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| up_the_irons | w00t, finally got SeaBIOS to display the "Press F12 for boot menu" stuff.. it is actually disabled by default in qemu (and the libvirt in Lucid does not have the option to enable it). LOL
time for a seabios PPA default wait is 2.5 seconds for that too; who thinks of that?! I increased it to 15... | [06:12] |
| qbit | nice
yeah 2.5 is badbadbad if you are vncin | [06:22] |
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| up_the_irons | yeah
while i'm at it, i wonder if i can get it to display over the serial port... then vnc would never be required for those who like to use the serial console! | [06:37] |
| toddf | up_the_irons: dooling in anticipation! | [06:47] |
| up_the_irons | LOL
how did i know toddf would be the first to drool... apparently i need to load this up as an option rom http://code.google.com/p/sgabios/ | [06:47] |
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| qbit | srs that would rock
oh lawdie - arp how i <3 the up_the_irons: http://bolddaemon.com/ <-- not done yet .. but that's gonna be my new techblogiethinger | [07:11] |
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| toddf | qbit: heh | [07:29] |
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| jack122 | i need id | [10:26] |
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| meingtsla | You what? | [10:41] |
| jack122 | need identity | [10:43] |
| twobithacker | /usr/bin/id | [10:48] |
| mike-burns | Is this like that scene from Hackers where Joey needs a handle? | [10:49] |
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| jack122 | i cant get in
a real id | [10:51] |
| doomviking | ... | [10:55] |
| jack122 | to purchase | [10:56] |
| twobithacker | www.real-ids-cheap.info | [10:57] |
| doomviking | the park at Alvarado and 6th st downtown LA might be your best bet | [11:02] |
| jack122 | no other options? | [11:03] |
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| jack122 | are you sure of this informantion | [11:09] |
| mike-burns | I have no idea what's going on here.
jack122: What can we help you with? | [11:10] |
| jack122 | id | [11:24] |
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| mercutio | hahaha
wtf | [11:28] |
| doomviking | sounded like he wanted a fake id. cant get into the bar. | [11:29] |
| mercutio | but here? | [11:29] |
| doomviking | this is definitely the channel I come to for info like that | [11:29] |
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| mike-burns | Or maybe he already has an ego and super-ego. | [11:31] |
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| doomviking | good point | [11:48] |
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| mnathani | up_the_irons, do you use 7200 RPM or higher drives in the hosts? | [13:07] |
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| doomviking | all SSD, all the time | [13:36] |
| mercutio | oh?
i thought it was 7.2k mna: i think he's doing raid 10 with 7.2k disks i'd prefer sas 15k disks too :) as long as someone else pays for them | [13:38] |
| kraigu | mike-burns: Freudian! | [13:41] |
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| up_the_irons | mnathani: 7200 | [14:00] |
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| mercutio | heh
even 7.2k disks can vary in access times | [15:09] |
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| phlux | 5:50PM up 388 days, 19:58, 4 users, load averages: 0.03, 0.03, 0.00
:D | [15:50] |
| mnathani | How come this channel has wiki in the topic, but no wiki exists? | [16:00] |
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| milki | no wiki exists?
how can that be? o it redirects... good question then maybe its related to the website restructuring | [16:30] |
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| milki | up_the_irons: CAN HAS WIKI? | [16:39] |
| mnathani | I know it used to exist but was taken down due to spam
but the link remains, perhaps it should redirecto to the page that mentions a wiki used to exist | [16:41] |
| milki | or it can just be taken out >.< | [16:47] |
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| jdoe | a wiki is not likely to happen :P | [16:56] |
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| mjp | wikis are good.. just enforce authentication ;) | [17:15] |
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| up_the_irons | mjp: oh man, spammers have come far in beating wikis' authentication.
mnathani: dang, i totally forgot to take that out of the topic. there _was_ a wiki, but got too much spam so i took it down. | [18:38] |
| mhoran | I just disable wiki registration. Bam. | [18:39] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: indeed, i think i'm going to get a batch of RE4's, which have really good access times
mhoran: oh, and just create accounts for trusted users manually? i actually hadn't though of that... *thought | [18:40] |
| mercutio | up_the_irons: sweet
is it a mix atm? | [18:42] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: mostly Hitachi
had some Seagate, but they broke a lot | [18:43] |
| mercutio | ahh what are hitachi like? | [18:43] |
| up_the_irons | I have some RE3's, even one already failed
fml | [18:43] |
| mercutio | re2s sucked
i don't know much about re3s | [18:44] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: hitachi are decent. seagate died a lot, i didn't want WD b/c of price and also their TLER fiasco, so what is left? so i tried hitachi and they have worked out pretty good | [18:44] |
| mercutio | yeh it was about 2009 they stopped the TLER fix working i think | [18:45] |
| kraigu | I've never had any drive make not fail on me at some point. I just don't even try differntiating any more. :( | [18:45] |
| mhoran | up_the_irons: Yeah. | [18:45] |
| kraigu | I just try to not buy too many of the same model. | [18:45] |
| mercutio | the seagate cheetah's are ok | [18:45] |
| mhoran | up_the_irons: Works great. :) | [18:45] |
| mercutio | but i don't really trust 7200.7 to 7200.12 | [18:45] |
| mhoran | In not working great news, the ALSA bug tracker has been down for weeks. | [18:45] |
| mercutio | i can't remember sata/ide disks before that | [18:46] |
| mhoran | Nobody seems to care.
Also, nobody at Debian seems to want to answer my bug reports. :( | [18:46] |
| mercutio | alsa bug tracker is never up to date anyway
well it wasn't years back at least i don't imagine it's changed | [18:46] |
| mhoran | Yeah.
Pretty frustrating. | [18:46] |
| mercutio | i ported my own sound card driver from netbsd to openbsd once
and i was reading more about sound card stuff back then (cmi8738) those cards used to be the only ones with digital output that were cheap and easily available | [18:46] |
| up_the_irons | nice | [18:47] |
| mercutio | but the openbsd driver didn't support digital output | [18:47] |
| mhoran | Hmm. I wonder if FreeBSD supports HDMI audio properly. I'd switch to that.
Oh it does. Hmm. | [18:47] |
| mercutio | mhoran: most motherboards have onboard sp/dif now | [18:48] |
| mhoran | I prefer HDMI audio, since it can do 7 channel PCM, and also requires only one cable. | [18:48] |
| mercutio | oh yip | [18:49] |
| mhoran | But yes, it does have S/PDIF out. | [18:49] |
| mercutio | i'm doing two channel audio
i only have two ears | [18:49] |
| mhoran | Yeah. My rear speakers are in a place that I can't hear them anyway. | [18:49] |
| up_the_irons | mhoran: thanks for that tip, i'm putting "get the wiki back up" on the near todo list :) | [18:49] |
| mhoran | Nice! | [18:49] |
| mercutio | out of curiousity does anyone know how to seperate subwoofer output?
i wanted to try using my bass amp as a subwoofer as it has a 15" speaker | [18:50] |
| mhoran | Need something to cut off the low frequencies, look up where your speakers cut out and then get the components to split off those frequencies. | [18:51] |
| mercutio | well it's an amp too
so i need at at the line stage | [18:51] |
| mhoran | Oh. my receiver just has line out for subwoofer.
And that comes from the .1 channel on the source. | [18:52] |
| mercutio | yeah i don't have it on mine
i was wondering if sound card could do it | [18:52] |
| mhoran | You might still be able to do something similar.
Sound card could probably do it. | [18:52] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: look for a low pass filter | [18:58] |
| fink | mhoran: a crossover? | [19:05] |
| up_the_irons | i'm installing my first CentOS 6.3 system on a dedicated server... Just so I can have something to upgrade the RAID firmware. Why CentOS? It was in the virtual drive... and I figure, might as well get experience with this so I can start offering it as a "template" install
it haz graphikz gui installz! | [19:07] |
| fink | cool
is it shiny? | [19:10] |
| up_the_irons | not cool
;) i forgot to add "text" param oh well, it's interface is pleasing enough | [19:10] |
| mjp | mhoran/up_the_irons: exactly..i was thinking auth for customers only using their existing creds, though im sure people dont want this as an attact vector for bad people to brute force accounts here | [19:10] |
| up_the_irons | mjp: i'm just gonna make auth's for those who want access; it's not many, but some do
LOL, CentOS's boot after install has a graphical progress bar | [19:13] |
| mhoran | Wow. | [19:14] |
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| up_the_irons | where do you set networking in cent... | [19:17] |
| mercutio | isn't it like /etc/sysconfig or someting?
like /etc/sysconfig/network/if-eth0 ? | [19:17] |
| jpalmerz | /etc/syscofig/network-scripts/* | [19:17] |
| mercutio | jpalmer is probably right :)
it's been years | [19:18] |
| up_the_irons | thanks :) | [19:18] |
| mhoran | Ugh. CentOS.
Worst. | [19:19] |
| up_the_irons | lol
mhoran: i gotta say, yum is pretty snazzy in how it picks the fastest mirror... fastest / closest | [19:22] |
| mhoran | Noo. When you're deploying to 25 servers and they all have to yum update every time you try to install a package and they run fastest mirror and it takes 15 minutes ... | [19:23] |
| up_the_irons | jpalmerz: can one see which mirror yum is using? i just did "yum install wget" and while everything worked fine, i don't know which mirror it used and it would be cool if i could see it be mine ;) | [19:23] |
| mhoran | I don't like that there's no apt-get update equivalent. | [19:23] |
| up_the_irons | mhoran: lol, o'rly? hah | [19:23] |
| mhoran | Or, rather, you can apt-get install something, without updating.
You can't do that with yum, AFAIK. | [19:23] |
| up_the_irons | mhoran: the equiv would probably be download the .rpm and 'rpm -Uvh <foo>' | [19:24] |
| mhoran | Yeah.
Oh one cool thing you can do is rpm -i <url> | [19:24] |
| jpalmerz | up_the_irons: the first time you use it, no. it'll be cached. if you 'yum clean all' it'll check again and tell you. | [19:24] |
| up_the_irons | jpalmerz: ah ok
mhoran: yeah, that is neat | [19:26] |
| jpalmerz | up_the_irons: what ya doing with Cent? | [19:27] |
| up_the_irons | jpalmerz: just upgrading the raid firmware on this new box... it had cent already in the virtual media, so i figured what the hell.. i wanna make centos templates anyway (so we go from "install it yourself" to "officially supported, clicky-click on the order form")
so i figured i should practice :) | [19:28] |
| jpalmerz | hehe
cool | [19:29] |
| jdoe | mhoran: that's not the problem with centos.
the problem with centos is when you have 25 servers running centos 5. and want to upgrade to centos 6. "I'm supposed to reinstall? Are you fucking kidding me?" | [19:35] |
| jpalmerz | jdoe: that's easy to fix/address.
puppet. re-provision an identical host in minutes :) jdoe: like many other OS's, major upgrades are possible, but not officially supported (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc etc) | [19:39] |
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| kraigu | except in a decade I've never had a problem with make buildworld/installworld ;) | [19:41] |
| jpalmerz | and many people don't. it's still not officially supported. many people have upgraded CentOS5 to CentOS6. it's just not officially supported. | [19:42] |
| milki | whoa, you grew a z
o.O | [19:42] |
| jpalmerz | only until my vps works again :P | [19:42] |
| milki | lol | [19:42] |
| fink | jpalmerz: what's the allure of linux over freebsd, for you? | [19:44] |
| jpalmerz | allure? none. I work for a company that uses CentOS.
jpalmerz much prefers fbsd | [19:45] |
| milki | i know how to use linux as a desktop, but not fbsd >.> | [19:45] |
| kraigu | what's to know? | [19:46] |
| milki | how to get audio working
and uh | [19:46] |
| jdoe | jpalmerz: major upgrades on freebsd *are* supported. | [19:46] |
| milki | probably thats it -.- | [19:46] |
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| jdoe | and the point is moot, I don't want something that may work, sorta, I want something that *does* work :P | [19:47] |
| jpalmerz | jdoe: major upgrades on freebsd have *never* been supported. and unless that changed after 7.x, they still aren't. | [19:47] |
| kraigu | milki: isn't that covered in the Handbook? it used to be.
(I switched to Macs for my desktops about 8 years ago) | [19:47] |
| milki | i can get audio sounds
but no quality -.- it degrades and degrades | [19:47] |
| mercutio | mhoran: pkg_add has http support too | [19:48] |
| kraigu | oh, that sucks. | [19:48] |
| mercutio | milk: get another sound card
they're cheap now | [19:49] |
| milki | but the sound card works fine in linux -.- | [19:49] |
| mercutio | cos onboard is so good | [19:49] |
| fink | mercutio: they've been overcharging us for years??? | [19:51] |
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| mercutio | fink: on what? | [19:51] |
| fink | mercutio: the sound cards, as you said | [19:52] |
| mercutio | oh umm
i dunno i've bought 3 sound cards in the last 15 years. i think one was $40, the other $60, the other $50. NZD that is which is worth slightly less than USD but like two of them were yeras back the other one was second hard hand it was like $50 for X-Fi creative maybe itw as less actually but that was so that I could do low latency the other two were cheap cmi8738 chipsets that had digital output the more expensive one had 6 channel support, the cheaper one 4 channel supprot | [19:52] |
| jpalmerz | jdoe: I stand corrected. it looks like major version upgrades are supported now. I know they definately werent in 3->4 or 4-> whichever one it was where they changed the /dev stuff | [19:54] |
| mercutio | i didn't want 6 channel support, but it's all i could get at the time, and i needed digital output at home and at work
cmi8738 based cards ar efine though | [19:54] |
| jdoe | jpalmerz: I don't know about that far back, but they were supported pre-7.x too. The buildworld route has been in the handbook for a long time. | [19:54] |
| mercutio | http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-1-Surround-Sound-PC-Card-CMI8738-Game-Midi-Port-/230837419793?pt=US_Sound_Cards_Internal_&hash=item35befb7f11 | [19:55] |
| jdoe | and 7.x had freebsd-update | [19:55] |
| kraigu | jdoe: I've been using that method since 4.2 | [19:55] |
| jdoe | I THOUGHT YOU WEREN'T TALKING TO ME, BITCH. | [19:55] |
| kraigu | that's elsewhere! | [19:55] |
| jpalmerz | jdoe: the buildworld *method* has worked since 3.x, that does *not* mean it was officially supported by the project. :) | [19:55] |
| jdoe | but my point remains, centos sucks ;) | [19:55] |
| kraigu | jpalmerz: I'm pretty sure it was when I started using it, shrug. | [19:56] |
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| abletony84 | thanks fink for the introduction | [19:57] |
| fink | can i get my freaking arpnetworks tshirt now??? | [19:57] |
| abletony84 | i saw two words
openbsd and sinatra i immediately knew arp networks is where i belong | [19:57] |
| jdoe | ... lol | [19:58] |
| abletony84 | make that three words: los angeles | [19:59] |
| jpalmerz | that is 4. :P
the 5th word you need to know, is 'sarcasm' hehe | [19:59] |
| abletony84 | hehe | [20:00] |
| jpalmerz | mnathani: looks like kvr02 works fine for that stuff we were doing yesterday | [20:00] |
| abletony84 | Hey how do I know ARP Networks won't pry into my VPS and steal all my source code? | [20:04] |
| fink | abletony84: they won't, but i might | [20:05] |
| jpalmerz | Well, technically you don't. but, you've got some longtime customers here who'd be willing to vouch for them. For whatever that's worth.
but technically, you don't know that any service provider wouldn't. at some point you just have to trust someone. :) | [20:05] |
| fink | could you encrypt your disk? | [20:06] |
| abletony84 | true that jpalmerz | [20:07] |
| jdoe | sure, but what would that get you? :P | [20:07] |
| jpalmerz | fink, it'd have to be decrypted to mount. your provider could just wait until it's mounted to snoop | [20:07] |
| abletony84 | fink: yeah i guess i could | [20:07] |
| fink | jpalmerz: the bastards | [20:07] |
| abletony84 | hehe | [20:07] |
| jpalmerz | it's that damned cloud, I tell ya! | [20:08] |
| abletony84 | dont their terms or acceptable use policy mention something about this though?
it only seems to talk about what users can't do, not what arp itself can't do | [20:08] |
| jpalmerz | abletony84: arp is reliable. they are trustworthy. I have several git repo's hosted on arp vps's.
but as with anything, you have to guage *your* trust level with them. | [20:14] |
| abletony84 | hmmmm
they certainly look more trustworthy than any other provider i've ever come across just taking precautions thats all | [20:15] |
| jpalmerz | understandable.
I just want to make sure you're aware.. whether it's arp, or someone else (github or whatnot) you eventually *do* have to simply trust that the provider isn't going to be malicious. | [20:15] |
| mnathani | jpalmerz: glad to hear. I would like to hear up_the_irons explanation for all those errors though. My guess is memory related / swap related on the actual host | [20:18] |
| jpalmerz | mnathani: I dunno. I'm just glad to finally have it fully working, on the first try :)
mnathani: thanks for your help last night though. REALLY appreciated it. I was going crazy. lol | [20:18] |
| mnathani | maybe you can give me a pointer or two on puppet when you get going.. | [20:21] |
| jpalmerz | mnathani: sure thing. I don't pretend to be a guru or anything, but I'm probably capable of helping steer you in the right direction. | [20:21] |
| abletony84 | jpalmerz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i2ZPMsFBU8 | [20:24] |
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| jpalmerz | yay! backups installed! | [20:28] |
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| jpalmer | s/installed/restored/ | [20:29] |
| Webhostbudd | you guys allow cifs traffic right? | [20:39] |
| jpalmer | Webhostbudd: AFAIK, the only filtering they have, is to prevent bruteforce ssh attacks. | [20:45] |
| Webhostbudd | figures | [20:45] |
| jpalmer | customers get their own unfiltered VLANS, if you have multiple vps's. so, you could definately do cifs there. | [20:45] |
| Webhostbudd | im pretty sure i had a CIFS share here before actually
biting myself for going with some real cheap garbage to try and flash my dedicated server when they end up filtering cifs | [20:45] |
| abletony84 | Would I need to add a pf rule for dkim-milter? https://gist.github.com/3354181#file_1
I.e. pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to any port 8891 keep state (max-src-conn 100, max-src-conn-rate 15/5, overload <bruteforce> flush global)? Here's my pf.conf: https://gist.github.com/3354181#file_4 | [20:58] |
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| up_the_irons | mnathani: jpalmer : guys, I have _no_ idea why it worked on kvr02. When I make my own CentOS templates, I'll have to look into this further. But for now, if it works, it works.
verified kvm versions are the same ( i use my own ppa, which is identical across all hosts ) | [23:39] |
| hah, it picked us for "updates":
[root@localhost ~]# yum install sl Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto Determining fastest mirrors * base: centos-distro.cavecreek.net * extras: mirrors.usc.edu * updates: mirrors.arpnetworks.com i wonder why not base or extras | [23:47] | |
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| irons|xchat | irons|xchat dusts off xchat | [23:55] |
| up_the_irons | irons|xchat: yo | [23:55] |
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