#arpnetworks 2012-10-01,Mon

up_the_irons

that host has been running our cacti server, and a couple other things, for a couple months now. i think it's pretty stable at this point. i still gotta give it a couple more reboots to make sure some things start on boot, but that's about it.

toddf

if you want to provide new bios with vio disk and vio + em on my latest vps I'd be happy to test.

mercutio

can i get a beta vm to try out the virtio up_the_irons ?

up_the_irons

mercutio: yeah, send me a support ticket with what you want. you'll need an available IP (or use IPv6)
so specify which IP to assign

[14:56]

mercutio

oh yip

[14:57]

up_the_irons

toddf: i would have to migrate the VM to the new host (unless there is nothing on it that you need, i'll just reprovision it there, without migration [faster for me])

[14:57]

mercutio

well i just want to test the virtual i/o :)

[14:57]

toddf

mercutio: you'd have to install w/out virtual i/o given the ramdisks don't provide it by default yet

[14:58]

mercutio

toddf: i understand that
i thought you needed custom kernel

[14:58]

toddf

up_the_irons: I've done nothing but a basic re-install. feel free to reprovision to new host ;-)
mercutio: GENERIC as of last month has virtual io by default. disk + net supported.

[14:58]

mercutio

oh wow
that's really something :)

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mercutio

it's the same vlan right up_the_irons ?

toddf

thats why he said you'd need a spare IPv4 IP or just use IPv6

mercutio

yip
ok

up_the_irons

mercutio: yeah same vlan

mercutio

sent email

up_the_irons

mercutio: roger. don't expect it quick; 1st of the month so billing + accounting takes priority for a few days :)

mercutio

all good

up_the_irons

mercutio: but i'm genuinly interested in more people beta testing it. only jpalmer signed up so far (and i have a feeling hasn't really used it ;)

mercutio

heh
i just want to check out the virtio
cos i have a feeling it's slowing things down
but i don't want to go and stick ubuntu on or soemthing to check
it's pretty smooth slow though

[15:03]

up_the_irons

if everything goes well, that server will become the new model (2nd generation) for our vps hosting services. faster, lower power usage, more ram, cheaper, newer OS, and newer kvm/qemu!

mercutio

it's not like really fast.. then huge huge delays

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mercutio

heh
have you looked into spice?
btw linux 3.6 just came out
they removed the route cache

up_the_irons

not much

mercutio

and it's meant to be a "long time" version

up_the_irons

why is that?

http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=89aef8921bfbac22f00e04f8450f6e447db13e42

mercutio

the route cache was often leading to performance degradation
i think it's like less code probably just to not cache routes
and optimise the lookups
or at least more deterministic

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up_the_irons

mercutio: interesting stuff

[15:08]

mercutio

i'm actually surprised how many improvements have been going into linux networking code recently
like linux 3.6 is quite far ahead of linux 2.6.18
oh 2.6.18 is 5 years old
err, 6 years old

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toddf

mercutio: I'm not. linux networking code has always been a game of 'oh it is busted, lets re-write, re-do, re-vamp, re-org, newer is always better'. It's hilarious from a bsd perspective where incremental changes over decades tend to provide solid robust dependable performance ;-)
"I'm not" -> aka surprised

[15:10]

mercutio

heh
i remember in like linux 2.2 days having a bug where i had to disable timestamps
or lose connectivity to lots of hosts
i think it was 2.2
linux 2.0 was more bsd like in their networking though wasn't it?
but yeah lot sof the linux stuff recently is outside implemented "good ideas"
like tcp small queues, tcp fast open, byte queue limits

[15:10]

up_the_irons

mercutio: toddf : yeah i've looked into linux networking code when i started our vps platform, to learn about vlans, bridging, etc... (everything that goes into making our networking stack hum), and i must say it was pretty shitty. yet, it still works. So, if it is shitty and works, is it still shitty? you be the judge. i use it b/c it is pragmatic, but, for example, FreeBSD's networking

mercutio

lnstat -s1 -i1 -c-1 -f rt_cache

up_the_irons

code is so much cleaner and makes more sense

mercutio

apparently that command will show information about the rout ecache

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mercutio

i've only looked at openbsd and linux for any period of time
but i was surprised how hard i found linux's code
after looking at openbsd's code

[15:14]

toddf

up_the_irons: I don't argue that it works. it's just 'fun' to see it constantly changing .. hard to have that much change and not have hiccups and burps along the way ;-)

[15:14]

mercutio

i'm also amused by how much quicker openbsd builds than linux

[15:14]

up_the_irons

toddf: for sure

[15:15]

toddf

the linux kernel tree is roughly the size of the openbsd base + kernel .. though that might be skewed from the past.

[15:15]

mercutio

toddf: it's probably bigger now
# du -sh ./
891M ./
erk
that was /usr/src/linux
(cvs)-[src]-# du -sh ./
400M ./
there's lusca in that second one too for some reason
but anyway
linux is huge
i think freebsd is bigger than openbsd though

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jdoe

comparing source code trees is silly, since ~95% of the linux kernel is drivers.

[15:43]

kraigu

drivers have never caused problems though

jdoe

up_the_irons: are you looking for any particular OS for testers?

kraigu

not that you're wrong, but...

up_the_irons

jdoe: i'll take anything

http://www.phluxbox.com/img/i3_irc_fullscreen_demo.png

jdoe

up_the_irons: uh, alright, count me in I guess.
what am I testing? Haha.

[15:47]

up_the_irons

jdoe: it's a newer kvm/qemu with newer base OS
jdoe: i'm mainly judging the stability of the VMs and host
jdoe: so i would say, load up what you're familiar with, and use it normally
jdoe: send support@ a request with a free IP address (or IPv6) and which OS you want pre-loaded (or ISO if you wanna do it yourself)

[15:48]

jdoe

sent.

[15:51]

Lefty

I'll test too
I love new shit

[15:52]

bryc3c

I'll test... as soon as I have an account/vps :)

[15:55]

Lefty

up_the_irons: sent

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up_the_irons

Lefty: cool
bryc3c: it's coming, just a little busy today

[16:25]

bryc3c

up_the_irons: no worries, I'm not pressing. I figured you'd be slammed with new orders, especially last-minute orders (and on top of today being accounting day...)

[16:27]

up_the_irons

bryc3c: yup, pretty much :)

[16:27]

bryc3c

bryc3c was a last-minute order

[16:27]

Lefty

also, o/ bryc3c

[16:29]

bryc3c

hey Lefty
(and many others whom I know from #devious )

[16:29]

Lefty

heh
birds of a feather, and all that

[16:29]

bryc3c

More like "it's all your fault that I'm here, what with how much y'all like ARP Networks and won't shutup"

[16:30]

up_the_irons

LOL

[16:34]

phlux

well, here's my first attempt with tiling wms: http://www.phluxbox.com/img/i3arp.png

[16:35]

up_the_irons

phlux: what font is that in weechat? (i think i asked u that before...) man it looks good
i swear, i gotta upgrade my urxvt so that ttf's look better

[16:37]

phlux

up_the_irons: it's either DejaVu Sans Mono or Liberation Mono..I'm not sure which one it's defaulting to in my .Xresources to be completely honest

[16:38]

up_the_irons

phlux: nice status bar too
phlux: roger

[16:38]

phlux

thanks :)
I don't know why it says "No battery"
I've gotta figure that one out

[16:38]

up_the_irons

lol

[16:39]

phlux

[16:43]

mhoran

weeeeeeeechat!
weechat-android makes me happy, which is why I use it.
I miss irssi color schemes though.

[16:52]

jlgaddis

lol
#dicks
jlgaddis won't ask

[16:53]

mhoran

Hah.

[16:53]

phlux

troll channel haha
those guys are hilarious

jlgaddis

suuuuure

mhoran

Uh huh.

phlux

lol
oh well, no way to talk myself out of this one

mhoran

It's cool, we won't judge.

phlux

lol
i'm going to make it a point to hide that channel from now on :P

up_the_irons

LOL
phlux: wow, that full screen is sick. I have 1 pixel borders with xmonad, wonder if I could make 'em go away...
mhoran: there's weechat-android?!
omg
my life is complete

[16:59]

phlux

up_the_irons: i had to upgrade to i3 4.3 to get rid of those borders in urxvt

jdoe

up_the_irons: I think you can do no-border, but... it's nice to see which window is active.

phlux

jdoe: i have borders when not in full screen

up_the_irons

phlux: interesting
jdoe: yeah, i wanna toggle it

phlux

found my problem with the battery

jdoe

up_the_irons: http://xmonad.org/xmonad-docs/xmonad-contrib/XMonad-Layout-NoBorders.html
might still have my config somewhere.

[17:02]

up_the_irons

jdoe: woot

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Lefty

I prefer awesomewm these days

[17:05]

jdoe

I like how ridiculously configurable xmonad is. I hate how it's ridiculously configurable.... in haskell.

[17:05]

mhoran

up_the_irons: Yeah, it's fantastic!
And the guy is on #weechat-android, he's super responsive.
I've annoyed him with a lot of bug reports.
Living on the bleeding edge because it fixes some issues I've been having, and also provides weechat SSL (or SSH tunnel) for protecting relay traffic.

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dr_jkl

ugh
something is missing from my life

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jdoe

haha.
I feel so boring for running irssi :P
jdoe wishes irssi dev wasn't dead.

[17:11]

jlgaddis

hrm... started out w/ ircII, moved to epic, then to irssi. irc hasn't evolved much over the last ~17 years or so. =)

[17:13]

jdoe

no, but there are still things to do.
and worse, some of the useful stuff on their TODO list is half-implemented.
eg /ignore NO_ACT
where you want to ignore activity updates in a channel, but not ignore the actual text.

[17:15]

kraigu

jdoe: patches accepted? ;)

[17:17]

jdoe

I patched it :P

[17:20]

phlux

weird..acpi won't get a reading above 95% on my battery

[17:20]

kraigu

well, there you go then :D

[17:20]

phlux

odd, i can no longer see the look of disapproval in urxvt in i3 o_O

[17:33]

bryc3c

sounds like fun with fonts :/
I have yet to get my urxvt happy with fonts (in awesome) :(

[17:34]

phlux

i thought urxvt's fonts were independent of the de/wm

[17:34]

bryc3c

You'd think... I blame Xresources.
ಠ_ಠjust looks like a couple of squares to me

[17:34]

phlux

I use the same .Xresources for both :(
yeah it looks the same here too
oh wait, i bet i know what it is..

[17:35]

bryc3c

If you get it working again, lemme know! I haven't had the time to fight with it...

[17:35]

mercutio

jlg: i used epic for ages
and thirdeye
ircii looks pretty dull by default with no colour
hey phlux how do you show the bar on the left?

[17:36]

phlux

mercutio: buffers.pl

mercutio

oh
you mean i have to code it myself?

phlux

mercutio: nah, it's a script on their website

mercutio

oh
i wish there was /exec

phlux

mercutio: shell.py :P

[17:39]

mercutio

how do you load the script
i'm not finding /load or /script to work

[17:39]

phlux

/perl load /path/to/script

[17:40]

mercutio

col
cool
that worked
hmm
is there soem easy way to get to windows above 10?

[17:40]

bryc3c

try alt-q through alt-o

[17:41]

mercutio

nothing

bryc3c

s/alt/meta/

mercutio

^P/^N work

bryc3c

At least that's what irssi does. Figured weechat might do same

meingtsla

irssi or weechat?

dr_jkl

does esape work and not meta?
like in irssi?

mercutio

but jumping to 12 from 2

meingtsla

weechat is alt+j ##

mercutio

is annoying

dr_jkl

or did they have to change it for no fucking reason other than to be different

mercutio

oh
alt-j needs 02
to go to 2
it does look nicer with that..

phlux

i got it back, bryc3c
haha

bryc3c

phlux: congrats!

phlux

bryc3c: git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/lohit.git

mercutio

i only heard of weechat recently ;)

phlux

go into the lohit dir, ./generate.sh; cp kannada/*.ttf ~/.fonts/
that'll get the look of disapproval looking right at least :P

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bryc3c

phlux: priorities and all ;)

[17:45]

phlux

woah
getting the lod should be top priority

[17:45]

mercutio

i want the hilighting when someone says your name to be wider

bryc3c

۞_۞How does this look?

jlgaddis

*beep*

mercutio

cos at the moment it's inverse video but there's like no width
err no margin