jdoe: yeah, it does seem like a kernel recompile is needed.  lame
phlux: i use weechat
weechat looks interesting actually
the name put me off
mercutio: the name put me off as well, but i've used it for years (irssi prior to it) and it rocks.
the coloru scheme also puts me off
but i imagine that's fixable
it looked good how it organised things on the screen
I like weechat.
The color scheme is annoying but you can change that.
The Android mobile client rocks, which is why I switched.
It doesn't have the same key bindings as irssi which is kind of annoying, but whatever.
are the key bindings sensible?  i'm really cautious about changing irc clients :)
dunno why i've changed web browsers many times, but irc is like ... i just want it to work wihtout getting in the way
If you don't want change then you certainly don't want to change something.
I like weechat's key bindings. They're also configurable, so there's that.
mm, i've never actually configed an irc client
i used a script with ircii
but it auto setup colours etc
irssi default config seems a lot better than default ircii
and it auto sets up new windows if you do /query user
you don't need to do /window new hide
up_the_irons: arpnetworks under ddos attack?
something going on networking wise
is arp down?
oh
i'm a bit late to it
i'm not down, just slow.
50% packet loss
packet loss and all that
The b.authns.bitfolk.com mentioned in http://lists.bitfolk.com/lurker/message/20120906.135551.0daee1fb.en.html seems to be at arpnetworks
it's beyond "slow"
ie i can't ssh in yet
oh i bounced through another host which had 0% loss
I'm getting in just fine.  Maybe whatever path you enter their network through is saturated but mine isn't.
hmm
Also working fine for me
tracing from arp it all looks fine
weird
seems to have stabilized now.
My 4G connection worked fine, but the cafe wifi dropped it.
oh the mtr shows 25% loss now
think it must have got better
restarting it it shows 0% loss
weakass ddos
why do you say that?
it may have just been blocked?
if it's that easy to mitigate, it's a weakass ddos
haha
Blocked? What a bunch of wimps.
really you shouldn't talk about ddos like that
if anyone reads it that is doing the ddos it encourages them
meh
script kiddies don't need encouragement
they're all hopped up on mountain dew anyway
code red!
i had one slow path & one that worked OK a few minutes ago
ddos probably saturated one transit link or something
or a transit provider went down and network reconverged or something like that
could be anything
wonder if all my pingdom false positives for servers outside arp are related
i just found this monitoring thing called nodeping
but one of the things it said it did was try from multiple locations when outage
i don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing though
cos when there's issues from some places but not others it's still good to know
I can see that being true.
I'll check that out. It looks pretty standard.
thanks
Heh
So I started using urxvt yesterday to IRC with since Konsole doesn't display colors properly
It feels really odd using urxvt with KDE
It looks great, though!
doesn't display colors properly?
yeah
Konsole wouldn't display yellow or white bg colors
(when running something with 256 color support)
urxvt does
It's amazing that there exist term emulators that get colors wrong, still.
maybe its just a configuration issue :o
Why would such a thing even be configurable, though?
or no one submits bug reports and just switches to a different one
sometimes i want my black to look yellow
!
Uh huh.
I can't find a bug report for it, so I'm tending towards user error :P
classic case of pekbac probably
is there anyone from support awake?
Ahmed: probably.
Well, I have an urgent issue... ticket #5052 and it's been HOURS since I put in the ticket, no response
up_the_irons: ^^^
is there some of network issue going on? i'm getting almost 100% packet loss to my VPS all of the sudden.
cullum: I think there might be. I was able to VNC into my VPS but the funny part is that it's not even connecting to the internet
And what worries me is that it's been 5 hours and nobody responded to my ticket
someone mentioned a DDoS in this channel earlier today...i dont think any of the admins responded to that though
the admins are up_the_irons and he's obviously AFK
no idea if it's related or not, but my $20 VPS lost it's mind at approx. 10:30am UTC-5
had to hard reboot
first reboot since i became a customer on May 1st
mikeputnam: did the hard reboot fix it?
Because it didn't fix it for me
in my case yes
I've seen no problems today. My smokeping graph for my ARP VPS is nice and clean
yeah, there was a dos attack earlier; i null routed the target IP, but not all peers / transits have a null route community, so some traffic still got through
phlux: urxvt has been my fav term for many years now
I'm using it in KDE now..pretty awesome.
I wish I could get it to beep though
I assume something KDE-related is standing in the way
I've made a few changes weechat-related (more UTF8 stuff) but here's my most recent screenshot (I'll update when I am finished with changes): http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/pics/Gentoo-Screenshots/KDE4/weechaturxvt.png
Ahmed: *your* VPS was the target of a large DoS attack this morning.  We null routed the IP and will keep it in place until we feel it is safe to remove.  I'm sorry if you had to wait HOURS for a response to your ticket.  Maybe you should take your problems to Rackspace, or EC2.
jeez, the nerve of people
Excuse me?
And how am I supposed to know the VPS was a target to a DDoS attack exactly?
Ahmed: network graphs
And it is just OK to assume I will run to the network graph w/o even an email notification.
up_the_irons: I can't access the Help Desk
And maybe I "will" take all my problems elsehwere.
Ahmed: thank you
You got it.
Will there be a prorated refund for the upfront payments?
dibs on his VPS!
Ahmed: yes
Appreciated.
phlux: i can corraborate the Help Desk outage: "We're sorry, but something went wrong"
I will have to find out if there are any files on that VM that needs to be retained. I assume you can at least provide these?
mikeputnam: aye
Ahmed: we don't need to notify you if your vps was shut off due to a dos attack; read the terms of service.  personally, i was just about to go to bed after a very long night, and then i had to get up again because your vps was attacked, and wasted a bunch of time.  I don't appreciate this, so don't be surprised if i'm not so eager to please you
Well, the "wasted" time is part of the business
Nobody said it was "Easy" ☺
like i said, the nerve of some people
Oh well.
Ahmed: right, and i can refuse business of people that waste my time, and make it unprofitable.  difficulty has nothing to do with it.
Well, can't say that statement is not fair.
phlux: i had that problem once before, try clearing cookies of "support.arpnetworks.com".  otherwise, it's probably a Tender issue and they'll likely fix it
up_the_irons: very well then. If you go ahead and do the prorated refund and I will take my "trouble" eslewhere, that would be highly appreciated.
And FYI, the VPS was for a client of mine, not me.
And the DDoS voilates __MY__ TOS as well
Just my 2 cents.
well, ddos does mean there is no service
I am too pissed off because of the DDoS
For nearly 2 years I had a great experience with Arp
congrats?
Ahmed: we appreciate your business; i was surprised to see it was your vps under fire.  however, I have a zero tolerance toward dos attacks and the policy is to shutdown anyone who becomes a packet magnet.  the amount of support tickets and complaints we receive when things like this happens makes it impossible to justify keeping those accounts.
And you know what? I appreciate your business too
Your statement just hit the wrong spot...
oo, like that other guy with the internet bullying
Ahmed: some people (like randalschwartz) have multiple arp accounts. some for personal vps's and some for clients they manage vps's for. no clue if the logic will stick that it was your client not you that attracted the ddos but anyway.
toddf: Yeah... Well, what's done is done. up_the_irons made it clear despite of the conversation we had privately.
All good
... speaking of ToS, zerigo's are nuts. Anyone recommend a dns host? :P
jdoe, what's up with zerigo's? I don't think I've ever read them.. but I use them
and I wrote the only functioning Python API client (that I know of) for their service.. so now I'm biased :)
http://www.zerigo.com/terms
the acceptable use section also applies to their dns service, not just hosting.
which is insane.
hah, that is a little wild
they're a pretty good host, but that's crazy.
anyone know of a registrar with dnssec api that isn't gandi? (they're kinda expensive)
jdoe: i found this in my bookmarks: https://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/dnssec/deployment (api status unknown)
api status is kinda crucial
I don't want to have to login to update ds records by hand.
I just host my own DNS..
I prefer to keep personal and not-personal things separate, including "not linked by common dns servers serving no other domains"
I also don't feel like maintaining >1 dns server.
cullum: nice domain, c0ffee.net
up_the_irons: Nevermind on my OS swap issue. I think I'm going to try upgrading FreeBSD and running portupgrade -a to keep it in working order :)
phlux: roger that
phlux: You also have a way of modifying DS records in the parent zone? Otherwise I don't see how it has much to do with jdoe's question.
ah, didn't pay attention to that
So, why doesn't this display any Kannada characters in urxvt? URxvt*font: xft:Liberation Mono:pixelsize=16:antialias=true:hinting=true:xft:Lohit Kannada
name.com does ds records, but afaik only for .org, and when I asked them about an API they said "I'LL PUT THAT IN OUR DEVELOPER'S TICKET SYSTEM", and then closed the ticket about 4 months later with no comments/updates :P
internet.bs seems like a good registrar, but makes no mention of dnssec at all.
unable to calculate font width for 'Lohit Kannada:slant=0:weight=100:pixelsize=18:minspace=True', ignoring.
AHA!
Does anyone know what to do with that information?
curl up in the fetal position and cry?
already there
phlux: yeah, when fonts don't show up, it is usually b/c they were ignored, but urxvt will still startup.  it helps to start urxvt from within a separate xterm, konsole, w/e, so you can see the errors/warnings it outputs
well I was able to get that error to go away by passing a pixel size
however, I *still* can't see the look of disapproval in urxvt >_<
off topic, i must say, the centos 6 "minimal" install actually has sane defaults for running services (simply 'sshd' w/o all the rpc garbage)
hah
I thought Lohit Kannada would fix that, but evidently not
can you see it, up_the_irons?
ಠ_ಠ
^I just see blocks with an underscore separating them
phlux: same here, but i don't have that font in my config either
centos needs a "minimal - server" config (not simply "minimal", which is quite minimal,yes, but man pages and cron are nice too!!)
</rant>
I don't know the first thing about CentOS
I never gave it a shot because I hate the name
up_the_irons: debootstrap debian is just as bad.
oh so there was a network issue then
glad there was a definite answer
and thanks whoever recommended weechat on here
nice new toy
bah i'll try it :)
mm seems ok
i'm logged in to google talk as well with it though
which i apparently need for my new job...
i use jabber for work
command line by any chance?
it's actually quite easy to run a private jabber server
well you can use most clients
i use gajim atm
a lot of clients will do gtalk or jabber
right
and with jabber you can message google
this is a python jabber plugin
so you just setup the jabber server that then connects to google.
or connect directly to google ;)
i used to use micq yeras back on command line
but then all your work messages go through google
well we try not to xmit root passwords there
but, sure.
still, it's pretty easy to setup your own server, and then it doesn't go through google unless you add someone who's on google
gah, i still have wireless interference it seems like
there's someone nearby on channels 4 and 8
everyone there uses just google talk accounts.  i have set up private jabber servers before.  very good workgroup tool
and someone on channel a 20 mhz
and i'm on channel 11 20 mhz
i haven't had nearby people with strong signals before, they seem to have a tp-link router, i have tp-link too
and it seems fine at close distnace, it was fie on 40 mhz too, but watching graph of signal it seems to go down sometimes
by about 20db to 30db
i thought the idea of wireless meant there were lots of channels, but channels like to be real wide :)
i can't figure out where they are even, it seems signal stays at mostly constant levels when moving around
there's not even really close physical neighbours, so i'm a bit stumped where their wireless point is
maybe they have external one with strong signal
can you identify other SSID's / networks?
i can see their ssid
it's calld "trojan horse j2.1"
i have no idea what that means :)
maybe it's this wireless card showing drops
it was giving packet loss on windwos computer where it was being problematic
which i haevn't seen before
i've onyl seen laggy/slow wireless not actual packet drops.
and enough that it shows in windows 4 pings
i assume 20 mhz is safer
what wifi standard?
N?
yeh
channel 1 is g
my phone is g too
hmm all the usb spectrum analyzers are 2.4GHz only
computer has a n
2.4 ghz
it's two stories away that user having problem is
but i've used this router further away than that and been ok before
WOW a 5GHz USB s.a. is almost $600
it's about 80 megabit one room over
i'm using inSSIDer atm
on windows
i used wifi analyzer on android as well
and there was a little bit of overlap
i dunno how 40 mhz handles overlap
i also have no idea what wireless card problem user has on their laptop
err built in
my laptop has intel and that seems slower than the atheros on my desktop
well at those kinds of speeds a bit of interference causes lots of inconvenience
yeh
i still wonder where this router thing is
maybe they're modded and running high power or something
yeh
still even if they are, why is there less signal loss moving around the house nad outside
than to my router or the g router
the g router drops off real quick for some reaosn
even when using g to it
it is a thomson though
i tried setting my channel to clash with theirs in hope that their channel would shift
i should turn in my RF geek card
last AP i bought was an airport
heh
at last place i was someone had an airport
it wasn't too bad
i don't even know what it's doing, everything is set to 'auto'
range was a little lower than this router though
there are a handful of the ATT wifi routers around me, but nothing causing me any trouble that i can tell
it was higher than all in one modem/wireless though
actually i'm probably causing my neighbors grief with this setup
how come?
it's probably doing 2.4/5 and 40MHz channels
40 mhz channels is pretty common
we do 2 or 3 simultaneous video streams all the time with no hickups
i really wish they'd just do 20 mhz better
what megabit?
at least one HD, the other are probably low
what's that 20 megabit?
no not that high
720p is what 4mbit?
real?
that seems pretty low
no i'm assuming that's the apple h.264
wow
it is low
3.3 megabit for 720p
i get massive lag if i copy files across network from other room
at about 10 megabytes/sec
i think wireless doesn't multitask that nicely
it really doesn't
especially when you get a bit of interference and you have more than one stream attepting retransmit/recovery
i kind of want to run a cable through the wall
hmm
well they were getting about 4 megabit
cat 6 cabling has never failed me ;)
but youtube buffered at the start
and youtube is fine here
http://postimage.org/image/do8f6775b/
that looks like trojan horse is being really greedy
whoa
maybe should bump to 12
might get you away from that guy
i kind of want to do 40 mhz
but it seems you can only one 40 mhz on a network at o nce?
i doubt 5 ghz would work between two stories anyway
but wow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels
i think some kind of automatic channel sharing and width changing is necessary really
he's parked himself right in the middle of the spectrum
does MIMO in 802.11n use multiple wide channels at once?
i'm nto sure, mimo is enabled
dunno what it does tvh
tbh
or maybe it only does multiple channels on differen tbands
mine is reporting using 1 & 149
i'm assuming that's 1 on 2.4 and 149 on 5
"*With 802.11g and newer only the channels 1, 5, 9, and 13 shall be used in order to obey the non-overlapping 20 MHz OFDM channel scheme borrowed from 802.11a. But please do a site survey first, then if channel 6 is already heavily occupied, follow the 3-channel system."
http://postimage.org/image/r59z2t6un/
maybe something else is causing it
oh so i shouldn't use channel 12?
i might change to 13 then
well the criteria of ch 6 being used seems to apply
yeah those little blips could be like a microwave or a phone or something
he's using 4 and 8
"There are 14 channels designated in the 2.4 GHz range spaced 5 MHz apart (with the exception of a 12 MHz spacing before Channel 14). As the protocol requires 25 MHz of channel separation, adjacent channels overlap and will interfere with each other. "
so the ch. 6 range is not exactly open
well i tried ym other modem
and now there is total spectrum coverage
http://postimage.org/image/jjrf7rds1/
now to see what it's like otuside
erk my android doesn't like channel 13
you're 13+9?
ix34: I took a lot of tips from http://dev.weechat.org/post/2011/08/28/Beautify-your-WeeChat to make my weechat even better
I changed a few things (time format, for example)
phlux: cool, i'll take a look
yeh
ix34: http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/pics/Gentoo-Screenshots/KDE4/beautifulweechat.png
an example of the changes I've made
killer
i'm running mine inside tmux
Same here
Using urxvt as the terminal
Terminal.app here
i'll have to try urxvt at work
stil la bit colourful for me
i use tmux too it's handy :)
screeeeeen.
i don't know what makes some people say tmux is better