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| mercutio | web: i think they're moving to gcc 4...
omnios seems to be bundling gcc 4 | [00:01] |
| Webhostbudd_ | interesting | [00:01] |
| mercutio | doesn't the gcc license get messy at some 4 version too? | [00:01] |
| Webhostbudd_ | well
4.3 4.2 is fine | [00:02] |
| mercutio | gcc version 4.2.1 20070719
openbsd is using gcc 4.2.1 and it's dated 2007 | [00:02] |
| Webhostbudd_ | yup | [00:02] |
| mercutio | so yes gcc 3.4.3 must b epretty old | [00:02] |
| Webhostbudd_ | same with freebsd | [00:02] |
| mercutio | hangon i remember using that versino back in libc5 days | [00:02] |
| Webhostbudd_ | well, actually only 2006 | [00:02] |
| mercutio | i think?
well at least years ago | [00:02] |
| Webhostbudd_ | 3.4 was released in 2006 | [00:02] |
| mercutio | June 18, 2001: GCC 3.0 has been released.
oh oh it's 2.7.2 i used to use | [00:03] |
| Webhostbudd_ | clang is where it is at now adays though | [00:03] |
| mercutio | ro something liek that | [00:03] |
| Webhostbudd_ | unless you use a fully gpl system | [00:04] |
| mercutio | yeh migrations are still happening in that direciton
there are a lot of migrations happenin in the open source wordl atm heh up_the_irons was just looking for iscsi support and we ended up talking about illumos for agees | [00:04] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: yeah i learned a lot of new stuff :) | [00:06] |
| jdoe | 4.2 is where apple, freebsd, etc. all cut it off.
opensolaris is sexy. I wonder if illumos will survive though. | [00:14] |
| Webhostbudd_ | i hope so
i think with the different, specialized forks they will prosper the tech really can't be matched in the linux wodl not soon anyway | [00:15] |
| jdoe | ... right, but the tech all came from oracle/sun
I'm curious what happens now. | [00:16] |
| Webhostbudd_ | those developers are working on illumos | [00:16] |
| jdoe | whether it just stagnates, or...
SOME of those developers are. | [00:16] |
| Webhostbudd_ | a lot of them | [00:16] |
| jdoe | the community is still pretty tiny. | [00:16] |
| Webhostbudd_ | there is a surprising amount of interest
the problem is that major corporations won't recognize it most are transitioning from unix's to RHEL | [00:16] |
| up_the_irons | perhaps it'll grow to the ranks of openbsd or even freebsd; not as large as linux but still with large and strong followings | [00:19] |
| Webhostbudd_ | which is fine | [00:20] |
| up_the_irons | it's even better
less mess | [00:21] |
| Webhostbudd_ | well, the thing illumos has going for it is a couple strong corporations backing it
and there has been a lot of talk in the zfs and dtrace working groups | [00:23] |
| up_the_irons | i c | [00:24] |
| Webhostbudd_ | at least in zfs, they have laid the groundwork for future progress
new libzfs features flags so zfs changes can be made by multiple parties no single revision stuff anymore | [00:25] |
| mercutio | there's just async deleting of snapshots so far | [00:33] |
| Webhostbudd_ | yup
async deleting any zvol | [00:34] |
| mercutio | oh is that what it was | [00:34] |
| Webhostbudd_ | i had a list of a bunch of stuff in the works
well, a snapshot is just a zvol | [00:34] |
| mercutio | are you a developer on it? | [00:35] |
| Webhostbudd_ | nope
but i talked to someone who is | [00:35] |
| mercutio | ahh | [00:35] |
| Webhostbudd_ | god i wish i saved it | [00:35] |
| mercutio | when are thye doing the 1mb block sizes :) | [00:35] |
| Webhostbudd_ | large blocksize support is in the works
no idea about 1mb though | [00:35] |
| mercutio | i'd actually like to see some focus on performance in some ways | [00:35] |
| Webhostbudd_ | yea, that would be nice | [00:36] |
| mercutio | so that people can stop bitching about how much faster btrfs/ext4 is | [00:36] |
| Webhostbudd_ | yea.....
btrfs is scary | [00:36] |
| mercutio | i just experimented on two vps's with /usr btrfs
and compression | [00:36] |
| Webhostbudd_ | and it will be scary for a long time because data integrity was not the focus | [00:36] |
| mercutio | they're on zvols
so i could actually use zfs for the compression | [00:36] |
| Webhostbudd_ | btrfs has worked fine for me on laptops with ssds | [00:37] |
| mercutio | it sees my volume as a ssd for some reason | [00:37] |
| Webhostbudd_ | ha
i think it is good though | [00:37] |
| mercutio | [ 3.746418] btrfs: use lzo compression
[ 3.746422] btrfs: disk space caching is enabled [ 3.977270] Btrfs detected SSD devices, enabling SSD mode i don't seem to have lz4 support that was meant to be getting merged | [00:37] |
| Webhostbudd_ | i don't think lz4 support is in the kernel yet? | [00:38] |
| mercutio | i don't know what disk space caching is | [00:38] |
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| mercutio | i thought it was going to be | [00:38] |
| Webhostbudd_ | yea... | [00:38] |
| mercutio | this is 3.6.0-rc2 | [00:38] |
| Webhostbudd_ | but it still isn't
last i checked | [00:38] |
| mercutio | with patch to fix the xen booting problem | [00:38] |
| Webhostbudd_ | dunno | [00:38] |
| mercutio | xen actually works on openindiana | [00:38] |
| Webhostbudd_ | is zfs hosting the btrfs volume? | [00:38] |
| mercutio | with everything you read it sounds like it doesn't
yeh | [00:38] |
| Webhostbudd_ | hmmmm | [00:38] |
| mercutio | openindiana
with sync=disabled | [00:39] |
| Webhostbudd_ | i didn't think btrfs chose ssd mode automatically
is that new? | [00:39] |
| mercutio | it's in openindiana but not opensolaris
you can run this utility to disable sync on zvol's on opensolaris | [00:39] |
| Webhostbudd_ | no, sorry, btrfs ssd detection | [00:40] |
| mercutio | http://milek.blogspot.co.nz/2010/02/zvols-write-cache.html
oh no idea | [00:40] |
| Webhostbudd_ | wow, what's the deal with the llvm+clang hate
christ especially the fact that people think it is pioneered by apple | [00:44] |
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| jpalmer | istanbul, not constantinople. | [15:52] |
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| mercutio | that was a long time ago jpalmer | [16:26] |
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| jpalmer | it was recently remixed :P | [16:43] |
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