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| up_the_irons | tabthorpe: awesome, tnx!
toddf: the newer libvirt _still_ does not support reboot. :( toddf: i will have to do even a further upgrade, but first i gotta get the initial upgrade going. baby steps :) ryk: hmm... man, why didn't i think about that. a chroot'd home may very well work. but wait, would that still preserve permissions with rsync? you need to be logged in with UID 0 for rsync to be able to set perms. Hmmm... i guess you could make the user UID 0 in /home/foo/etc/passwd bryc3c: toddf : IIRC, my KB does show cores at $2 per core the reason i think i hesitated from putting it in the power ups is b/c SMP isn't supported on all guests (like, OpenBSD barfs). maybe i need to get over that. | [02:35] |
| CaZe | Poor OpenBSD. | [02:41] |
| up_the_irons | to be honest, I don't remember what I meant by "Dedicated CPU resources", i wrote that like 3.5 years ago... ;) I probably was contrasting KVM/QEMU to something like OpenVZ, which doesn't really dedicate resources
mercutio: "todd: i wonder if you're on a newer cpu than me" <-- negative. All 26 servers have the exact same specs Now, the *27th* server is the 2nd gen build that several of you have requested to beta I have had people report that multiple cores did in fact increase their app performance (e.g. Minecraft server) | [02:41] |
| CaZe | How many VMs on average run on each server? Just out of curiosity. | [02:45] |
| up_the_irons | it seems a lot easier to bottleneck a disk than a cpu; that is indeed where we see the bulk of load
CaZe: it really depends on the server and nature of VMs. but it isn't hard to get 20 on a box. with a ton of cores and RAM, i bet you could do 60 VMs running screen+irssi pretty easily ;) but i've never tried | [02:45] |
| CaZe | Oh, that would be me right now. | [02:50] |
| up_the_irons | lol | [02:51] |
| CaZe | If I want to change to six month billing, do I just create a support ticket? | [02:54] |
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| up_the_irons | CaZe: yup | [03:10] |
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| phlux | which leads me to beg the question: if i want to switch to no billing (re: free vps) do i just create a support ticket? | [03:20] |
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| up_the_irons | lol
phlux: i think that is equivalent to cancelation ;) | [03:53] |
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| mercutio | up_the_irons: cpu is l5420 or something isn't it?
up: you should be able to do 200+ vm's with screen/irssi screen/irssi 256mb 200 on a 64gb box like 8x8gb | [04:26] |
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| jbergstroem | you dont need 256m ram for irrsi :)
a slim kernel and tiny linux shoudl work with 56m or something | [05:21] |
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| mercutio | yeh
until you run apt-get | [06:20] |
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| ryk | up_the_irons: i think you did mention the rsync difficulty last time we talked about that.
call them up and ask how they get around that :) | [07:05] |
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| qbit | you guys should totally send the vps ssh fingerprints in the welcome email
hai ryk for i in $( ls /etc/ssh/ssh_host_* ); do ssh-keygen -l -f $i; done somelikethat | [07:45] |
| kraigu | and sign the same email, since if you're gonna be paranoid... ;) | [07:49] |
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| bryc3c | heh
bryc3c thinks up_the_irons keeps some odd hours | [08:38] |
| bryc3c pokes support@... emailed Monday, still no response | [08:51] | |
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| qbit | so - a new vps i just got seems to have taken out an ip of have in one of my blocks | [09:55] |
| bryc3c | qbit: please try English again | [09:55] |
| qbit | i had two vps's one with extra 5 ips
and i just got a new vps ( technically 4 because the 5th was used by said vps ) but the new vps used teh 4th ip from that block reducing my number of ips from 4 to 3 | [09:56] |
| bryc3c | as is policy iirc | [09:57] |
| qbit | sadpanda
mk | [09:57] |
| bryc3c | bryc3c consults the faq | [09:57] |
| qbit | qbit consults the espresso machine | [09:57] |
| bryc3c | but imma leave it up to up_the_irons to answer for reals since I haven't found what I'm looking for, yet
closest I found was http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/vps/are-private-ip-addresses-available-for-vps-to-vps-communication qbit: does you show an additional block under IP_BLOCK in your portal? Maybe you were given another address, but it automatically setup the VPS with a different one (first available, from your /29) in which case, just change the IP settings and be happy | [09:58] |
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| qbit | i do have IP_BLOCK
but the new vps used the nexta avail from said block | [10:08] |
| bryc3c | qbit: and IP_BLOCK doesn't listed any new addresses? | [10:09] |
| qbit | use your english! | [10:10] |
| bryc3c | damnit 10:10:32 ::: #arpnetworks You're not a channel operator | [10:10] |
| qbit | no :P it lists the range it should - but the new vps took next avail
ha pwnt | [10:10] |
| bryc3c | *doesn't list any new or additional IP addresses? | [10:10] |
| qbit | no
i had 4 - now i have 3 | [10:10] |
| bryc3c | Well then.. either wait for up_the_irons to respond, or email support@... or maybe someone else here with more knowledge can help
bryc3c is getting aggravated by the lack of a response from support | [10:11] |
| qbit | qbit looks at how long devio.us has had no "support" | [10:13] |
| CaZe | hehehe devio.us | [10:13] |
| bryc3c | qbit: eh? what do you mean... we have admins@devio.us and I see every one of those emails. | [10:13] |
| qbit | update support
it's still 4.7 | [10:14] |
| bryc3c | yeah that's not the same problem | [10:14] |
| qbit | hence the quotes | [10:14] |
| bryc3c | and bitch all you want... apparently it's not going to do anything | [10:14] |
| qbit | yep | [10:15] |
| bryc3c | bryc3c has had long emails and phone calls with Dan begging to let me update wolfman... not gonna happen
bryc3c fights for the users | [10:15] |
| CaZe | Did you guys ever get that premium server going? | [10:15] |
| qbit | nope
well "going" | [10:15] |
| bryc3c | CaZe: the servers are up and running... | [10:15] |
| qbit | bryc3c has logins
but no one else does | [10:15] |
| bryc3c | But we don't have the new admin stuffs written and therefore cannot add accounts or anything
Also this hardly seems like the right place for a #devious discussion | [10:15] |
| qbit | yeah - your comment about the service reminded me i was gonna cancel :D | [10:16] |
| bryc3c | heh | [10:17] |
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| bryc3c | bryc3c no longer so annoyed with the lack of response, thx up_the_irons | [13:51] |
| up_the_irons | :)
ryk: lol, or just order a vps ;) qbit: that's not a bad idea. email feedback@arpnetworks.com and i'll put it in the feature requests queue :) qbit: bryc3c is right; IPs for any / all services come from your account's IP block(s), they are not assigned to individual VPS' | [13:53] |
| qbit | cool | [13:57] |
| brycec | up_the_irons: but does ordering an additional VPS not include an additional /30? | [13:57] |
| up_the_irons | brycec: no, it does not. first service of anything you order (vps, colo, dedi, etc...) includes a /30, then after that, IPs must be purchased (usually $1 per IP)
a /30 per VPS would waste a lot of IP space | [13:59] |
| brycec | heh, gotit. Exactly what I was trying to confirm (for qbit) :) | [14:00] |
| up_the_irons | :) | [14:00] |
| qbit | yay
thanks for the clarification | [14:00] |
| up_the_irons | np | [14:00] |
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| brycec | up_the_irons: Same question on IPv6 - /64 shared across all VPS? | [14:01] |
| qbit | lol
if you need more than a /64 mind blown | [14:01] |
| up_the_irons | brycec: yup
must have http://www.welovefine.com/3471-what-happens-on-the-holodeck.html | [14:02] |
| qbit | ha that's awesome | [14:03] |
| brycec | haha a certain busty friend of mine has a similar shirt - LCARS design with the same saying. | [14:03] |
| qbit | lol the "expendable" one is awesome too | [14:04] |
| brycec | thanks up_the_irons for handling the upgrade
(if you hadn't matched IRC nick to email yet...) | [14:07] |
| toddf | so... let it be known .. that even though openbsd introduced a fix for some broken soekris mpbios that should help arpnetworks kvms as a side effect, the real effect is that you can install and boot a standard kernel on arpnetworks kvms yet it gets watchdog timeouts on em0 and network interfaces and then freezes. probably chews a bit of cpu also. the fix? the same old workaround: 'disable mpbios' ;-(
with the 'disable mpbios' even 'virtio' networking works fine | [14:09] |
| jdoe | oh, they have virtio networking too? | [14:11] |
| toddf | as of post 5.2
disk support too though bios in the current production kvms at arpnetworks does not support hooks to boot openbsd off virtio disk (apparently freebsd also) | [14:12] |
| up_the_irons | brycec: np! | [14:13] |
| jdoe | toddf: doh, figured that wouldn't make it into 5.2 | [14:15] |
| up_the_irons | brycec: yeah i made the nick connection | [14:15] |
| toddf | when I'm done decompressing from moving my office and now colo-move in progress, I'll focus on getting it into the installation media also .. if someone else doesn't beat me to it ;-) | [14:15] |
| up_the_irons | toddf: it'll be interesting if the beta VM (newer kvm/qemu/bios) will fix the mpbios issue | [14:16] |
| toddf | now that I have working net and disk (after futzing with tests up_the_iron was gracious enough to let me do) its full steam ahead to move my colo to arpnetworks ;-) | [14:16] |
| up_the_irons | how much colo? I'm getting kinda low on space atm... | [14:17] |
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| up_the_irons | cd $food | [14:20] |
| toddf | up_the_irons: apparently its a buggy release of the bios, so it'll just depend on whether or not the bios is past that release fix or not
up_the_irons: my 2nd vps that I was futzing with the virtio disk/net recently will replace my colo .. so no worries its just a matter of me having time to transfer services, renumber various things in dns after verifying things are up and working, you know, typical seamless migration strategies and all | [14:21] |
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| phlux | @up_the_iron+│ phlux: i think that is equivalent to cancelation ;)
booo | [15:48] |
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| bryc3c | no freebies for you! | [16:13] |
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| mercutio | oh todd you got network going with virtio!
is there a workaround for the disk ting? i care about network more then disk :) they're already doing post 5.2 changes the changelog show that now, oops :) | [16:45] |
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| up_the_irons | toddf: the newer kvm/qemu uses a whole new bios (SeaBIOS instead of Bochs)
toddf: ah, to replace colo, good idea phlux: lol | [17:14] |
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| up_the_irons | why oh why, Lucid, did you break the 'inet6 static' stanza in interface(8) ?
*interfaces | [18:31] |
| phlux | man, i was using kdm to log me into i3, and i found out it was using 100% of one of my cpus
my load averages were in the 1.5 range with i3, 4 instances of urxvt, google-chrome, thunderbird, and keepassx. i knew something was wrong with that. disabled kdm and networkmanager, and i'm sitting at 0.12 now with all of that loaded free -m: -/+ buffers/cache: 604 7136 woot that's awesome | [18:33] |
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| bryc3c | up_the_irons: Have you seen novnc? It's a javascript/html5 vnc client. Seems like it would be a good fit for the portal. http://kanaka.github.com/noVNC/noVNC/vnc.html | [23:24] |
| up_the_irons | bryc3c: i think i have
bryc3c: something like that will eventually make its way to the portal bryc3c: that looks pretty sweet actually.. i'd need that bridge thingy though wow, the screenshots show it used with an ipad now, that's, hot | [23:29] |
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