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After booting the installed system, I had to deselect a *bunch* of services from startup, b/c they were not needed (e.g. xfs, no need for fonts on a server). Question: Had I selected "Server" in the package selection list, would it have installed *less* things? I just don't [03:34] understand why a bunch of X11 libs, GTK, and fonts were installed, if I did not select a desktop system [03:34] maybe jpalmer knows... [05:21] Because Linux is always a shit mess. [05:21] Probably comes with ImageMagick installed or something equally useless unless you're 99% of the world running shitty web servers. [05:21] Maybe PHP or Python stuff is installed for image processing? [07:22] who knows... [07:22] i don't have this issue on debian / ubuntu. they are very clean minimal installs [08:29] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [08:58] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [09:14] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [09:16] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [09:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [09:24] *** gcw|mbpro has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [09:25] *** gcw|mini1 has joined #arpnetworks [09:33] *** Webhostbudd has joined #arpnetworks [09:33] *** Aerosonic has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [10:37] I know from experience on openbsd its a very small set of packages that do not depend on x11 libs [10:41] luckily with the right knobs in freebsd, you can avoid most x11 deps [10:41] echo "WITHOUT_X11=yes" >>/etc/make.conf [10:42] one of the first things I always do [10:42] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [10:59] always [11:00] Unless I'm building a laptop, of course. [11:04] nah, laptop doesnt need x11 either [11:04] RandalSchwartz: shame the tags aren't named consistently, or documented anywhere that I found :( [11:05] well, there are some guidelines in the portage docs [11:05] grep WITHOUT_ /usr/ports/*/*/Makefile [11:05] haha. [11:06] ... http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing-ports/index.html [11:06] ahh - I mean http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/ [11:06] in particular - http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/makefile-options.html [11:06] and see http://svn.freebsd.org/ports/head/KNOBS?view=markup [11:07] a good list of standard knobs [12:02] up_the_irons: 52428800 bytes (52 MB) copied, 47.0498 s, 1.1 MB/s ... would it be possible for you to check if my vm is using virtio for disk? ... and if it is, wtf ;) [12:08] *** mnathani has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [13:03] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [13:05] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [13:25] *** gcw|mini1 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [13:32] jdoe: please email support@arpnetworks.com with your vps uuid [13:36] *** lazard has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [13:48] Heh, my website responds faster than Comcast's does [13:54] up_the_irons: How many spare servers do you have, I may be recommending you to Comcast both for speed and stability. [13:55] >.> [13:57] They're a decent ISP, but their website goes down all the time. [13:58] arenlor: Rather that than the other way around? :) [13:59] Definitely of course, but still, annoying. [14:05] arenlor: spare servers? like, without anyone on it? [14:05] or VPS slots? [14:05] or... [14:05] * up_the_irons is confused [14:06] When you need to pull over and change your server out in a jiffy [14:06] Doesn't matter, I just figure you'd need a few to support comcast ^_^ [14:09] arenlor: really depends how many VPS' they need [14:10] arenlor: if they want dedicated servers, i have 6 at the moment [14:15] up_the_irons what DC are you in again? [14:16] pjs: CoreSite, 900 N. Alameda, Los Angeles [14:18] It would seem this is over, and I haven't read any of it, but: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/z1c9z/i_am_barack_obama_president_of_the_united_states/?limit=500 [14:19] up_the_irons nice.. I'll probably be ordering another VPS or two soon. Not sure how I lived on EC2 and RackSpace all that time.. Switching to ARP has been the best decision since closing down my cage at Peer1 (7th and ... Hope I think) [14:20] pjs: awesome, thanks for the kind words! Can I use it in a testimonial? ;) [14:22] * up_the_irons drags a 3U chassis to the car... [14:23] lol [14:24] up_the_irons of course. Want me to submit a legit testimonial? [14:25] up_the_irons I've only referred you like 5 new clients.. every time I'm promised a t-shirt, which never arrives.. and it's worse that I'm also in the LA area and we actually have friends in common... fucker :) [14:27] *** gcw has joined #arpnetworks [14:29] pjs: a legit testimonial would be awesome, yet even what you already said is fine. [14:29] pjs: *I* don't even have a t-shirt [14:30] up_the_irons: tshirts are obviously necessary [14:30] pjs: since you're in town, go to the next LADevOps meetup so we can meet in person :) [14:30] I'll take seven [14:30] lol [14:30] seriously, I'd even pay [14:31] time for a arpnetworks tshirt competition promotion [14:31] * up_the_irons nods [14:31] *** Ehtyar has quit IRC (Quit: Don't follow me) [14:31] i don't have time to update our own website, let alone design a t-shirt (wish i could!) [14:32] data center time, bbl [14:33] just put it up on twitter and someone will submit designs [14:33] LADevOps meeting here I come... [14:36] * mercutio never got the thing of wearing branded tshirts [14:37] shows our geek cred [14:37] makes us tech hipsters [14:37] yeh but if you have real geek cred you don't need to wear a tshirt [14:38] it'd be appreciated to wear some kind of shirt though :) [14:38] *** gcw has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [14:39] Eh, I have an HE IPv6 shirt [14:39] so my cellpohne is being mental - i look to see what other cellphones are out there, and it's still a jungle. [14:40] arenlor: most people don't even know who HE are ? [14:40] mercutio: geek tshirts are free swag from conventions [14:40] ! [14:41] "secretly we are gay?" [14:41] that's what urban dictionary says [14:41] mercutio: huh? [14:41] 1. swag 1608 up, 470 down [14:41] "Secretly. We. Are. Gay." [14:41] just so you know what people mean when they tlk about their "swag" [14:42] Nobody thinks that. [14:42] google does [14:42] My grandmother knows what swag is. [14:42] hmm maybe it's not used here? [14:43] Maybe [14:43] oh is it like swagger? [14:43] abbreviated? [14:44] I like free tshirts from conventions [14:44] they mean I don't have to shop for shirts as often [14:44] so they make you feel confident and control wearing those shirts? [14:44] mercutio: Swag is free stuff. [14:44] oh [14:44] Generally branded though. [14:45] So like a bag that says Nike that you get for free. [14:45] i see [14:45] but people pay money for bags that say nike :) [14:45] or the notebook + pen combos I'm always getting from Dell [14:45] i had a free mp3 player from my dns provider [14:45] Or a shirt that says ARPNetworks if you've been there for a few years. [14:45] it was tacky [14:45] or the stress ball that says F5 [14:45] mercutio: That's swag [14:45] etc etc [14:45] f5 induces stress [14:45] oh right [14:46] i call it "junk" [14:46] Swag is often tacky. [14:46] mercutio: It's free though, hence not junk. [14:46] ya, I'd say 60% of it should just immediately be discarded [14:46] depends how cheap you are :) [14:46] actually i had this strange letter with a free usb hub frmo hp [14:46] but often it's stuff like little flashlights or USB car chargers [14:46] i think it was hp [14:46] it was multicoloured [14:46] and usb 1 [14:46] but it was still handy for getting more ports [14:46] that said, this was like two yeras ago [14:47] and it was usb 1! [14:47] stuff that's useful but I'd rarely make the effort to go buy normally [14:47] mercutio: meh, meece and keyboards work fine with usb1 [14:47] keyboard and mouse are ok on usb 1 [14:47] ^ [14:47] yeh but flash sticks don't [14:47] i just discovered the other day that my keyboard has a usb plug [14:47] I don't need more shirts, but if someone is giving them out I'll probably take oe. [14:48] hmm [14:48] i prob wouldn't [14:48] my monitors usually have powered USB hubs built-in, thankfully [14:48] but branded beer i'd drink [14:48] my monitor has built in hub too [14:48] nothing USB3 yet though [14:49] i don't know if it's powered [14:49] most likely [14:50] not finding much info [14:50] but one site says 4 ports [14:50] weird i can only see two [14:51] ZR24W also has a 2-port USB hub on the left side of the frame. Two USB inputs are found on the bottom as well. [14:51] hmm [14:51] oh the other two are by where the connectors plug in [14:51] i don't think it is powered [14:57] a lot of my tshirts are free from conventions, infosessions, and whatnot [14:59] *** lazard has joined #arpnetworks [14:59] I don't know if RandalSchwartz is around, but I know he use to at least have tons of free shirts. [15:02] *** k3asd has joined #arpnetworks [15:02] *** k3asd` has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [15:04] mercutio: my Dell monitors are the same - two connectors on the side, two on the bottom by the inputs [15:04] and they're all powered hubs [15:18] *** gcw has joined #arpnetworks [15:22] ahh true [15:35] *** gcw has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:39] *** gcw has joined #arpnetworks [15:47] *** gcw has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:50] *** sako has quit IRC (Changing host) [15:50] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [16:34] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [16:45] *** gcw has joined #arpnetworks [18:03] *** himuraken has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [18:15] *** himuraken has joined #arpnetworks [19:34] *** mtve has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:04] *** himuraken has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [20:16] *** himuraken has joined #arpnetworks [21:04] *** arenlore has joined #arpnetworks [21:04] *** arenlor has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:04] *** arenlore is now known as arenlor [21:30] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [21:47] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [22:31] *** Webhostbudd_ has joined #arpnetworks [22:31] *** Webhostbudd_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [23:22] *** gcw|mini1 has joined #arpnetworks [23:25] *** gcw has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)