[00:01] <mercutio> web: i think they're moving to gcc 4...
[00:01] <mercutio> omnios seems to be bundling gcc 4
[00:01] <Webhostbudd_> interesting
[00:01] <mercutio> doesn't the gcc license get messy at some 4 version too?
[00:02] <Webhostbudd_> well
[00:02] <Webhostbudd_> 4.3
[00:02] <Webhostbudd_> 4.2 is fine
[00:02] <mercutio> gcc version 4.2.1 20070719
[00:02] <mercutio> openbsd is using gcc 4.2.1
[00:02] <mercutio> and it's dated 2007
[00:02] <Webhostbudd_> yup
[00:02] <mercutio> so yes gcc 3.4.3 must b epretty old
[00:02] <Webhostbudd_> same with freebsd
[00:02] <mercutio> hangon i remember using that versino back in libc5 days
[00:02] <Webhostbudd_> well, actually only 2006
[00:02] <mercutio> i think?
[00:02] <mercutio> well at least years ago
[00:02] <Webhostbudd_> 3.4 was released in 2006
[00:03] <mercutio> June 18, 2001: GCC 3.0 has been released.
[00:03] <mercutio> oh
[00:03] <mercutio> oh it's 2.7.2 i used to use
[00:03] <Webhostbudd_> clang is where it is at now adays though
[00:03] <mercutio> ro something liek that
[00:04] <Webhostbudd_> unless you use a fully gpl system
[00:04] <mercutio> yeh migrations are still happening in that direciton
[00:04] <mercutio> there are a lot of migrations happenin in the open source wordl atm
[00:06] <mercutio> heh up_the_irons  was just looking for iscsi support and we ended up talking about illumos for agees
[00:06] <up_the_irons> mercutio: yeah i learned a lot of new stuff :)
[00:14] <jdoe> 4.2 is where apple, freebsd, etc. all cut it off.
[00:14] <jdoe> opensolaris is sexy. I wonder if illumos will survive though.
[00:15] <Webhostbudd_> i hope so
[00:15] <Webhostbudd_> i think with the different, specialized forks they will prosper
[00:15] <Webhostbudd_> the tech really can't be matched in the linux wodl
[00:16] <Webhostbudd_> not soon anyway
[00:16] <jdoe> ... right, but the tech all came from oracle/sun
[00:16] <jdoe> I'm curious what happens now.
[00:16] <Webhostbudd_> those developers are working on illumos
[00:16] <jdoe> whether it just stagnates, or...
[00:16] <jdoe> SOME of those developers are.
[00:16] <Webhostbudd_> a lot of them
[00:16] <jdoe> the community is still pretty tiny.
[00:16] <Webhostbudd_> there is a surprising amount of interest
[00:17] <Webhostbudd_> the problem is that major corporations won't recognize it
[00:17] <Webhostbudd_> most are transitioning from unix's to RHEL
[00:19] <up_the_irons> perhaps it'll grow to the ranks of openbsd or even freebsd; not as large as linux but still with large and strong followings
[00:20] <Webhostbudd_> which is fine
[00:21] <up_the_irons> it's even better
[00:21] <up_the_irons> less mess
[00:23] <Webhostbudd_> well, the thing illumos has going for it is a couple strong corporations backing it
[00:24] <Webhostbudd_> and there has been a lot of talk in the zfs and dtrace working groups
[00:24] <up_the_irons> i c
[00:25] <Webhostbudd_> at least in zfs, they have laid the groundwork for future progress
[00:25] <Webhostbudd_> new libzfs
[00:25] <Webhostbudd_> features flags so zfs changes can be made by multiple parties
[00:25] <Webhostbudd_> no single revision stuff anymore
[00:33] <mercutio> there's just async deleting of snapshots so far
[00:34] <Webhostbudd_> yup
[00:34] <Webhostbudd_> async deleting any zvol
[00:34] <mercutio> oh is that what it was
[00:34] <Webhostbudd_> i had a list of a bunch of stuff in the works
[00:35] <Webhostbudd_> well, a snapshot is just a zvol
[00:35] <mercutio> are you a developer on it?
[00:35] <Webhostbudd_> nope
[00:35] <Webhostbudd_> but i talked to someone who is
[00:35] <mercutio> ahh
[00:35] <Webhostbudd_> god i wish i saved it
[00:35] <mercutio> when are thye doing the 1mb block sizes :)
[00:35] <Webhostbudd_> large blocksize support is in the works
[00:35] <Webhostbudd_> no idea about 1mb though
[00:35] <mercutio> i'd actually like to see some focus on performance in some ways
[00:36] <Webhostbudd_> yea, that would be nice
[00:36] <mercutio> so that people can stop bitching about how much faster btrfs/ext4 is
[00:36] <Webhostbudd_> yea.....
[00:36] <Webhostbudd_> btrfs is scary
[00:36] <mercutio> i just experimented on two vps's with /usr btrfs
[00:36] <mercutio> and compression
[00:36] <Webhostbudd_> and it will be scary for a long time because data integrity was not the focus
[00:36] <mercutio> they're on zvols
[00:37] <mercutio> so i could actually use zfs for the compression
[00:37] <Webhostbudd_> btrfs has worked fine for me on laptops with ssds
[00:37] <mercutio> it sees my volume as a ssd for some reason
[00:37] <Webhostbudd_> ha
[00:37] <Webhostbudd_> i think it is good though
[00:37] <mercutio> [    3.746418] btrfs: use lzo compression
[00:37] <mercutio> [    3.746422] btrfs: disk space caching is enabled
[00:37] <mercutio> [    3.977270] Btrfs detected SSD devices, enabling SSD mode
[00:37] <mercutio> i don't seem to have lz4 support
[00:37] <mercutio> that was meant to be getting merged
[00:38] <Webhostbudd_> i don't think lz4 support is in the kernel yet?
[00:38] <mercutio> i don't know what disk space caching is
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[00:38] <mercutio> i thought it was going to be
[00:38] <Webhostbudd_> yea...
[00:38] <mercutio> this is 3.6.0-rc2
[00:38] <Webhostbudd_> but it still isn't
[00:38] <Webhostbudd_> last i checked
[00:38] <mercutio> with patch to fix the xen booting problem
[00:38] <Webhostbudd_> dunno
[00:38] <mercutio> xen actually works on openindiana
[00:38] <Webhostbudd_> is zfs hosting the btrfs volume?
[00:38] <mercutio> with everything you read it sounds like it doesn't
[00:38] <mercutio> yeh
[00:38] <Webhostbudd_> hmmmm
[00:39] <mercutio> openindiana
[00:39] <mercutio> with sync=disabled
[00:39] <Webhostbudd_> i didn't think btrfs chose ssd mode automatically
[00:39] <Webhostbudd_> is that new?
[00:39] <mercutio> it's in openindiana but not opensolaris
[00:39] <mercutio> you can run this utility to disable sync on zvol's on opensolaris
[00:40] <Webhostbudd_> no, sorry, btrfs ssd detection
[00:40] <mercutio> http://milek.blogspot.co.nz/2010/02/zvols-write-cache.html
[00:40] <mercutio> oh
[00:40] <mercutio> no idea
[00:44] <Webhostbudd_> wow, what's the deal with the llvm+clang hate
[00:44] <Webhostbudd_> christ
[00:44] <Webhostbudd_> especially the fact that people think it is pioneered by apple
[02:05] <mercutio> heh
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[15:52] <jpalmer> istanbul, not constantinople.
[16:26] <mercutio> that was a long time ago jpalmer
[16:43] <jpalmer> it was recently remixed :P
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[19:41] <phlux> up_the_irons: around?
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