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[01:33] <up_the_irons> nixbag: nice nick ;)
[01:34] * up_the_irons is playing around with Gentoo
[01:34] <nixbag> up_the_irons: ty :) stands for the two things i love most. *nix OS's and footbag.
[01:34] <up_the_irons> nixbag: LOL!
[01:34] <up_the_irons> nixbag: makes sense!
[01:34] <nixbag> <--- pinkus
[01:34] <up_the_irons> nixbag: yeah i could tell from your IP ;)
[01:35] <nixbag> haha, you hacker.
[01:35] <up_the_irons> No installer in Gentoo; LOL, you have to get down and dirty.  love it
[01:36] <nixbag> i just recently tried the arch install method. my first time having to chroot to get a system bootable.
[01:36] <nixbag> i'm a ways from trying gentoo :)
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[01:37] <nixbag> freebsd is nice so far, but i'm still more familiar with linux right now.
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[01:40] <nixbag> i'm moving back to cali in a month or two.
[01:42] <up_the_irons> nixbag: nice!
[01:42] <up_the_irons> nixbag: so you tried archlinux?
[01:42] <nixbag> up_the_irons: yeah that's what i have on my home desktop at the moment.
[01:42] <up_the_irons> SpaceDump: not sure if you noticed, but we're part of the NLNOG RING now :)
[01:43] <up_the_irons> nixbag: oh nice, how do you like it?  is pacman a good package manager?
[01:43] <nixbag> up_the_irons: pacman itself is nice, but i've run into a circular dependency problem on day 1.
[01:43] <nixbag> up_the_irons: so it's maybe not quite as good as apt.
[01:44] <nixbag> up_the_irons: it also lacks many packages, but things like abs (kinda like ports/portage) and AUR make up for it.
[01:44] <SpaceDump> up_the_irons: I saw the mail. Great! :D
[01:45] <up_the_irons> SpaceDump: :)
[01:45] <up_the_irons> nixbag: ah cool
[01:45] <nixbag> up_the_irons: i still prefer apt and will probably go back to debian in a month.
[01:46] <up_the_irons> nixbag: apt is alright; somewhat messy but it is practical.  i hardly ever have problems and updates take seconds.
[01:49] <nixbag> up_the_irons: have you ever used dwm or i3 window managers?
[01:49] <LT> the thing that bothered me about arch last time I tried it is none of the packages are signed
[01:50] <up_the_irons> nixbag: no, i've used: fvwm2, wmii, and (currently) xmonad
[01:50] <up_the_irons> LT: no signed packages??  dang
[01:50] <nixbag> LT: yeah arch is bad at security.
[01:50] <up_the_irons> well, jeez
[01:51] <nixbag> i think arch is just a 'use at your own risk' distros with emphasis on minimalism for desktop use.
[01:51] <up_the_irons> how can i make a template for arch if I don't even know the files I'm getting are legit
[01:51] <nixbag> up_the_irons: i wanted to try xmonad, i have heard nothing but good things about it.
[01:52] <up_the_irons> nixbag: been using it for years now; it's the shiznitz
[01:53] <nixbag> i'll give it a try. it's gotta be more convenient to configure than dwm
[01:54] <nixbag> but i am at work now and tomorrow, so i have to wait until saturday.
[01:55] <nixbag> up_the_irons: have you gone to any concerts lately?
[01:55] <up_the_irons> nixbag: lol, actually configuring xmonad involves writing Haskell; so, "convenient" is relative
[01:56] <up_the_irons> nixbag: no, been way too busy; i even missed Maiden in august, and that's like the first time in 8 years
[01:56] <nixbag> oh haha. with dwm you need to edit the config.h in the source, thenr ecompile.
[01:56] <up_the_irons> nixbag: what about u?
[01:56] <nixbag> then recompile*
[01:56] <up_the_irons> yeah, xmonad is a recompile too, but it's very quick
[01:57] <nixbag> last concert i was at was maiden when they were at the Forum.
[01:58] <nixbag> which was a good many years ago.
[01:58] <up_the_irons> whoa
[01:58] <up_the_irons> i was there too
[01:58] <up_the_irons> too bad we didn't coordinate!
[01:59] <up_the_irons> i was in the pit, where for the first time i saw many people just trying not to get killed
[01:59] <nixbag> haha wow
[01:59] <up_the_irons> the forum pit is brutal (way too big).  the pit in irvine is way better (very small)
[01:59] <up_the_irons> not enough people too push or trample you, lol
[01:59] <up_the_irons> *to
[02:00] <nixbag> yeah i'd hate to get trampled.
[02:00] <nixbag> up_the_irons: have you heard of a company called Cerner?
[02:01] <up_the_irons> nixbag: no
[02:01] <nixbag> they do programming training, and i think they do a lot of medical programs.
[02:01] <nixbag> there are a few of them in cali, and even one here in missouri.
[02:02] <nixbag> might be the easiest way for me to get a foot into programming.
[02:02] <nixbag> i've used the most popular medical programs that i think they work on.
[02:03] <up_the_irons> nixbag: oh that's a nice angle
[02:03] <nixbag> so i know the software from the user perspective.
[02:06] <nixbag> maybe hospitals don't use linux because there is no linux equivalent software.
[02:06] <nixbag> and if there isn't, that could be a huge opportunity.
[02:08] <up_the_irons> nixbag: you should talk to jpalmer, he manages IT equipment in hospitals
[02:09] <nixbag> hospital IT is definitely another interest for me :)
[02:09] <nixbag> but i have to build up some experience first.
[02:09] <up_the_irons> yeah
[02:10] <nixbag> what does entry level entail nowadays?
[02:10] <nixbag> network+ certification? or higher?
[02:11] <nixbag> for hospitals, i would guess microsoft certification. havent seen any hospitals that don't use windows.
[02:16] <up_the_irons> nixbag: no idea
[02:22] <up_the_irons> anyone know a good sFlow collector for Linux?
[02:24] <LT> inmon traffic sentinel but it's $$$
[02:26] <up_the_irons> i c
[02:27] <LT> though if you're only collecting from a few devices it might not be too bad, it's once you jump to the unlimited device license the cost rockets iirc
[02:30] <LT> you could try qosient argus - sflow support in it is relatively new and I haven't tried it, but it works for other things
[02:31] <LT> otherwise it's possible to use sflowtools to translate sflow to netflow and use various netflow frontends
[02:39] <up_the_irons> ah interesting
[02:39] <up_the_irons> i just wanna play around with sflow on my foundry switch
[02:39] <up_the_irons> never had a switch have hardware sflow that didn't require an expensive add-on card ;)
[02:40] <LT> didn't you get some extreme stuff as well? thought they all did hardware sflow
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[02:54] <up_the_irons> LT: i do have one extreme switch i got a while back.  never looked into the sflow on it.  perhaps you're right
[02:55] <up_the_irons> i have the X350
[02:58] <LT> I know the X450 does, so would be surprised if the X350 didn't, but I couldn't say without looking it up. see if show sflow does anything
[03:03] <up_the_irons> success
[03:03] <up_the_irons> s6.lax.1 # sh sflow
[03:03] <up_the_irons> SFLOW Global Configuration
[03:03] <up_the_irons> Global Status: disabled
[03:03] <up_the_irons> ...
[03:03] <up_the_irons> LT: ^
[03:04] <up_the_irons> dang, nice
[03:07] <mercutio> there's meant to be a sflow to netflow convertor
[03:10] <jlgaddis> i wrote some sflow -> mysql stuff when i was at the .edu, dunno if i still have copies of it or not
[03:30] <nixbag> up_the_irons: time to wrap up my shift then head home. i'll come by here more often :)
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[03:35] <kraigu> up_the_irons: if you do go with sflow -> netflow, I can't recommend nfdump and netflow-indexer enough
[03:36] <kraigu> I use both of them daily, so nice.
[03:36] <kraigu> https://github.com/JustinAzoff/netflow-indexer and http://nfdump.sourceforge.net/
[03:37] <kraigu> you might find talk of flow-tools; it doesn't support ipv6 and its language is kind of nice but also kind of weird anyway.
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[11:03] <fink> freebsd is the king of nixes
[11:03] <segv> meh
[11:03] <segv> I say netbsd on my gamecube was
[11:04] <segv> but then again netbsd runs on pretty much anything
[11:04] <fink> segv: that sounds awesome
[11:04] <milki> gamecube -.-
[11:04] <segv> haha
[11:04] <fink> i have a gen1 xbox, what should i do with it?
[11:04] <segv> Install everything you can on it till it breaks
[11:04] <jdoe> throw it away?
[11:04] <fink> i want a practical purpose
[11:04] <jdoe> doorstop.
[11:04] <jdoe> paperweight.
[11:05] <segv> cat annoyance device?
[11:05] <jdoe> fill it with lead and make a boat anchor.
[11:05] <segv> have a cd tray eject every Nth minutes
[11:05] <fink> jdoe: i like the concept of giving life to old electronics, rather than sending it to a landfill
[11:05] <milki> i have a gen1 xbox too, the dvd drive is broken -.-
[11:05] <segv> "damn
[11:05] <segv> I had my desktop do that
[11:05] <milki> if you can install xbmc on it, you wont need the dvd drive
[11:06] <segv> had a webcam aimed at my desktop and watched my cats try to destroy it
[11:06] <milki> LOL
[11:06] <segv> I got one of those cool 2-way webcams
[11:06] <segv> was like 80 bucks on newegg
[11:07] <segv> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1JW0F03762&nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_-
[11:07] <milki> ugh
[11:08] <milki> i hate that foscam model
[11:08] <segv> Why?
[11:08] <milki> the software was so kludgy
[11:08] <fink> segv: works with freebsd?
[11:08] <segv> milki: ah what did you replace it with?
[11:08] <milki> it has its own web interface for controls
[11:08] <milki> we didnt
[11:08] <milki> it was for a project
[11:08] <segv> ah
[11:08] <milki> so we just cried and used perl to access the api
[11:08] <segv> haha
[11:09] <segv> Perl shouldn't make you cry.
[11:09] <milki> nope, but the api does
[11:09] <segv> haha
[11:09] <segv> I have many API's that make me cringe.
[11:09] <segv> Like googles Adwords SOAP api :(
[11:12] <RandalSchwartz> if the answer is SOAP you asked the wrong question :)
[11:12] <fink> hi RandalSchwartz
[11:12] <RandalSchwartz> hey
[11:12] <segv> haha
[11:12] <milki> soap was cool for a while
[11:12] <fink> RandalSchwartz: finally back, you are
[11:13] <RandalSchwartz> yeah, I keep forgetting to join this channel when I'm back from having left. :)
[11:13] <fink> could really have used your help a couple months ago, when my zfs on root upgrade hosed the boot blocks on my vps
[11:13] <fink> or, you could update your blog…
[11:13] <milki> lol
[11:13] <milki> so much demand for RandalSchwartz
[11:14] <segv> haha
[11:14] <segv> what happens when you're RandalSchwartz
[11:17] <fink> i guess your life is like a constant gangnam style music video
[11:18] <RandalSchwartz> I update G+ now
[11:18] <RandalSchwartz> and it flows to twitter and facebook
[11:18] <segv> yay
[11:18] <RandalSchwartz> I have about 19k followers on G_+
[11:19] <segv> I love that, get to update everything w/out having to update it everywhere on your own
[11:19] <RandalSchwartz> oh - only 18k
[11:22] <fink> pshaw, peanuts
[11:23] <fink> i have 18K
[11:23] <segv> I have hmm
[11:23] <segv> I barely use google plus
[11:23] <segv> well I barely use social media in the first place
[11:23] <fink> segv: it's ok to be a recluse
[11:23] <segv> well, i'm not a recluse, just have nothing useful to say
[11:24] <segv> I'm a systems engineer by day, lazy mofo by night haha
[11:25] <kraigu> fink: it's cheating if they're the pornbots
[11:25] <fink> segv: so, what are your friday night plans?
[11:25] <segv> Sleep.
[11:25] <fink> kraigu: SHHH
[11:25] <fink> segv: tron marathon in the basement?
[11:25] <segv> But, being in san francisco
[11:25] <RandalSchwartz> ... https://plus.google.com/photos/114918475211209783081/albums/5790660769668722321/5790660771634129586
[11:25] <segv> I should go do something
[11:25] <fink> segv: SF? omg you could actually LARP tron!
[11:25] <segv> yes, yes I could.
[11:25] <segv> I've seen hack the planet reenacted (the phonebooth scene) before.
[11:25] <segv> That was ridiculous
[11:26] <segv> Don't get a bunch of drunk infosec people together....
[11:27] <kraigu> they have to be drunk?
[11:27] <segv> not always
[11:27] <segv> but its definitely funnier when they are
[11:28] <kraigu> nah
[11:28] <fink> kraigu: it's better when they are, or at least you are
[11:28] <kraigu> just YOU hav... yeah
[11:28] <kraigu> a state of being I aspire to
[11:28] <segv> I am still hungover from last night x-x
[11:28] <kraigu> this week has been one of those months
[11:28] <fink> RandalSchwartz: i +1d you
[11:28] <fink> not that you'd notice, with your legion of followers
[11:28] <segv> kraigu: Indeed it has
[11:29] <RandalSchwartz> yeay!
[11:40] <segv> sore throat fail, i haven't been able to kick this cold for a week and a half
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[12:02] <fink> segv: go running, then bundle up, take a shitload of nyquil, and sweat it out while you sleep
[12:02] <fink> in the morning, you'll be drenched, but it will be gone
[12:02] <fink> also, drink a lot of water
[12:02] <segv> i've been chugging water like i've been standing under a waterfall
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[12:19] <segv> What would you guys recommend over cacti, I have about 40 switches I need to monitor bandwidth on
[12:22] <jdoe> nagios?
[12:22] <jdoe> ... or mrtg, depending on what you mean by monitor bandwidth...
[12:22] <milki> why does sweating help?
[13:01] <segv> milki: it causes the body to expel the toxins in your system
[13:03] <andol> segv: I would say that you might want both mrtg/cacti as well as nagios.
[13:03] <segv> Already have nagios up and running not a big deal
[13:03] <segv> guess i'll go the cacti route
[13:05] <segv> just wondering if there was some new simpler tools out there, looking at bandwidthd right now
[13:12] <twobithacker> segv: Observium
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[13:20] <segv> ah
[13:20] <segv> nice
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[14:38] <Lefty> segv: also, collectd+graphite is so nice
[14:41] <up_the_irons> kraigu: ah, tnx for the netflow suggestions
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[14:45] <up_the_irons> RandalSchwartz: segv : is the G+ syndication to FB and Twitter built into G+ or a 3rd party app?
[14:46] <up_the_irons> RandalSchwartz: 19k followers on G+??  I didn't know G+ even had that many members ;)  OH SNAP..
[14:47] <milki> lol
[14:47] <milki> i thought everyone with a google account has a g+ account
[14:48] <up_the_irons> segv: what do you want to monitor on those switches?  Just bandwidth?
[14:49] <up_the_irons> we use cacti over here..
[14:50] <up_the_irons> but we don't have 40 switches (however, we do have hundreds of vlans)
[15:15] <segv> do you vlan off every machine?
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[15:21] <henderb> segv: I believe there is one vlan per customer
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[15:22] <segv> ah cool
[15:24] <pjs> Yea.. each client has all their instances on a private vlan.. which is pretty awesome
[15:26] <andol> Nice indeed!
[15:26] <segv> that's badass
[15:26] <segv> had no clue, but that rocks
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[15:40] <jdoe> lol
[15:40] <jdoe> (at sweating, toxins etc)
[15:41] <jdoe> sweating doesn't help directly, raising your body's temperature helps to kill bacterial shit (see also: fever)
[15:41] <jdoe> you can't sweat out a cold :P
[16:00] <RandalSchwartz> up_the_irons - my autoposter has many steps :)
[16:01] <RandalSchwartz> first, I had to look up the google API... found one for "search public posts"
[16:01] <RandalSchwartz> then I got a G+ API key
[16:01] <RandalSchwartz> then I wrote a pipes.yahoo.com recipe to perform the search and provide an RSS feed.
[16:01] <RandalSchwartz> then I feed that into twitterfeed.com, which knows how to post to twitter and facebook.
[16:01] <RandalSchwartz> that last part I could have used ifttt.com instead
[16:02] <RandalSchwartz> but I've used twitterfeed for far longer
[16:03] <up_the_irons> segv: indeed, the others speak the truth
[16:04] <segv> haha
[16:04] <segv> well yeah, I manage my wifes vps with you guys :p love this setup
[16:04] <up_the_irons> RandalSchwartz: oh i c
[16:04] <up_the_irons> segv: :)
[16:05] <RandalSchwartz> if only G+ had continued providing the RSS feed directly... :)
[16:23] <dr_jkl> mmm it's my birthday on monday :/
[16:23] <dr_jkl> idk what to do
[16:25] <RandalSchwartz> get older!
[16:27] <segv> dr_jkl: sleep.
[16:27] <segv> It helps with age.
[16:28] <up_the_irons> lol
[16:29] <segv> I am 27 and sleep feels like this all amazing thing i've been missing for a few years now
[16:32] <dr_jkl> i'll be 28. :p
[16:32] <dr_jkl> ive contemplated whoring out my amazon wishlist, but i doubt anything would ever come of it
[16:34] <mike-burns> I went to a rave in a warehouse in Brooklyn for my 28th birthday. I recommend it.
[16:34] <mike-burns> There was a unicorn.
[16:35] <up_the_irons> lol
[16:36] <jdoe> http://fashionindie.lookbooks.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/exterface_unicorn_03.jpg <-- did it look like that?
[16:36] <mike-burns> I wish.
[16:36] <up_the_irons> oh no that's just wrong
[16:37] <dr_jkl> heh, i can't do stuff like that
[16:37] <mike-burns> http://goo.gl/eLSB8 - it looked like this.
[16:38] <dr_jkl> the wishlist or the unicorn?
[16:38] <dr_jkl> oh the unicorn
[16:38] <dr_jkl> that's a hore with a party hat!
[16:38] <dr_jkl> lol
[16:38] <dr_jkl> horse lol
[16:48] <phlux> upgraded my laptop to 8gb of RAM today
[16:48] <phlux> pretty happy
[16:49] <phlux> i actually got this laptop in a bind when my old one went south..i wasn't planning on keeping this thing long, but i've kind of fallen in love with it, heh.
[16:49] <phlux> lenovo thinkpad edge
[16:49] <phlux> picked it up for like $300
[16:50] <phlux> (brand new)
[16:52] <jdoe> I just bumped mine to 8gb today too.
[16:52] <dr_jkl> lol,
[16:52] <dr_jkl> the ssd in my laptop is worth more than the laptop
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[16:57] <phlux> dr_jkl: i'm thinking of doing that exact same thing
[16:58] <phlux> but at least the ssd can travel with you when you move laptops
[16:58] <phlux> my ram probably won't
[16:58] <phlux> i mean, it's ddr3 now, but by the time i get tired of this thing/it breaks, something else will be out
[16:59] <dr_jkl> is it socially acceptable, near one's birthday, to whore out a wishlist on social media and see what happens?
[16:59] <phlux> yes
[16:59] <phlux> someone will definitely see it and be like "thank god, i was wondering wtf i was going to get him"
[16:59] <phlux> been there many times
[17:00] <dr_jkl> eh most people who know me irl dont know i have a twitter or a facebook
[17:00] <phlux> that's the only reason i have a twitter/fb
[17:00] <dr_jkl> i'm probably going to get lots of angry birds. at work i have many angry birds, they call me the angry bird girl
[17:11] <mikeputnam> dr_jkl: what make/model of laptop? do you run OpenBSD on it?
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[17:32] <dr_jkl> uh
[17:32] <dr_jkl> it's a cheap $300 lenovo running ubuntu
[17:40] <mikeputnam> <3 lenovo
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[19:02] <kraigu> up_the_irons: np. :D
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[22:31] <dr_jkl> arg
[22:31] <dr_jkl> bsd
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[23:06] <mnathani> Anyone have any domain suggestions for a site covering a wide array of technical topics?
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[23:11] <dzup> mnathani, elaborate?
[23:11] <milki> o, mnathani wants a good name
[23:11] <milki> >.<
[23:11] <milki> isnt there a website that does that for you
[23:12] <milki> it takes all the businessy web words and smashes them together
[23:12] <milki> http://www.dotomator.com/web20.html
[23:12] <milki> :o
[23:13] <milki> something like that -.-
[23:16] <mnathani> dzup: looking for a domain name I can register and pretty much what milki said
[23:28] <jlgaddis> i'll sell you mine for $25,000
[23:33] <milki> hehe
[23:34] <dzup> i paid 25k if your is facebook.com
[23:39] <dr_jkl> lol i pissed some people off a while ago
[23:40] <dr_jkl> i own testdoma.in, tempdoma.in, and exampledoma.in
[23:42] <dr_jkl> the only one i want to sell nobody has emailed about :(
[23:42] <jlgaddis> which one?
[23:42] <dr_jkl> justbetweensisters.com
[23:43] <jlgaddis> yeah, can't say i have a good use case for that one
[23:43] <jlgaddis> unless it involved porn
[23:57] <jlgaddis> dammit, you've got me looking at domains and the adwords tool again
[23:59] <dr_jkl> hah