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| dr_jkl | arfg
ugh, i don't know who administrated this box before me someone who said "let's put a binary in /etc/ for no fucking reason!" | [00:17] |
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| jlgaddis | up_the_irons: what format do you use for your disk images? i might want to redo my centos vm but instead of asking you for the RAM favor again, i figure i could just setup/deploy it here the way i want, upload the disk image to my other VPS, and have you wget it and replace the existing one. | [02:35] |
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| anisfarhana | Helooooooo
Anyone around? | [09:27] |
| milki | echo echo echo | [09:35] |
| anisfarhana | *g*
irc my life eh | [09:35] |
| milki | :P | [09:36] |
| anisfarhana | I got a question about arpnetworks though. | [09:37] |
| milki | milki just a user | [09:37] |
| anisfarhana | I am wondering whether arpnetwork's VPS can mitigate the udp/tcp attacks. | [09:38] |
| milki | *the* attacks? | [09:38] |
| anisfarhana | ddos protection.
I mean the network. | [09:40] |
| milki | i dont know | [09:41] |
| anisfarhana | Umm | [09:41] |
| milki | try emailing or twitter?
or wait around for up_the_irons | [09:41] |
| anisfarhana | I thought here is more "active"
Yeah. anisfarhana pulls her chair and wait | [09:41] |
| milki | last spoke 11 hours ago | [09:42] |
| anisfarhana | anisfarhana coughs | [09:42] |
| milki | milki hungers | [09:43] |
| anisfarhana | Go eat. | [09:43] |
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| anisfarhana | :/ | [10:20] |
| jlgaddis | anisfarhana: don't do anything dumb to provoke a denial of service attack and i imagine you'll be fine | [10:28] |
| anisfarhana | jlgaddis: internet bullying , that is what i encounter now.
Not provoke anything. | [10:29] |
| jlgaddis | you must be quite the unlucky person. i've been online for ~20 years now and have yet to be on the receiving end of a denial of service attack.
to answer your question the best i can, though, i don't think there's anything special in place to mitigate a denial of service. the exception would be some basic rate-limiting of traffic to 22/tcp (primarily to help prevent brute force attacks against ssh, i assume). if you're doing something to cause your vps to be the victim of dos attacks, though, i think you might wake up one day to find your account cancelled. | [10:33] |
| anisfarhana | :(
jlgaddis: You staff here? | [10:45] |
| milki | ive been internet bullied
stupid kids -.- | [10:47] |
| jlgaddis | nope, my only affiliation w/ arp networks is as a customer | [10:48] |
| anisfarhana | I see.
I found the good provider for myself. but they are extremely expensive. e.g : gtcomm and blacklotus | [10:49] |
| milki | well, if they have your requirements, then you should go with them | [10:49] |
| anisfarhana | I can't afford to pay 450 USD monthly.
for their dedicated server. | [10:50] |
| milki | i cant either!
:P | [10:50] |
| anisfarhana | :/ | [10:50] |
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| anisfarhana | again!
grrrrrr | [11:15] |
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| up_the_irons | jlgaddis: the RAM favor is easier than wget + dd an image :) plus, you won't have any kvm/qemu version issues | [13:55] |
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| phlux | If this portupgrade -a fails, I'm going to move this VPS over to Gentoo
If that's possible for me, anyway | [14:16] |
| milki | lol | [14:17] |
| twobitha1ker | emerge world && come back in a week | [14:19] |
| phlux | Negative
emerge -uDvaN @world takes about 5 minutes on my laptop FreeBSD's ports takes way longer than emerge. Sorry to bust your bubble there. I'm not a fan of packages, and for some reason, I am ridiculed for it in #ARPNetworks It's kind of annoying that you people can't just live and let live. | [14:20] |
| nestea | up_the_irons: are you around?
is it ok if I pm you please if so :) | [14:21] |
| twobitha1ker | phlux: 5 minutes on the initial install? that's impressive | [14:22] |
| phlux | No, not on the initial install.
But the initial install didn't take very long. Now, installing KDE was another story | [14:22] |
| jdoe | heh. | [14:22] |
| twobitha1ker | granted, last thing I installed Gentoo on was an I-Opener
that was a bad choice | [14:22] |
| phlux | But my VPS won't be using KDE ;)
Even then, KDE, OpenOffice, Chrome, and Thunderbird only took ~6 hours. I started the install and went to sleep for the night I remember FreeBSD taking days on KDE 3.5 I can only imagine 4.x | [14:22] |
| nestea | yeah it takes absolutely forever | [14:23] |
| twobitha1ker | some things make sense to use packages for | [14:23] |
| phlux | Of course, processors have sped up quite a bit since I've ran FreeBSD locally. | [14:24] |
| nestea | phlux: KDE would still take at least 2 days I imagine
at least. | [14:24] |
| phlux | The thing I hate about FreeBSD is the stupid config stuff. | [14:24] |
| nestea | but I will always use ports, I love the various build options etc | [14:24] |
| phlux | How some packages use 'make config' during install.
I like to just run portupgrade -a and leave for the day. | [14:24] |
| nestea | phlux: you can make all that run in one go at the start
read the manpage | [14:24] |
| twobitha1ker | portmaster handles that better than portupgrade | [14:25] |
| phlux | but I *always* come back to some config option
I see | [14:25] |
| twobitha1ker | gets all the config stuff taken care of ahead of time | [14:25] |
| nestea | with portmaster it is --force-config with portupgrader it is -C I believe | [14:25] |
| phlux | interesting
well, too late now, but I'll remember that in the future. Thanks. | [14:25] |
| nestea | np
wow. /me pats self on back. first time I looked in here in perhpas months and I helped someone | [14:26] |
| milki | pormtaster deals with all the configs before it fetchs/installs | [14:26] |
| nestea | w00t
:P | [14:26] |
| milki | it also lists which ports will be installed
milki recommends portmaster over portupgrade and then theres the new pkgng which i dont know how to use since i havent used the package system before | [14:26] |
| nestea | yah portmaster is sexy, no ruby dep
but portupgrade comes with some cool tools like portsclean | [14:27] |
| milki | sure, i have both installed | [14:28] |
| nestea | I always do too :)
hehe milki: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2012-August/077909.html | [14:28] |
| milki | ya, porters have been raving about it
we dont use packages at $work though but we should... | [14:30] |
| twobitha1ker | we have our own tinderbox setup for building the packages we use in production
saves a lot of time | [14:31] |
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| up_the_irons | could someone with a FreeBSD 9 vps with 20GB or 40GB of space, do a "df -i" for me and pastie the output? | [18:54] |
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| mjp | /dev/ada0p2 7330872 3535898 3794973 48% 337277 3857121 8% / | [18:59] |
| up_the_irons | mjp: tnx! | [18:59] |
| mjp | i may have manually set a large inode count when reinstalling though...
pretty sure freebsd + src + ports wont even install on small disks with the default sysinstall options /dev/ada0p4 10079853 4160505 5919348 41% 292936 5475062 5% /data / = 7G, /data = 10G | [19:00] |
| up_the_irons | mjp: yeah was gonna ask if that was stock (meaning our image). if you re-installed, then it's different
we ran into this issue on the smaller images: http://gromnitsky.blogspot.com/2011/08/freebsd-9-newfs-block-size-and-fragment.html | [19:02] |
| mjp | :/ stupid defaults | [19:04] |
| phlux | any college football fans in here? | [19:13] |
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| meingtsla | What about college football | [19:55] |
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| up_the_irons | channel poll: random idea -- would it be useful to be able to reboot a vps via sms? kinda like how you can check your account balance via sms with your bank...
you would obviously have to register your number with your account first (just like the bank) | [22:47] |
| toddf | I'd find it more useful to do so via email, but that's just me. I have sms disabled on my phone. If I want to sms someone, I find out what carrier they are on, and email their email to text gateway. ;-) | [22:49] |
| mjp | not for me... i reboot probably 1/2 times per year and thats generally from ssh/the console | [22:50] |
| DaCa | toddf: what's the rationale on disabling sms on your phone? | [22:51] |
| mjp | toddf: do you know RMS? ;) | [22:51] |
| toddf | heh
1) sms is nothing more than a glorified expensive limited email system limited to mobile phone networks except for the sms to email gateways which further proves its equivalent 2) I hate that carriers use the fact that it is exclusive to the carriers as an excuse to charge a premum (someone calculated it would take 33 million to sms a hd video over sms on at&t for an example) 3) the part that pushed me over the edge was when I visited a client in chicago, was sent several sms messages, received none of them, missed some important info, and then the carrier had the nerve to charge me for them (that was back when plans didn't include some sms messaging for free as enticement) sms people can sms me via sms -> email I can sms people via email -> sms why would I pay to send sms from my phone when email works perfectly well??? oh and I almost forgot 4) I fell for some stupid verification thing on a website and because I received the sms I got a $10/mo additional charge to some ripoff company .. at least the carrier blocked sms so this wouldn't happen again why do you use sms? mostly I hear the answer 'it is convenient' .. my sister actually told me 'my phone makes it easier to use sms than email' well duh, they have a vested interest in luring you into the false sense that an sms is an easy to use thing so they can charge you for it! | [22:53] |
| up_the_irons | for me, it's 1-click on my android to see my account balance. i don't have to login, or open a web browser. i use the DirectSMS app. | [23:00] |
| DaCa | you are charged for _receiving_ messages? | [23:00] |
| toddf | up_the_irons: indeed. they lure you into 'sms is easy, use it everywhere' .. though usually mobile <-> carrier sms's are free, so I have little problem with that
daca: I have a grandfathered tmobile plan .. $19.95 for unlimited data (no caps no restrictions no nothing) .. no sms included .. $.13 each message received or sent if it were re-enabled | [23:01] |
| up_the_irons | toddf: since i use sms for nagios alerts (i think everyone does, no?), i have an unlimited text msg plan, and so the cost doesn't matter
toddf: nice rate | [23:02] |
| toddf | thats the data plan. then the phone plan is more. between my wife and me the line charges and taxes and data plans add up to $165/mo.
if we change anything we're locked into 3 more years with tmobile or if I port my phone # to another entity (my destination is voip) then my wife gets in a loophole to choose any plan w/out a 3 year contract as if she were continuing month to month getting a $50/mo 5gb verizon mifi device plus my wifes options for new unlimited plans means I can use my n900 + verizon mifi for voip mobile calling for $50/mo and my wife's tmobile plan will be roughly $60/mo so $110/mo vs $165/mo .. sounds like a deal to me plus having internet access in the boonies at my wifes parents house is a plus with verizon vs tmobile barely has reliable 2g edge data if I hold the phone just right in a particular window upstairs if I want nagios to alert me I sent it via my mobile email address though I got tired of false alerts via nagios and started writing my own alert system | [23:03] |
| DaCa | in europe you never pay for receiving, which is logic no? you can't control what you are receiving | [23:12] |
| toddf | indeed.
I don't care if it is free, sms is glorified email with proprietary delivery and limited capabilities. | [23:13] |
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| jdoe | up_the_irons: I don't.
up_the_irons: email alerts, with sms backup if email is down. | [23:55] |
| up_the_irons | roger | [23:58] |
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