#arpnetworks 2012-09-21,Fri

up_the_irons: pacman itself is nice, but i've run into a circular dependency problem on day 1.
up_the_irons: so it's maybe not quite as good as apt.
up_the_irons: it also lacks many packages, but things like abs (kinda like ports/portage) and AUR make up for it.

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SpaceDump

up_the_irons: I saw the mail. Great! :D

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up_the_irons

SpaceDump: :)
nixbag: ah cool

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nixbag

up_the_irons: i still prefer apt and will probably go back to debian in a month.

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up_the_irons

nixbag: apt is alright; somewhat messy but it is practical. i hardly ever have problems and updates take seconds.

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nixbag

up_the_irons: have you ever used dwm or i3 window managers?

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the thing that bothered me about arch last time I tried it is none of the packages are signed

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up_the_irons

nixbag: no, i've used: fvwm2, wmii, and (currently) xmonad
LT: no signed packages?? dang

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nixbag

LT: yeah arch is bad at security.

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up_the_irons

well, jeez

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nixbag

i think arch is just a 'use at your own risk' distros with emphasis on minimalism for desktop use.

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up_the_irons

how can i make a template for arch if I don't even know the files I'm getting are legit

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nixbag

up_the_irons: i wanted to try xmonad, i have heard nothing but good things about it.

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up_the_irons

nixbag: been using it for years now; it's the shiznitz

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nixbag

i'll give it a try. it's gotta be more convenient to configure than dwm
but i am at work now and tomorrow, so i have to wait until saturday.
up_the_irons: have you gone to any concerts lately?

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up_the_irons

nixbag: lol, actually configuring xmonad involves writing Haskell; so, "convenient" is relative
nixbag: no, been way too busy; i even missed Maiden in august, and that's like the first time in 8 years

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nixbag

oh haha. with dwm you need to edit the config.h in the source, thenr ecompile.

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up_the_irons

nixbag: what about u?

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nixbag

then recompile*

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up_the_irons

yeah, xmonad is a recompile too, but it's very quick

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nixbag

last concert i was at was maiden when they were at the Forum.
which was a good many years ago.

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up_the_irons

whoa
i was there too
too bad we didn't coordinate!
i was in the pit, where for the first time i saw many people just trying not to get killed

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nixbag

haha wow

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up_the_irons

the forum pit is brutal (way too big). the pit in irvine is way better (very small)
not enough people too push or trample you, lol
*to

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nixbag

yeah i'd hate to get trampled.
up_the_irons: have you heard of a company called Cerner?

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up_the_irons

nixbag: no

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nixbag

they do programming training, and i think they do a lot of medical programs.
there are a few of them in cali, and even one here in missouri.
might be the easiest way for me to get a foot into programming.
i've used the most popular medical programs that i think they work on.

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up_the_irons

nixbag: oh that's a nice angle

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nixbag

so i know the software from the user perspective.
maybe hospitals don't use linux because there is no linux equivalent software.
and if there isn't, that could be a huge opportunity.

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up_the_irons

nixbag: you should talk to jpalmer, he manages IT equipment in hospitals

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nixbag

hospital IT is definitely another interest for me :)
but i have to build up some experience first.

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up_the_irons

yeah

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nixbag

what does entry level entail nowadays?
network+ certification? or higher?
for hospitals, i would guess microsoft certification. havent seen any hospitals that don't use windows.

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up_the_irons

nixbag: no idea

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anyone know a good sFlow collector for Linux?

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inmon traffic sentinel but it's $$$

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up_the_irons

i c

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though if you're only collecting from a few devices it might not be too bad, it's once you jump to the unlimited device license the cost rockets iirc
you could try qosient argus - sflow support in it is relatively new and I haven't tried it, but it works for other things
otherwise it's possible to use sflowtools to translate sflow to netflow and use various netflow frontends

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up_the_irons

ah interesting
i just wanna play around with sflow on my foundry switch
never had a switch have hardware sflow that didn't require an expensive add-on card ;)

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didn't you get some extreme stuff as well? thought they all did hardware sflow

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up_the_irons

LT: i do have one extreme switch i got a while back. never looked into the sflow on it. perhaps you're right
i have the X350

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I know the X450 does, so would be surprised if the X350 didn't, but I couldn't say without looking it up. see if show sflow does anything

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up_the_irons

success
s6.lax.1 # sh sflow
SFLOW Global Configuration
Global Status: disabled
...
LT: ^
dang, nice

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mercutio

there's meant to be a sflow to netflow convertor

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jlgaddis

i wrote some sflow -> mysql stuff when i was at the .edu, dunno if i still have copies of it or not

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nixbag

up_the_irons: time to wrap up my shift then head home. i'll come by here more often :)

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kraigu

up_the_irons: if you do go with sflow -> netflow, I can't recommend nfdump and netflow-indexer enough
I use both of them daily, so nice.
https://github.com/JustinAzoff/netflow-indexer and http://nfdump.sourceforge.net/
you might find talk of flow-tools; it doesn't support ipv6 and its language is kind of nice but also kind of weird anyway.

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fink

freebsd is the king of nixes

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segv

meh
I say netbsd on my gamecube was
but then again netbsd runs on pretty much anything

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fink

segv: that sounds awesome

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milki

gamecube -.-

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segv

haha

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fink

i have a gen1 xbox, what should i do with it?

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segv

Install everything you can on it till it breaks

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jdoe

throw it away?

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fink

i want a practical purpose

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jdoe

doorstop.
paperweight.

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segv

cat annoyance device?

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jdoe

fill it with lead and make a boat anchor.

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segv

have a cd tray eject every Nth minutes

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fink

jdoe: i like the concept of giving life to old electronics, rather than sending it to a landfill

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milki

i have a gen1 xbox too, the dvd drive is broken -.-

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segv

"damn
I had my desktop do that

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milki

if you can install xbmc on it, you wont need the dvd drive

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segv

had a webcam aimed at my desktop and watched my cats try to destroy it

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milki

LOL

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segv

I got one of those cool 2-way webcams
was like 80 bucks on newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1JW0F03762&nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_-

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milki

ugh
i hate that foscam model

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segv

Why?

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milki

the software was so kludgy

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fink

segv: works with freebsd?

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segv

milki: ah what did you replace it with?

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milki

it has its own web interface for controls
we didnt
it was for a project

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segv

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milki

so we just cried and used perl to access the api

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segv

haha
Perl shouldn't make you cry.

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milki

nope, but the api does

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segv

haha
I have many API's that make me cringe.
Like googles Adwords SOAP api :(

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RandalSchwartz

if the answer is SOAP you asked the wrong question :)

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fink

hi RandalSchwartz

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RandalSchwartz

hey

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segv

haha

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milki

soap was cool for a while

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fink

RandalSchwartz: finally back, you are

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RandalSchwartz

yeah, I keep forgetting to join this channel when I'm back from having left. :)

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fink

could really have used your help a couple months ago, when my zfs on root upgrade hosed the boot blocks on my vps
or, you could update your blog…

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milki

lol
so much demand for RandalSchwartz

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segv

haha
what happens when you're RandalSchwartz

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fink

i guess your life is like a constant gangnam style music video

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RandalSchwartz

I update G+ now
and it flows to twitter and facebook

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segv

yay

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RandalSchwartz

I have about 19k followers on G_+

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segv

I love that, get to update everything w/out having to update it everywhere on your own

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RandalSchwartz

oh - only 18k

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fink

pshaw, peanuts
i have 18K

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segv

I have hmm
I barely use google plus
well I barely use social media in the first place

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fink

segv: it's ok to be a recluse

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segv

well, i'm not a recluse, just have nothing useful to say
I'm a systems engineer by day, lazy mofo by night haha

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kraigu

fink: it's cheating if they're the pornbots

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fink

segv: so, what are your friday night plans?

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segv

Sleep.

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fink

kraigu: SHHH
segv: tron marathon in the basement?

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segv

But, being in san francisco

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RandalSchwartz

... https://plus.google.com/photos/114918475211209783081/albums/5790660769668722321/5790660771634129586

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segv

I should go do something

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fink

segv: SF? omg you could actually LARP tron!

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segv

yes, yes I could.
I've seen hack the planet reenacted (the phonebooth scene) before.
That was ridiculous
Don't get a bunch of drunk infosec people together....

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kraigu

they have to be drunk?

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segv

not always
but its definitely funnier when they are

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kraigu

nah

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fink

kraigu: it's better when they are, or at least you are

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kraigu

just YOU hav... yeah
a state of being I aspire to

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segv

I am still hungover from last night x-x

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kraigu

this week has been one of those months

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fink

RandalSchwartz: i +1d you
not that you'd notice, with your legion of followers

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segv

kraigu: Indeed it has

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RandalSchwartz

yeay!

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segv

sore throat fail, i haven't been able to kick this cold for a week and a half

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fink

segv: go running, then bundle up, take a shitload of nyquil, and sweat it out while you sleep
in the morning, you'll be drenched, but it will be gone
also, drink a lot of water

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segv

i've been chugging water like i've been standing under a waterfall

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segv

What would you guys recommend over cacti, I have about 40 switches I need to monitor bandwidth on

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jdoe

nagios?
... or mrtg, depending on what you mean by monitor bandwidth...

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milki

why does sweating help?

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segv

milki: it causes the body to expel the toxins in your system

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andol

segv: I would say that you might want both mrtg/cacti as well as nagios.

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segv

Already have nagios up and running not a big deal
guess i'll go the cacti route
just wondering if there was some new simpler tools out there, looking at bandwidthd right now

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twobithacker

segv: Observium

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segv

ah
nice

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Lefty

segv: also, collectd+graphite is so nice

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up_the_irons

kraigu: ah, tnx for the netflow suggestions

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up_the_irons

RandalSchwartz: segv : is the G+ syndication to FB and Twitter built into G+ or a 3rd party app?
RandalSchwartz: 19k followers on G+?? I didn't know G+ even had that many members ;) OH SNAP..

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milki

lol
i thought everyone with a google account has a g+ account

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up_the_irons

segv: what do you want to monitor on those switches? Just bandwidth?
we use cacti over here..
but we don't have 40 switches (however, we do have hundreds of vlans)

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segv

do you vlan off every machine?

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henderb

segv: I believe there is one vlan per customer

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segv

ah cool

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pjs

Yea.. each client has all their instances on a private vlan.. which is pretty awesome

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andol

Nice indeed!

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segv

that's badass
had no clue, but that rocks

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jdoe

lol
(at sweating, toxins etc)
sweating doesn't help directly, raising your body's temperature helps to kill bacterial shit (see also: fever)
you can't sweat out a cold :P

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RandalSchwartz

up_the_irons - my autoposter has many steps :)
first, I had to look up the google API... found one for "search public posts"
then I got a G+ API key
then I wrote a pipes.yahoo.com recipe to perform the search and provide an RSS feed.
then I feed that into twitterfeed.com, which knows how to post to twitter and facebook.
that last part I could have used ifttt.com instead
but I've used twitterfeed for far longer

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up_the_irons

segv: indeed, the others speak the truth

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segv

haha
well yeah, I manage my wifes vps with you guys :p love this setup

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up_the_irons

RandalSchwartz: oh i c
segv: :)

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RandalSchwartz

if only G+ had continued providing the RSS feed directly... :)

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dr_jkl

mmm it's my birthday on monday :/
idk what to do

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RandalSchwartz

get older!

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segv

dr_jkl: sleep.
It helps with age.

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up_the_irons

lol

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segv

I am 27 and sleep feels like this all amazing thing i've been missing for a few years now

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dr_jkl

i'll be 28. :p
ive contemplated whoring out my amazon wishlist, but i doubt anything would ever come of it

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mike-burns

I went to a rave in a warehouse in Brooklyn for my 28th birthday. I recommend it.
There was a unicorn.

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up_the_irons

lol

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jdoe

http://fashionindie.lookbooks.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/exterface_unicorn_03.jpg <-- did it look like that?

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mike-burns

I wish.

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up_the_irons

oh no that's just wrong

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dr_jkl

heh, i can't do stuff like that

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mike-burns

http://goo.gl/eLSB8 - it looked like this.

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dr_jkl

the wishlist or the unicorn?
oh the unicorn
that's a hore with a party hat!
lol
horse lol

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phlux

upgraded my laptop to 8gb of RAM today
pretty happy
i actually got this laptop in a bind when my old one went south..i wasn't planning on keeping this thing long, but i've kind of fallen in love with it, heh.
lenovo thinkpad edge
picked it up for like $300
(brand new)

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jdoe

I just bumped mine to 8gb today too.

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dr_jkl

lol,
the ssd in my laptop is worth more than the laptop

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phlux

dr_jkl: i'm thinking of doing that exact same thing
but at least the ssd can travel with you when you move laptops
my ram probably won't
i mean, it's ddr3 now, but by the time i get tired of this thing/it breaks, something else will be out

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dr_jkl

is it socially acceptable, near one's birthday, to whore out a wishlist on social media and see what happens?

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phlux

yes
someone will definitely see it and be like "thank god, i was wondering wtf i was going to get him"
been there many times

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dr_jkl

eh most people who know me irl dont know i have a twitter or a facebook

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phlux

that's the only reason i have a twitter/fb

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dr_jkl

i'm probably going to get lots of angry birds. at work i have many angry birds, they call me the angry bird girl

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mikeputnam

dr_jkl: what make/model of laptop? do you run OpenBSD on it?

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dr_jkl

uh
it's a cheap $300 lenovo running ubuntu

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mikeputnam

<3 lenovo

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kraigu

up_the_irons: np. :D

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