's awesome
[14:03] <brycec> haha a certain busty friend of mine has a similar shirt - LCARS design with the same saying.
[14:04] <qbit> lol the "expendable" one is awesome too
[14:07] <brycec> thanks up_the_irons for handling the upgrade
[14:08] <brycec> (if you hadn't matched IRC nick to email yet...)
[14:09] <toddf> so... let it be known .. that even though openbsd introduced a fix for some broken soekris mpbios that should help arpnetworks kvms as a side effect, the real effect is that you can install and boot a standard kernel on arpnetworks kvms yet it gets watchdog timeouts on em0 and network interfaces and then freezes. probably chews a bit of cpu also. the fix? the same old workaround: 'disable mpbios' ;-(
[14:09] <toddf> with the 'disable mpbios' even 'virtio' networking works fine
[14:11] <jdoe> oh, they have virtio networking too?
[14:12] <toddf> as of post 5.2
[14:13] <toddf> disk support too
[14:13] <toddf> though bios in the current production kvms at arpnetworks does not support hooks to boot openbsd off virtio disk (apparently freebsd also)
[14:13] <up_the_irons> brycec: np!
[14:15] <jdoe> toddf: doh, figured that wouldn't make it into 5.2
[14:15] <up_the_irons> brycec: yeah i made the nick connection
[14:15] <toddf> when I'm done decompressing from moving my office and now colo-move in progress, I'll focus on getting it into the installation media also .. if someone else doesn't beat me to it ;-)
[14:16] <up_the_irons> toddf: it'll be interesting if the beta VM (newer kvm/qemu/bios) will fix the mpbios issue
[14:16] <toddf> now that I have working net and disk (after futzing with tests up_the_iron was gracious enough to let me do) its full steam ahead to move my colo to arpnetworks ;-)
[14:17] <up_the_irons> how much colo?  I'm getting kinda low on space atm...
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[14:20] <up_the_irons> cd $food
[14:21] <toddf> up_the_irons: apparently its a buggy release of the bios, so it'll just depend on whether or not the bios is past that release fix or not
[14:23] <toddf> up_the_irons: my 2nd vps that I was futzing with the virtio disk/net recently will replace my colo .. so no worries
[14:23] <toddf> its just a matter of me having time to transfer services, renumber various things in dns after verifying things are up and working, you know, typical seamless migration strategies and all
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[15:48] <phlux>  @up_the_iron+│ phlux: i think that is equivalent to cancelation ;)
[15:48] <phlux> booo
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[16:13] <bryc3c> no freebies for you!
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[16:45] <mercutio> oh todd you got network going with virtio!
[16:45] <mercutio> is there a workaround for the disk ting?
[16:45] <mercutio> i care about network more then disk :)
[16:46] <mercutio> they're already doing post 5.2 changes
[16:46] <mercutio> the changelog show that now, oops :)
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[17:14] <up_the_irons> toddf: the newer kvm/qemu uses a whole new bios (SeaBIOS instead of Bochs)
[17:15] <up_the_irons> toddf: ah, to replace colo, good idea
[17:15] <up_the_irons> phlux: lol
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[18:31] <up_the_irons> why oh why, Lucid, did you break the 'inet6 static' stanza in interface(8) ?
[18:31] <up_the_irons> *interfaces
[18:33] <phlux> man, i was using kdm to log me into i3, and i found out it was using 100% of one of my cpus
[18:34] <phlux> my load averages were in the 1.5 range with i3, 4 instances of urxvt, google-chrome, thunderbird, and keepassx.
[18:34] <phlux> i knew something was wrong with that. disabled kdm and networkmanager, and i'm sitting at 0.12 now with all of that loaded
[18:35] <phlux> free -m:
[18:35] <phlux> -/+ buffers/cache:        604       7136
[18:35] <phlux> woot
[18:35] <phlux> that's awesome
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[23:24] <bryc3c> up_the_irons: Have you seen novnc? It's a javascript/html5 vnc client. Seems like it would be a good fit for the portal. http://kanaka.github.com/noVNC/noVNC/vnc.html
[23:29] <up_the_irons> bryc3c: i think i have
[23:29] <up_the_irons> bryc3c: something like that will eventually make its way to the portal
[23:31] <up_the_irons> bryc3c: that looks pretty sweet actually..  i'd need that bridge thingy though
[23:31] <up_the_irons> wow, the screenshots show it used with an ipad
[23:32] <up_the_irons> now, that's, hot