[00:09] arenlor: referral tracking is on the todo list, but rather low [00:33] *** Ehtyar has quit IRC (Quit: IRC is just multiplayer notepad) [00:59] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [01:23] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [01:25] *** Webhostbudd has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [01:52] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [02:16] *** gcw|mini1 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [02:17] *** gcw has joined #arpnetworks [03:10] CentOS 5.8 templates are... juuuust... about.... ready [03:16] damn.. scratch that.. why won't the generated pw's work... probably different crypt library or some shit.. bah [03:27] oh i think i got it... [03:28] 5.x uses MD5, not SHA-512 like deb/ubuntu [03:28] * up_the_irons tries again [03:36] *** Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [03:39] what's that I see on the serial console? [03:39] CentOS release 5.8 (Final) [03:39] Kernel 2.6.18-308.13.1.el5 on an x86_64 [03:39] centos-auto-prov-test login: [03:39] w00t [03:45] *** fink has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [04:11] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [04:58] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [05:00] i thought md5 wasn't suitable for passwords? [05:25] mercutio: well, apparently, it is still the default for cent 5.x [05:26] i think it's not very good for short amounts of data [05:26] like a password [05:27] The MD5 password hash algorithm is "no longer considered safe" by the original software developer, a day after the leak of more than 6.4 million hashed LinkedIn passwords [05:27] hmm [05:29] you can tell that it's a coder speaking [05:29] he says that every large site should use different algorithams [05:31] hmm and there's a method to make non-identical files that md5s match [05:32] mind you lots of people kept using crypt after it was known to be bad [05:32] and shadow files helped there.. [06:03] *** mdube_ has joined #arpnetworks [06:09] *** mdube_ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [07:11] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:35] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [07:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [07:49] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [07:52] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:54] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [07:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [08:13] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [08:16] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [08:27] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [08:55] mercutio: there's no particular reason for large sites to use the same algo (or same algo with the same settings) [09:24] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [09:24] *** sako has quit IRC (Changing host) [09:24] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [09:59] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [10:24] *** Webhostbudd has joined #arpnetworks [10:36] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [10:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [10:53] *** gcw has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [10:56] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [11:08] *** Webhostbudd has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [12:23] *** meingtsla has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [12:26] *** Ehtyar has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [12:34] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [12:47] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [13:02] *** Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [13:15] *** meingtsla has joined #arpnetworks [13:37] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [14:02] would anyone else mind reviewing us? http://www.webhostingstuff.com/review/ARPNetworks.html [14:02] arenlor: thank you for your review and getting the ball rollin' :) [14:02] wish WHS would update their thumbnail, lol [14:03] *** HighJinx has quit IRC () [14:03] * up_the_irons heads out for food [14:38] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [14:43] *** sako has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:13] *** jdoe has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) [15:14] *** jdoe has joined #arpnetworks [16:16] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [16:18] *** Ehtyar has quit IRC (Quit: There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence.) [16:25] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [16:30] *** beandog has joined #arpnetworks [16:30] *** beandog has quit IRC (Changing host) [16:30] *** beandog has joined #arpnetworks [16:47] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [17:00] *** beandog has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [17:26] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #arpnetworks [18:02] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:03] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [18:08] *** Igneous has joined #arpnetworks [18:09] *** Webhostbudd has joined #arpnetworks [18:16] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [18:27] Webhostbudd: Webhostbudd! i've been looking for u... [18:29] i have a server for u... [18:57] up_the_irons: sounds good but I might be looking to cut back since my requirements aren't that high anymore [18:57] up_the_irons: while considering the offer i realized a vps is probably a sound choice, but i would hate to ditch zfs =( [18:59] you can run zfs on a vps. [19:00] ... I still think running zfs on freebsd is insane, but it appears to have worked well for RandalSchwartz [19:00] jdoe: zfs on freebsd is amazing and the only way to go anymore [19:00] that's all i run on my freebsd installs [19:01] well, zfs running isn't a problem but running well is [19:01] zfs is pretty slow without relying on lots of memory caching [19:02] Webhostbudd: yeh you need lots of ram for zfs [19:03] you really want 4gb+ [19:03] mercutio: yea, most of my zfs machines have 16+ [19:03] i'm doing virtualisation with zfs [19:03] illumos? [19:03] and i've started moving more ram to zfs [19:04] openindiana and opensolaris [19:04] yea [19:04] for 32gb ram 8gb for zfs [19:04] yea, that's pretty good [19:04] it seems like the ram requirement falls off after 16GB [19:04] i was allocating like 4gb for zfs before [19:04] i have 32GB in my one nas and the arc stops are 18 ish gb [19:05] after finding 2gb just wasn't enough [19:05] stops at* [19:05] you can fiddle with that [19:05] zfs has things to use 3/4 of ram etc [19:05] you seen arc_summary.pl btw? [19:05] yea [19:05] also there's a metadata limit [19:05] that you can increase if you have lots of metadata [19:05] mhmm [19:06] my machines aren't really strained for ram [19:06] so i let freebsd take care of the allocations [19:06] yeh [19:06] but metadata won't use all available ram [19:06] or aynthing [19:06] it depends if you're hitting it or not [19:06] if you have lots of small files versus lots of large files [19:07] ie if you just store movies on it it wouldn't matter :) [19:07] but if you use maildir on it it would [19:08] webhost: someone's working l2arc compression :) [19:09] http://cr.illumos.org/~webrev/skiselkov/3137/ [19:09] which could let to higher hitrates [19:33] interesting [19:34] but im not using an l2arc [19:35] since you run opensol and openindiana, how has performance felt for you [19:35] i always feel like solaris has been sluggish compared to freebsd / linux [19:39] lousy [19:39] it's faster using virtual machines than the base os :) [19:40] you have to do /usr/gnu/bin/dd [19:40] rather than dd [19:40] if you want things like conv=fdatasync [19:40] actually seriously it's not too bad [19:40] i mostly have fmd etc [19:40] hate [19:40] also some lead developer just quit [19:40] but linux is only just adding check support [19:40] and no correcitng etc [19:41] btrfs has compression in it [19:41] which is kind of cool [19:41] but i feel safer with zfs [19:41] iscsi goes well [19:41] nfs goes well [19:41] but the package management doesn't have handy things ilke tmux in it [19:41] so you have to compile frmo source [19:42] also there's all this krb cruft in ssh [19:42] and if you don't disble it ssh logins are slow [19:42] and frmo base install you have to disable nwam (like in ubuntu how you have to disable network-manager, resolvconf) [20:16] *** Webhostbudd has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [20:18] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [20:25] *** Webhostbudd has joined #arpnetworks [22:12] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [22:13] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [22:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer