mercutio: omnios seems to be bundling gcc 4 Webhostbudd_: interesting mercutio: doesn't the gcc license get messy at some 4 version too? Webhostbudd_: well
4.3
4.2 is fine mercutio: gcc version 4.2.1 20070719
openbsd is using gcc 4.2.1
and it's dated 2007 Webhostbudd_: yup mercutio: so yes gcc 3.4.3 must b epretty old Webhostbudd_: same with freebsd mercutio: hangon i remember using that versino back in libc5 days Webhostbudd_: well, actually only 2006 mercutio: i think?
well at least years ago Webhostbudd_: 3.4 was released in 2006 mercutio: June 18, 2001: GCC 3.0 has been released.
oh
oh it's 2.7.2 i used to use Webhostbudd_: clang is where it is at now adays though mercutio: ro something liek that Webhostbudd_: unless you use a fully gpl system mercutio: yeh migrations are still happening in that direciton
there are a lot of migrations happenin in the open source wordl atm
heh up_the_irons was just looking for iscsi support and we ended up talking about illumos for agees up_the_irons: mercutio: yeah i learned a lot of new stuff :) jdoe: 4.2 is where apple, freebsd, etc. all cut it off.
opensolaris is sexy. I wonder if illumos will survive though. Webhostbudd_: i hope so
i think with the different, specialized forks they will prosper
the tech really can't be matched in the linux wodl
not soon anyway jdoe: ... right, but the tech all came from oracle/sun
I'm curious what happens now. Webhostbudd_: those developers are working on illumos jdoe: whether it just stagnates, or...
SOME of those developers are. Webhostbudd_: a lot of them jdoe: the community is still pretty tiny. Webhostbudd_: there is a surprising amount of interest
the problem is that major corporations won't recognize it
most are transitioning from unix's to RHEL up_the_irons: perhaps it'll grow to the ranks of openbsd or even freebsd; not as large as linux but still with large and strong followings Webhostbudd_: which is fine up_the_irons: it's even better
less mess Webhostbudd_: well, the thing illumos has going for it is a couple strong corporations backing it
and there has been a lot of talk in the zfs and dtrace working groups up_the_irons: i c Webhostbudd_: at least in zfs, they have laid the groundwork for future progress
new libzfs
features flags so zfs changes can be made by multiple parties
no single revision stuff anymore mercutio: there's just async deleting of snapshots so far Webhostbudd_: yup
async deleting any zvol mercutio: oh is that what it was Webhostbudd_: i had a list of a bunch of stuff in the works
well, a snapshot is just a zvol mercutio: are you a developer on it? Webhostbudd_: nope
but i talked to someone who is mercutio: ahh Webhostbudd_: god i wish i saved it mercutio: when are thye doing the 1mb block sizes :) Webhostbudd_: large blocksize support is in the works
no idea about 1mb though mercutio: i'd actually like to see some focus on performance in some ways Webhostbudd_: yea, that would be nice mercutio: so that people can stop bitching about how much faster btrfs/ext4 is Webhostbudd_: yea.....
btrfs is scary mercutio: i just experimented on two vps's with /usr btrfs
and compression Webhostbudd_: and it will be scary for a long time because data integrity was not the focus mercutio: they're on zvols
so i could actually use zfs for the compression Webhostbudd_: btrfs has worked fine for me on laptops with ssds mercutio: it sees my volume as a ssd for some reason Webhostbudd_: ha
i think it is good though mercutio: [ 3.746418] btrfs: use lzo compression
[ 3.746422] btrfs: disk space caching is enabled
[ 3.977270] Btrfs detected SSD devices, enabling SSD mode
i don't seem to have lz4 support
that was meant to be getting merged Webhostbudd_: i don't think lz4 support is in the kernel yet? mercutio: i don't know what disk space caching is ***: irons|xchat has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) mercutio: i thought it was going to be Webhostbudd_: yea... mercutio: this is 3.6.0-rc2 Webhostbudd_: but it still isn't
last i checked mercutio: with patch to fix the xen booting problem Webhostbudd_: dunno mercutio: xen actually works on openindiana Webhostbudd_: is zfs hosting the btrfs volume? mercutio: with everything you read it sounds like it doesn't
yeh Webhostbudd_: hmmmm mercutio: openindiana
with sync=disabled Webhostbudd_: i didn't think btrfs chose ssd mode automatically
is that new? mercutio: it's in openindiana but not opensolaris
you can run this utility to disable sync on zvol's on opensolaris Webhostbudd_: no, sorry, btrfs ssd detection mercutio: http://milek.blogspot.co.nz/2010/02/zvols-write-cache.html
oh
no idea Webhostbudd_: wow, what's the deal with the llvm+clang hate
christ
especially the fact that people think it is pioneered by apple mercutio: heh ***: HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks
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HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks jpalmer: istanbul, not constantinople. mercutio: that was a long time ago jpalmer jpalmer: it was recently remixed :P ***: heavysixer has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)
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