#arpnetworks 2012-08-29,Wed

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up_the_ironsI did a CentOS 5.8 install and for package selection, I unselected everything, to try to get a minimal install. After booting the installed system, I had to deselect a *bunch* of services from startup, b/c they were not needed (e.g. xfs, no need for fonts on a server). Question: Had I selected "Server" in the package selection list, would it have installed *less* things? I just don't
understand why a bunch of X11 libs, GTK, and fonts were installed, if I did not select a desktop system
maybe jpalmer knows...
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easymacBecause Linux is always a shit mess.
Probably comes with ImageMagick installed or something equally useless unless you're 99% of the world running shitty web servers.
Maybe PHP or Python stuff is installed for image processing?
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up_the_ironswho knows...
i don't have this issue on debian / ubuntu. they are very clean minimal installs
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toddfI know from experience on openbsd its a very small set of packages that do not depend on x11 libs [10:37]
RandalSchwartzluckily with the right knobs in freebsd, you can avoid most x11 deps
echo "WITHOUT_X11=yes" >>/etc/make.conf
one of the first things I always do
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Webhostbuddalways [10:59]
mike-burnsUnless I'm building a laptop, of course. [11:00]
milkinah, laptop doesnt need x11 either [11:04]
jdoeRandalSchwartz: shame the tags aren't named consistently, or documented anywhere that I found :( [11:04]
RandalSchwartzwell, there are some guidelines in the portage docs [11:05]
mike-burnsgrep WITHOUT_ /usr/ports/*/*/Makefile [11:05]
jdoehaha. [11:05]
RandalSchwartz... http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing-ports/index.html
ahh - I mean http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/
in particular - http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/makefile-options.html
and see http://svn.freebsd.org/ports/head/KNOBS?view=markup
a good list of standard knobs
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jdoeup_the_irons: 52428800 bytes (52 MB) copied, 47.0498 s, 1.1 MB/s ... would it be possible for you to check if my vm is using virtio for disk? ... and if it is, wtf ;) [12:02]
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up_the_ironsjdoe: please email support@arpnetworks.com with your vps uuid [13:32]
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arenlorHeh, my website responds faster than Comcast's does [13:48]
up_the_irons: How many spare servers do you have, I may be recommending you to Comcast both for speed and stability. [13:54]
milki>.> [13:55]
arenlorThey're a decent ISP, but their website goes down all the time. [13:57]
andolarenlor: Rather that than the other way around? :) [13:58]
arenlorDefinitely of course, but still, annoying. [13:59]
up_the_ironsarenlor: spare servers? like, without anyone on it?
or VPS slots?
or...
up_the_irons is confused
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toothWhen you need to pull over and change your server out in a jiffy [14:06]
arenlorDoesn't matter, I just figure you'd need a few to support comcast ^_^ [14:06]
up_the_ironsarenlor: really depends how many VPS' they need
arenlor: if they want dedicated servers, i have 6 at the moment
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pjsup_the_irons what DC are you in again? [14:15]
up_the_ironspjs: CoreSite, 900 N. Alameda, Los Angeles [14:16]
arenlorIt would seem this is over, and I haven't read any of it, but: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/z1c9z/i_am_barack_obama_president_of_the_united_states/?limit=500 [14:18]
pjsup_the_irons nice.. I'll probably be ordering another VPS or two soon. Not sure how I lived on EC2 and RackSpace all that time.. Switching to ARP has been the best decision since closing down my cage at Peer1 (7th and ... Hope I think) [14:19]
up_the_ironspjs: awesome, thanks for the kind words! Can I use it in a testimonial? ;)
up_the_irons drags a 3U chassis to the car...
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milkilol [14:23]
pjsup_the_irons of course. Want me to submit a legit testimonial?
up_the_irons I've only referred you like 5 new clients.. every time I'm promised a t-shirt, which never arrives.. and it's worse that I'm also in the LA area and we actually have friends in common... fucker :)
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up_the_ironspjs: a legit testimonial would be awesome, yet even what you already said is fine.
pjs: *I* don't even have a t-shirt
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Leftyup_the_irons: tshirts are obviously necessary [14:30]
up_the_ironspjs: since you're in town, go to the next LADevOps meetup so we can meet in person :) [14:30]
LeftyI'll take seven [14:30]
up_the_ironslol [14:30]
Leftyseriously, I'd even pay [14:30]
milkitime for a arpnetworks tshirt competition promotion [14:31]
up_the_ironsup_the_irons nods [14:31]
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up_the_ironsi don't have time to update our own website, let alone design a t-shirt (wish i could!)
data center time, bbl
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milkijust put it up on twitter and someone will submit designs [14:33]
pjsLADevOps meeting here I come... [14:33]
mercutiomercutio never got the thing of wearing branded tshirts [14:36]
Leftyshows our geek cred
makes us tech hipsters
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mercutioyeh but if you have real geek cred you don't need to wear a tshirt
it'd be appreciated to wear some kind of shirt though :)
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arenlorEh, I have an HE IPv6 shirt [14:39]
mercutioso my cellpohne is being mental - i look to see what other cellphones are out there, and it's still a jungle.
arenlor: most people don't even know who HE are ?
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milkimercutio: geek tshirts are free swag from conventions
!
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mercutio"secretly we are gay?"
that's what urban dictionary says
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arenlormercutio: huh? [14:41]
mercutio1. swag 1608 up, 470 down
"Secretly. We. Are. Gay."
just so you know what people mean when they tlk about their "swag"
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arenlorNobody thinks that. [14:42]
mercutiogoogle does [14:42]
arenlorMy grandmother knows what swag is. [14:42]
mercutiohmm maybe it's not used here? [14:42]
arenlorMaybe [14:43]
mercutiooh is it like swagger?
abbreviated?
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LeftyI like free tshirts from conventions
they mean I don't have to shop for shirts as often
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mercutioso they make you feel confident and control wearing those shirts? [14:44]
arenlormercutio: Swag is free stuff. [14:44]
mercutiooh [14:44]
arenlorGenerally branded though.
So like a bag that says Nike that you get for free.
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mercutioi see
but people pay money for bags that say nike :)
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Leftyor the notebook + pen combos I'm always getting from Dell [14:45]
mercutioi had a free mp3 player from my dns provider [14:45]
arenlorOr a shirt that says ARPNetworks if you've been there for a few years. [14:45]
mercutioit was tacky [14:45]
Leftyor the stress ball that says F5 [14:45]
arenlormercutio: That's swag [14:45]
Leftyetc etc [14:45]
mercutiof5 induces stress
oh right
i call it "junk"
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arenlorSwag is often tacky.
mercutio: It's free though, hence not junk.
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Leftyya, I'd say 60% of it should just immediately be discarded [14:46]
mercutiodepends how cheap you are :)
actually i had this strange letter with a free usb hub frmo hp
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Leftybut often it's stuff like little flashlights or USB car chargers [14:46]
mercutioi think it was hp
it was multicoloured
and usb 1
but it was still handy for getting more ports
that said, this was like two yeras ago
and it was usb 1!
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Leftystuff that's useful but I'd rarely make the effort to go buy normally
mercutio: meh, meece and keyboards work fine with usb1
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mercutiokeyboard and mouse are ok on usb 1 [14:47]
Lefty^ [14:47]
mercutioyeh but flash sticks don't
i just discovered the other day that my keyboard has a usb plug
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arenlorI don't need more shirts, but if someone is giving them out I'll probably take oe. [14:47]
mercutiohmm
i prob wouldn't
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Leftymy monitors usually have powered USB hubs built-in, thankfully [14:48]
mercutiobut branded beer i'd drink
my monitor has built in hub too
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Leftynothing USB3 yet though [14:48]
mercutioi don't know if it's powered [14:49]
Leftymost likely [14:49]
mercutionot finding much info
but one site says 4 ports
weird i can only see two
ZR24W also has a 2-port USB hub on the left side of the frame. Two USB inputs are found on the bottom as well.
hmm
oh the other two are by where the connectors plug in
i don't think it is powered
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milkia lot of my tshirts are free from conventions, infosessions, and whatnot [14:57]
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arenlorI don't know if RandalSchwartz is around, but I know he use to at least have tons of free shirts. [14:59]
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Leftymercutio: my Dell monitors are the same - two connectors on the side, two on the bottom by the inputs
and they're all powered hubs
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mercutioahh true [15:22]
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