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LT has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: jdoe: yeah, it does seem like a kernel recompile is needed. lame
phlux: i use weechat ***: Webhostbudd_ has joined #arpnetworks
Webhostbudd has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) mercutio: weechat looks interesting actually
the name put me off ***: Webhostbudd_ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) up_the_irons: mercutio: the name put me off as well, but i've used it for years (irssi prior to it) and it rocks. mercutio: the coloru scheme also puts me off
but i imagine that's fixable
it looked good how it organised things on the screen mike-burns: I like weechat. mhoran: The color scheme is annoying but you can change that.
The Android mobile client rocks, which is why I switched.
It doesn't have the same key bindings as irssi which is kind of annoying, but whatever. mercutio: are the key bindings sensible? i'm really cautious about changing irc clients :)
dunno why i've changed web browsers many times, but irc is like ... i just want it to work wihtout getting in the way mike-burns: If you don't want change then you certainly don't want to change something.
I like weechat's key bindings. They're also configurable, so there's that. mercutio: mm, i've never actually configed an irc client
i used a script with ircii
but it auto setup colours etc
irssi default config seems a lot better than default ircii
and it auto sets up new windows if you do /query user
you don't need to do /window new hide ***: nestea has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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eryc has joined #arpnetworks andol: up_the_irons: arpnetworks under ddos attack? ix33: something going on networking wise ***: eryc has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) mercutio: is arp down?
oh
i'm a bit late to it ***: eryc has joined #arpnetworks
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eryc has joined #arpnetworks easymac: i'm not down, just slow. mercutio: 50% packet loss easymac: packet loss and all that andol: The b.authns.bitfolk.com mentioned in http://lists.bitfolk.com/lurker/message/20120906.135551.0daee1fb.en.html seems to be at arpnetworks mercutio: it's beyond "slow"
ie i can't ssh in yet ***: cullum has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) mercutio: oh i bounced through another host which had 0% loss ***: bitslip_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) easymac: I'm getting in just fine. Maybe whatever path you enter their network through is saturated but mine isn't. mercutio: hmm plett: Also working fine for me mercutio: tracing from arp it all looks fine
weird easymac: seems to have stabilized now. mike-burns: My 4G connection worked fine, but the cafe wifi dropped it. ***: bitslip has joined #arpnetworks -: mike-burns shrugs mercutio: oh the mtr shows 25% loss now
think it must have got better
restarting it it shows 0% loss easymac: weakass ddos mercutio: why do you say that?
it may have just been blocked? easymac: if it's that easy to mitigate, it's a weakass ddos
haha mike-burns: Blocked? What a bunch of wimps. mercutio: really you shouldn't talk about ddos like that
if anyone reads it that is doing the ddos it encourages them easymac: meh
script kiddies don't need encouragement
they're all hopped up on mountain dew anyway
code red! ix33: i had one slow path & one that worked OK a few minutes ago easymac: ddos probably saturated one transit link or something
or a transit provider went down and network reconverged or something like that
could be anything
wonder if all my pingdom false positives for servers outside arp are related mercutio: i just found this monitoring thing called nodeping
but one of the things it said it did was try from multiple locations when outage
i don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing though
cos when there's issues from some places but not others it's still good to know easymac: I can see that being true. ***: Ahmed has joined #arpnetworks easymac: I'll check that out. It looks pretty standard.
thanks ***: Ahmed has left
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So I started using urxvt yesterday to IRC with since Konsole doesn't display colors properly
It feels really odd using urxvt with KDE
It looks great, though! ***: LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)
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Konsole wouldn't display yellow or white bg colors
(when running something with 256 color support)
urxvt does ***: HighJinx has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
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HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks mike-burns: It's amazing that there exist term emulators that get colors wrong, still. milki: maybe its just a configuration issue :o mike-burns: Why would such a thing even be configurable, though? milki: or no one submits bug reports and just switches to a different one
sometimes i want my black to look yellow
! mike-burns: Uh huh. jdoe: I can't find a bug report for it, so I'm tending towards user error :P -: milki nods milki: classic case of pekbac probably ***: Ahmed has joined #arpnetworks Ahmed: is there anyone from support awake? mikeputnam: Ahmed: probably. Ahmed: Well, I have an urgent issue... ticket #5052 and it's been HOURS since I put in the ticket, no response mikeputnam: up_the_irons: ^^^ ***: cullum has joined #arpnetworks
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cullum has joined #arpnetworks cullum: is there some of network issue going on? i'm getting almost 100% packet loss to my VPS all of the sudden. Ahmed: cullum: I think there might be. I was able to VNC into my VPS but the funny part is that it's not even connecting to the internet
And what worries me is that it's been 5 hours and nobody responded to my ticket cullum: someone mentioned a DDoS in this channel earlier today...i dont think any of the admins responded to that though Ahmed: the admins are up_the_irons and he's obviously AFK ***: cullum has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) mikeputnam: no idea if it's related or not, but my $20 VPS lost it's mind at approx. 10:30am UTC-5
had to hard reboot ***: heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks
ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer mikeputnam: first reboot since i became a customer on May 1st Ahmed: mikeputnam: did the hard reboot fix it?
Because it didn't fix it for me ***: cullum has joined #arpnetworks
cullum has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) mikeputnam: in my case yes plett: I've seen no problems today. My smokeping graph for my ARP VPS is nice and clean up_the_irons: yeah, there was a dos attack earlier; i null routed the target IP, but not all peers / transits have a null route community, so some traffic still got through
phlux: urxvt has been my fav term for many years now phlux: I'm using it in KDE now..pretty awesome.
I wish I could get it to beep though
I assume something KDE-related is standing in the way
I've made a few changes weechat-related (more UTF8 stuff) but here's my most recent screenshot (I'll update when I am finished with changes): http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/pics/Gentoo-Screenshots/KDE4/weechaturxvt.png up_the_irons: Ahmed: *your* VPS was the target of a large DoS attack this morning. We null routed the IP and will keep it in place until we feel it is safe to remove. I'm sorry if you had to wait HOURS for a response to your ticket. Maybe you should take your problems to Rackspace, or EC2.
jeez, the nerve of people Ahmed: Excuse me?
And how am I supposed to know the VPS was a target to a DDoS attack exactly? up_the_irons: Ahmed: network graphs Ahmed: And it is just OK to assume I will run to the network graph w/o even an email notification. phlux: up_the_irons: I can't access the Help Desk Ahmed: And maybe I "will" take all my problems elsehwere. up_the_irons: Ahmed: thank you Ahmed: You got it.
Will there be a prorated refund for the upfront payments? mikeputnam: dibs on his VPS! up_the_irons: Ahmed: yes Ahmed: Appreciated. mikeputnam: phlux: i can corraborate the Help Desk outage: "We're sorry, but something went wrong" Ahmed: I will have to find out if there are any files on that VM that needs to be retained. I assume you can at least provide these? phlux: mikeputnam: aye up_the_irons: Ahmed: we don't need to notify you if your vps was shut off due to a dos attack; read the terms of service. personally, i was just about to go to bed after a very long night, and then i had to get up again because your vps was attacked, and wasted a bunch of time. I don't appreciate this, so don't be surprised if i'm not so eager to please you Ahmed: Well, the "wasted" time is part of the business
Nobody said it was "Easy" ☺ up_the_irons: like i said, the nerve of some people Ahmed: Oh well. up_the_irons: Ahmed: right, and i can refuse business of people that waste my time, and make it unprofitable. difficulty has nothing to do with it. Ahmed: Well, can't say that statement is not fair. up_the_irons: phlux: i had that problem once before, try clearing cookies of "support.arpnetworks.com". otherwise, it's probably a Tender issue and they'll likely fix it ***: mnathani` has joined #arpnetworks Ahmed: up_the_irons: very well then. If you go ahead and do the prorated refund and I will take my "trouble" eslewhere, that would be highly appreciated.
And FYI, the VPS was for a client of mine, not me.
And the DDoS voilates __MY__ TOS as well
Just my 2 cents. milki: well, ddos does mean there is no service Ahmed: I am too pissed off because of the DDoS
For nearly 2 years I had a great experience with Arp milki: congrats? up_the_irons: Ahmed: we appreciate your business; i was surprised to see it was your vps under fire. however, I have a zero tolerance toward dos attacks and the policy is to shutdown anyone who becomes a packet magnet. the amount of support tickets and complaints we receive when things like this happens makes it impossible to justify keeping those accounts. Ahmed: And you know what? I appreciate your business too
Your statement just hit the wrong spot... -: up_the_irons needs to grab food before a 3PM meeting, and wanders off milki: oo, like that other guy with the internet bullying ***: nestea has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) toddf: Ahmed: some people (like randalschwartz) have multiple arp accounts. some for personal vps's and some for clients they manage vps's for. no clue if the logic will stick that it was your client not you that attracted the ddos but anyway. Ahmed: toddf: Yeah... Well, what's done is done. up_the_irons made it clear despite of the conversation we had privately.
All good ***: andol has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) jdoe: ... speaking of ToS, zerigo's are nuts. Anyone recommend a dns host? :P pjs: jdoe, what's up with zerigo's? I don't think I've ever read them.. but I use them
and I wrote the only functioning Python API client (that I know of) for their service.. so now I'm biased :) jdoe: http://www.zerigo.com/terms
the acceptable use section also applies to their dns service, not just hosting.
which is insane. pjs: hah, that is a little wild jdoe: they're a pretty good host, but that's crazy. ***: andol has joined #arpnetworks
Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks jdoe: anyone know of a registrar with dnssec api that isn't gandi? (they're kinda expensive) jbergstroem: jdoe: i found this in my bookmarks: https://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/dnssec/deployment (api status unknown) jdoe: api status is kinda crucial
I don't want to have to login to update ds records by hand. phlux: I just host my own DNS.. ***: cullum has joined #arpnetworks jdoe: I prefer to keep personal and not-personal things separate, including "not linked by common dns servers serving no other domains"
I also don't feel like maintaining >1 dns server. up_the_irons: cullum: nice domain, c0ffee.net ***: Webhostbudd has joined #arpnetworks
HighJinx has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) phlux: up_the_irons: Nevermind on my OS swap issue. I think I'm going to try upgrading FreeBSD and running portupgrade -a to keep it in working order :) up_the_irons: phlux: roger that andol: phlux: You also have a way of modifying DS records in the parent zone? Otherwise I don't see how it has much to do with jdoe's question. -: andol just realized that he responded to an hour old comment phlux: ah, didn't pay attention to that
So, why doesn't this display any Kannada characters in urxvt? URxvt*font: xft:Liberation Mono:pixelsize=16:antialias=true:hinting=true:xft:Lohit Kannada jdoe: name.com does ds records, but afaik only for .org, and when I asked them about an API they said "I'LL PUT THAT IN OUR DEVELOPER'S TICKET SYSTEM", and then closed the ticket about 4 months later with no comments/updates :P
internet.bs seems like a good registrar, but makes no mention of dnssec at all. -: jdoe mutters. phlux: unable to calculate font width for 'Lohit Kannada:slant=0:weight=100:pixelsize=18:minspace=True', ignoring.
AHA!
Does anyone know what to do with that information? jdoe: curl up in the fetal position and cry? phlux: already there up_the_irons: phlux: yeah, when fonts don't show up, it is usually b/c they were ignored, but urxvt will still startup. it helps to start urxvt from within a separate xterm, konsole, w/e, so you can see the errors/warnings it outputs phlux: well I was able to get that error to go away by passing a pixel size
however, I *still* can't see the look of disapproval in urxvt >_< up_the_irons: off topic, i must say, the centos 6 "minimal" install actually has sane defaults for running services (simply 'sshd' w/o all the rpc garbage)
hah phlux: I thought Lohit Kannada would fix that, but evidently not
can you see it, up_the_irons?
ಠ_ಠ
^I just see blocks with an underscore separating them up_the_irons: phlux: same here, but i don't have that font in my config either -: up_the_irons is picking apart "yum groupinstall base" b/c shit, base installs so much more than needed up_the_irons: centos needs a "minimal - server" config (not simply "minimal", which is quite minimal,yes, but man pages and cron are nice too!!)
</rant> phlux: I don't know the first thing about CentOS
I never gave it a shot because I hate the name mercutio: up_the_irons: debootstrap debian is just as bad. -: up_the_irons nods ***: cullum has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) ix33: oh so there was a network issue then
glad there was a definite answer ***: ix34 has joined #arpnetworks
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HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks ix34: and thanks whoever recommended weechat on here
nice new toy ***: HighJinx has quit IRC (Client Quit) mercutio: bah i'll try it :) ***: mercutio has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)
mercutio has joined #arpnetworks mercutio: mm seems ok ix34: i'm logged in to google talk as well with it though
which i apparently need for my new job... mercutio: i use jabber for work ix34: command line by any chance? mercutio: it's actually quite easy to run a private jabber server
well you can use most clients
i use gajim atm
a lot of clients will do gtalk or jabber ix34: right mercutio: and with jabber you can message google ix34: this is a python jabber plugin mercutio: so you just setup the jabber server that then connects to google. ix34: or connect directly to google ;) mercutio: i used to use micq yeras back on command line
but then all your work messages go through google ix34: well we try not to xmit root passwords there
but, sure. mercutio: still, it's pretty easy to setup your own server, and then it doesn't go through google unless you add someone who's on google
gah, i still have wireless interference it seems like
there's someone nearby on channels 4 and 8 ix34: everyone there uses just google talk accounts. i have set up private jabber servers before. very good workgroup tool mercutio: and someone on channel a 20 mhz
and i'm on channel 11 20 mhz
i haven't had nearby people with strong signals before, they seem to have a tp-link router, i have tp-link too
and it seems fine at close distnace, it was fie on 40 mhz too, but watching graph of signal it seems to go down sometimes
by about 20db to 30db
i thought the idea of wireless meant there were lots of channels, but channels like to be real wide :)
i can't figure out where they are even, it seems signal stays at mostly constant levels when moving around
there's not even really close physical neighbours, so i'm a bit stumped where their wireless point is
maybe they have external one with strong signal ix34: can you identify other SSID's / networks? mercutio: i can see their ssid
it's calld "trojan horse j2.1"
i have no idea what that means :)
maybe it's this wireless card showing drops
it was giving packet loss on windwos computer where it was being problematic
which i haevn't seen before
i've onyl seen laggy/slow wireless not actual packet drops.
and enough that it shows in windows 4 pings
i assume 20 mhz is safer ix34: what wifi standard?
N? mercutio: yeh
channel 1 is g
my phone is g too ix34: hmm all the usb spectrum analyzers are 2.4GHz only mercutio: computer has a n
2.4 ghz
it's two stories away that user having problem is
but i've used this router further away than that and been ok before ix34: WOW a 5GHz USB s.a. is almost $600 mercutio: it's about 80 megabit one room over
i'm using inSSIDer atm
on windows
i used wifi analyzer on android as well
and there was a little bit of overlap
i dunno how 40 mhz handles overlap
i also have no idea what wireless card problem user has on their laptop
err built in
my laptop has intel and that seems slower than the atheros on my desktop ix34: well at those kinds of speeds a bit of interference causes lots of inconvenience mercutio: yeh
i still wonder where this router thing is ix34: maybe they're modded and running high power or something mercutio: yeh
still even if they are, why is there less signal loss moving around the house nad outside
than to my router or the g router
the g router drops off real quick for some reaosn
even when using g to it
it is a thomson though
i tried setting my channel to clash with theirs in hope that their channel would shift ix34: i should turn in my RF geek card
last AP i bought was an airport mercutio: heh
at last place i was someone had an airport
it wasn't too bad ix34: i don't even know what it's doing, everything is set to 'auto' mercutio: range was a little lower than this router though ix34: there are a handful of the ATT wifi routers around me, but nothing causing me any trouble that i can tell mercutio: it was higher than all in one modem/wireless though ix34: actually i'm probably causing my neighbors grief with this setup mercutio: how come? ix34: it's probably doing 2.4/5 and 40MHz channels mercutio: 40 mhz channels is pretty common ix34: we do 2 or 3 simultaneous video streams all the time with no hickups mercutio: i really wish they'd just do 20 mhz better
what megabit? ix34: at least one HD, the other are probably low mercutio: what's that 20 megabit? ix34: no not that high
720p is what 4mbit? mercutio: real?
that seems pretty low ix34: no i'm assuming that's the apple h.264 mercutio: wow
it is low
3.3 megabit for 720p
i get massive lag if i copy files across network from other room
at about 10 megabytes/sec
i think wireless doesn't multitask that nicely ix34: it really doesn't
especially when you get a bit of interference and you have more than one stream attepting retransmit/recovery mercutio: i kind of want to run a cable through the wall
hmm
well they were getting about 4 megabit ix34: cat 6 cabling has never failed me ;) mercutio: but youtube buffered at the start
and youtube is fine here
http://postimage.org/image/do8f6775b/
that looks like trojan horse is being really greedy ix34: whoa mercutio: maybe should bump to 12 ix34: might get you away from that guy mercutio: i kind of want to do 40 mhz
but it seems you can only one 40 mhz on a network at o nce?
i doubt 5 ghz would work between two stories anyway ix34: but wow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels mercutio: i think some kind of automatic channel sharing and width changing is necessary really ix34: he's parked himself right in the middle of the spectrum
does MIMO in 802.11n use multiple wide channels at once? mercutio: i'm nto sure, mimo is enabled
dunno what it does tvh
tbh ix34: or maybe it only does multiple channels on differen tbands
mine is reporting using 1 & 149
i'm assuming that's 1 on 2.4 and 149 on 5
"*With 802.11g and newer only the channels 1, 5, 9, and 13 shall be used in order to obey the non-overlapping 20 MHz OFDM channel scheme borrowed from 802.11a. But please do a site survey first, then if channel 6 is already heavily occupied, follow the 3-channel system." mercutio: http://postimage.org/image/r59z2t6un/
maybe something else is causing it
oh so i shouldn't use channel 12?
i might change to 13 then ix34: well the criteria of ch 6 being used seems to apply
yeah those little blips could be like a microwave or a phone or something mercutio: he's using 4 and 8 ***: cullum has joined #arpnetworks ix34: "There are 14 channels designated in the 2.4 GHz range spaced 5 MHz apart (with the exception of a 12 MHz spacing before Channel 14). As the protocol requires 25 MHz of channel separation, adjacent channels overlap and will interfere with each other. "
so the ch. 6 range is not exactly open mercutio: well i tried ym other modem
and now there is total spectrum coverage
http://postimage.org/image/jjrf7rds1/
now to see what it's like otuside
erk my android doesn't like channel 13 ix34: you're 13+9? phlux: ix34: I took a lot of tips from http://dev.weechat.org/post/2011/08/28/Beautify-your-WeeChat to make my weechat even better
I changed a few things (time format, for example) ix34: phlux: cool, i'll take a look mercutio: yeh phlux: ix34: http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/pics/Gentoo-Screenshots/KDE4/beautifulweechat.png
an example of the changes I've made ix34: killer
i'm running mine inside tmux phlux: Same here
Using urxvt as the terminal ix34: Terminal.app here
i'll have to try urxvt at work mercutio: stil la bit colourful for me
i use tmux too it's handy :) dr_jkl: screeeeeen.
i don't know what makes some people say tmux is better ***: HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks