w00t, finally got SeaBIOS to display the "Press F12 for boot menu" stuff..  it is actually disabled by default in qemu (and the libvirt in Lucid does not have the option to enable it).  LOL
time for a seabios PPA
default wait is 2.5 seconds for that too; who thinks of that?!  I increased it to 15...
nice
yeah 2.5 is badbadbad if you are vncin
yeah
while i'm at it, i wonder if i can get it to display over the serial port...   then vnc would never be required for those who like to use the serial console!
up_the_irons: dooling in anticipation!
LOL
how did i know toddf would be the first to drool...
apparently i need to load this up as an option rom http://code.google.com/p/sgabios/
srs that would rock
oh lawdie - arp how i <3 the
up_the_irons: http://bolddaemon.com/ <-- not done yet .. but that's gonna be my new techblogiethinger
qbit: heh
i need id
You what?
need identity
/usr/bin/id
Is this like that scene from Hackers where Joey needs a handle?
i cant get in
a real id
...
to purchase
www.real-ids-cheap.info
the park at Alvarado and 6th st downtown LA might be your best bet
no other options?
are you sure of this informantion
I have no idea what's going on here.
jack122: What can we help you with?
id
hahaha
wtf
sounded like he wanted a fake id. cant get into the bar.
but here?
this is definitely the channel I come to for info like that
Or maybe he already has an ego and super-ego.
good point
up_the_irons, do you use 7200 RPM or higher drives in the hosts?
all SSD, all the time
oh?
i thought it was 7.2k
mna: i think he's doing raid 10 with 7.2k disks
i'd prefer sas 15k disks too :)
as long as someone else pays for them
mike-burns: Freudian!
mnathani: 7200
7201
one faster
heh
even 7.2k disks can vary in access times
 5:50PM  up 388 days, 19:58, 4 users, load averages: 0.03, 0.03, 0.00
:D
How come this channel has wiki in the topic, but no wiki exists?
no wiki exists?
how can that be?
o
it redirects...
good question then
maybe its related to the website restructuring
up_the_irons: CAN HAS WIKI?
I know it used to exist but was taken down due to spam
but the link remains, perhaps it should redirecto to the page that mentions a wiki used to exist
or it can just be taken out >.<
a wiki is not likely to happen :P
wikis are good.. just enforce authentication ;)
mjp: oh man, spammers have come far in beating wikis' authentication.
mnathani: dang, i totally forgot to take that out of the topic. there _was_ a wiki, but got too much spam so i took it down.
I just disable wiki registration. Bam.
mercutio: indeed, i think i'm going to get a batch of RE4's, which have really good access times
mhoran: oh, and just create accounts for trusted users manually?  i actually hadn't though of that...
*thought
up_the_irons: sweet
is it a mix atm?
mercutio: mostly Hitachi
had some Seagate, but they broke a lot
ahh what are hitachi like?
I have some RE3's, even one already failed
fml
re2s sucked
i don't know much about re3s
mercutio: hitachi are decent.  seagate died a lot, i didn't want WD b/c of price and also their TLER fiasco, so what is left?  so i tried hitachi and they have worked out pretty good
yeh it was about 2009 they stopped the TLER fix working i think
I've never had any drive make not fail on me at some point. I just don't even try differntiating any more. :(
up_the_irons: Yeah.
I just try to not buy too many of the same model.
the seagate cheetah's are ok
up_the_irons: Works great. :)
but i don't really trust 7200.7 to 7200.12
In not working great news, the ALSA bug tracker has been down for weeks.
i can't remember sata/ide disks before that
Nobody seems to care.
Also, nobody at Debian seems to want to answer my bug reports. :(
alsa bug tracker is never up to date anyway
well it wasn't years back at least
i don't  imagine it's changed
Yeah.
Pretty frustrating.
i ported my own  sound card driver from netbsd to openbsd once
and i was reading more about sound card stuff back then
(cmi8738)
those cards used to be the only ones with digital output that were cheap
and easily available
nice
but the openbsd driver didn't support digital output
Hmm. I wonder if FreeBSD supports HDMI audio properly. I'd switch to that.
Oh it does. Hmm.
mhoran: most motherboards have onboard sp/dif now
I prefer HDMI audio, since it can do 7 channel PCM, and also requires only one cable.
oh yip
But yes, it does have S/PDIF out.
i'm doing two channel audio
i only have two ears
Yeah. My rear speakers are in a place that I can't hear them anyway.
mhoran: thanks for that tip, i'm putting "get the wiki back up" on the near todo list :)
Nice!
out of curiousity does anyone know how to seperate subwoofer output?
i wanted to try using my bass amp as a subwoofer
as it has a 15" speaker
Need something to cut off the low frequencies, look up where your speakers cut out and then get the components to split off those frequencies.
well it's an amp too
so i need at at the line stage
Oh. my receiver just has line out for subwoofer.
And that comes from the .1 channel on the source.
yeah i don't have it on mine
i was wondering if sound card could do it
You might still be able to do something similar.
Sound card could probably do it.
mercutio: look for a low pass filter
mhoran: a crossover?
i'm installing my first CentOS 6.3 system on a dedicated server...  Just so I can have something to upgrade the RAID firmware.  Why CentOS?  It was in the virtual drive...  and I figure, might as well get experience with this so I can start offering it as a "template" install
it haz graphikz
gui installz!
cool
is it shiny?
not cool
;)
i forgot to add "text" param
oh well, it's interface is pleasing enough
mhoran/up_the_irons: exactly..i was thinking auth for customers only using their existing creds, though im sure people dont want this as an attact vector for bad people to brute force accounts here
mjp: i'm just gonna make auth's for those who want access; it's not many, but some do
LOL, CentOS's boot after install has a graphical progress bar
Wow.
where do you set networking in cent...
isn't it like /etc/sysconfig or someting?
like /etc/sysconfig/network/if-eth0 ?
 /etc/syscofig/network-scripts/*
jpalmer is probably right :)
it's been years
thanks :)
Ugh. CentOS.
Worst.
lol
mhoran: i gotta say, yum is pretty snazzy in how it picks the fastest mirror...
fastest / closest
Noo. When you're deploying to 25 servers and they all have to yum update every time you try to install a package and they run fastest mirror and it takes 15 minutes ...
jpalmerz: can one see which mirror yum is using?  i just did "yum install wget" and while everything worked fine, i don't know which mirror it used and it would be cool if i could see it be mine ;)
I don't like that there's no apt-get update equivalent.
mhoran: lol, o'rly? hah
Or, rather, you can apt-get install something, without updating.
You can't do that with yum, AFAIK.
mhoran: the equiv would probably be download the .rpm and 'rpm -Uvh <foo>'
Yeah.
Oh one cool thing you can do is rpm -i <url>
up_the_irons: the first time you use it,  no.  it'll be cached.   if you 'yum clean all'  it'll check again and tell you.
jpalmerz: ah ok
mhoran: yeah, that is neat
up_the_irons: what ya doing with Cent?
jpalmerz: just upgrading the raid firmware on this new box...  it had cent already in the virtual media, so i figured what the hell..  i wanna make centos templates anyway (so we go from "install it  yourself" to "officially supported, clicky-click on the order form")
so i figured i should practice :)
hehe
cool
mhoran: that's not the problem with centos.
the problem with centos is when you have 25 servers running centos 5.
and want to upgrade to centos 6.
"I'm supposed to reinstall? Are you fucking kidding me?"
jdoe:  that's easy to fix/address.
puppet.  re-provision an identical host in minutes :)
jdoe: like many other OS's,  major upgrades are possible, but not officially supported (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc etc)
except in a decade I've never had a problem with make buildworld/installworld ;)
and many people don't.  it's still not officially supported.  many people have upgraded CentOS5 to CentOS6.  it's just not officially supported.
whoa, you grew a z
o.O
only until my vps works again :P
lol
jpalmerz: what's the allure of linux over freebsd, for you?
allure?  none.   I work for a company that uses CentOS.
i know how to use linux as a desktop, but not fbsd >.>
what's to know?
how to get audio working
and uh
jpalmerz: major upgrades on freebsd *are* supported.
probably thats it -.-
and the point is moot, I don't want something that may work, sorta, I want something that *does* work :P
jdoe:  major upgrades on freebsd have *never* been supported.  and unless that changed after 7.x,  they still aren't.
milki: isn't that covered in the Handbook? it used to be.
(I switched to Macs for my desktops about 8 years ago)
i can get audio sounds
but no quality -.-
it degrades and degrades
mhoran: pkg_add has http support too
oh, that sucks.
milk: get another sound card
they're cheap now
but the sound card works fine in linux -.-
cos onboard is so good
mercutio: they've been overcharging us for years???
fink: on what?
mercutio: the sound cards, as you said
oh umm
i dunno
i've bought 3 sound cards in the last 15 years.
i think one was $40, the other $60, the other $50.
NZD that is
which is worth slightly less than USD
but like two of them were yeras back
the other one was second hard
hand
it was like $50 for X-Fi creative
maybe itw as less actually
but that was so that I could do low latency
the other two were cheap cmi8738 chipsets that had  digital output
the more expensive one had 6 channel support, the cheaper one 4 channel supprot
jdoe: I stand corrected.  it looks like major version upgrades are supported now.  I know they definately werent in 3->4  or 4->  whichever one it was where they changed the /dev stuff
i didn't want 6 channel support, but it's all i could get at the time, and i needed digital output at home and at work
cmi8738 based cards ar efine though
jpalmerz: I don't know about that far back, but they were supported pre-7.x too. The buildworld route has been in the handbook for a long time.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-1-Surround-Sound-PC-Card-CMI8738-Game-Midi-Port-/230837419793?pt=US_Sound_Cards_Internal_&hash=item35befb7f11
and 7.x had freebsd-update
jdoe: I've been using that method since 4.2
I THOUGHT YOU WEREN'T TALKING TO ME, BITCH.
that's elsewhere!
jdoe:  the buildworld *method* has worked since 3.x,     that does *not* mean it was officially supported by the project. :)
but my point remains, centos sucks ;)
jpalmerz: I'm pretty sure it was when I started using it, shrug.
thanks fink for the introduction
can i get my freaking arpnetworks tshirt now???
i saw two words
openbsd and sinatra
i immediately knew arp networks is where i belong
... lol
make that three words: los angeles
that is 4.  :P
the 5th word you need to know,  is 'sarcasm'  hehe
hehe
mnathani: looks like kvr02 works fine for that stuff we were doing yesterday
Hey how do I know ARP Networks won't pry into my VPS and steal all my source code?
abletony84: they won't, but i might
Well,  technically you don't.  but,  you've got some longtime customers here who'd be willing to vouch for them.  For whatever that's worth.
but technically, you don't know that any service provider wouldn't.  at some point you just have to trust someone. :)
could you encrypt your disk?
true that jpalmerz
sure, but what would that get you? :P
fink,  it'd have to be decrypted to mount.  your provider could just wait until it's mounted to snoop
fink: yeah i guess i could
jpalmerz: the bastards
hehe
it's that damned cloud, I tell ya!
dont their terms or acceptable use policy mention something about this though?
it only seems to talk about what users can't do, not what arp itself can't do
abletony84: arp is reliable.  they are trustworthy.  I have several git repo's hosted on arp vps's.
but as with anything, you have to guage *your* trust level with them.
hmmmm
they certainly look more trustworthy than any other provider i've ever come across
just taking precautions thats all
understandable.
I just want to make sure you're aware..  whether it's arp, or someone else (github or whatnot)  you eventually *do* have to simply trust that the provider isn't going to be malicious.
jpalmerz: glad to hear. I would like to hear up_the_irons explanation for all those errors though. My guess is memory related / swap related on the actual host
mnathani: I dunno.  I'm just glad to finally have it fully working, on the first try :)
mnathani: thanks for your help last night though.  REALLY appreciated it.  I was going crazy. lol
maybe you can give me a pointer or two on puppet when you get going..
mnathani: sure thing.  I don't pretend to be a guru or anything,  but I'm probably capable of helping steer you in the right direction.
jpalmerz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i2ZPMsFBU8
yay!   backups installed!
s/installed/restored/
you guys allow cifs traffic right?
Webhostbudd: AFAIK,  the only filtering they have, is to prevent bruteforce ssh attacks.
figures
customers get their own unfiltered VLANS, if you have multiple vps's.  so, you could definately do cifs there.
im pretty sure i had a CIFS share here before actually
biting myself for going with some real cheap garbage to try and flash my dedicated server
when they end up filtering cifs
Would I need to add a pf rule for dkim-milter? https://gist.github.com/3354181#file_1
I.e. pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to any port 8891 keep state (max-src-conn 100, max-src-conn-rate 15/5, overload <bruteforce> flush global)? Here's my pf.conf: https://gist.github.com/3354181#file_4
brb
mnathani: jpalmer : guys, I have _no_ idea why it worked on kvr02.  When I make my own CentOS templates, I'll have to look into this further.  But for now, if it works, it works.
verified kvm versions are the same ( i use my own ppa, which is identical across all hosts )
hah, it picked us for "updates":
[root@localhost ~]# yum install sl
Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto
Determining fastest mirrors
 * base: centos-distro.cavecreek.net
 * extras: mirrors.usc.edu
 * updates: mirrors.arpnetworks.com
i wonder why not base or extras
irons|xchat: yo