#arpnetworks 2012-08-08,Wed

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up_the_irons:) [00:00]
mercutiodo you still have to specify ip unnumbered these days? [00:00]
up_the_ironsnow, if i assign the .0 to *another* router (but same vlan), for redundancy let's say, then have the host configured to have .0 as a lower priority default route, this could present some level of gateway redundancy on /30 links, something that is somewhat difficult (VRRP and HSRP don't support /30's "out of the box", need tricks)
mercutio: as of IOS 12.0, it is the default
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mercutioup_the_irons: i have a diff idea :) [00:02]
up_the_ironsmercutio: do tell :) [00:02]
mercutiocan you get kvm to restrict ip's?
and then just use /24s and vrrp?
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up_the_ironsmercutio: so a shared vlan type setup (which I think you're getting at) is not feasable (counter to my ideals of customer segregation and network design) [00:04]
arenlorWho the hell needs a 16 TB file, or a 1EB file system? btrfs is even more insane, 16 EB for both. [00:05]
mercutioup_the_irons: ok.. so it's partially about being shared on one network/ [00:05]
up_the_ironsarenlor: insane [00:05]
mercutiosegment [00:05]
arenlorup_the_irons: Do you even have 16 TB total? [00:05]
mercutiowell the other way to go is you take over the ip completely with a different router if the router goes down [00:06]
up_the_ironsmercutio: well, two things: 1) majority of customers have only 1 IP (/30), 2) VRRP or HSRP aren't exactly noted for their success stories. It is better for the client / host to make the proper routing desicision then to move some "magic" IP between separate switches [00:06]
mercutiobecause i think it's a different story using 4 ip addresses on a /30 then using a /31 with 2 addresses. [00:06]
up_the_ironsarenlor: 16TB total of what?:) [00:07]
arenlorup_the_irons: Disk space. [00:07]
mercutiowell what i hate most about vrrp is when things half work [00:07]
up_the_ironsarenlor: on all my hosts? [00:07]
mercutiobecause it's going out one router and coming back through the other. [00:07]
arenlorup_the_irons: Yeah, just wondering if ext4 could create a file larger than all your hosts could hold. [00:08]
mercutiobut vrrp does work reasonably often.. it's just when it doesn't it's more complicated. [00:08]
up_the_ironsmercutio: that's actually not too big a problem; the bigger problem is the IP moving around [00:08]
mercutiooh?
i've never found that to be a problem?
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up_the_ironsmercutio: routing is asynchronous anyway, so it doesn't matter if traffic comes in one way and leaves another [00:08]
mercutioup_the_irons: i just mean when things break
it makes it harder to debug
but all redundant solutions are harder to debug
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up_the_ironsarenlor: in total, across all hosts, i have about 104TB of space; but that couldn't be used for a single file obviously...
mercutio: yeah
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mercutioup_the_irons: you're using local storage? [00:09]
up_the_ironsmercutio: yep [00:10]
mercutiomm [00:10]
arenlorup_the_irons: True, at least makes me a little more sane to know that you have more space than ext4 can take up in one file. Btrfs would still think that's a tiny file. [00:10]
mercutiohow often do you have router failures?
arenlor: just because things "can" scale doesn't mean they will
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up_the_ironsarenlor: lol [00:11]
arenlormercutio: I've only ever seen one I think, and it was for only a short bit. [00:11]
mercutioi would be very hestitant about having a 100tb file system with btrfs
hell i'm hesistant about having a 1tb file system with btrfs
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arenlormercutio: Try 16 EB [00:11]
mercutiocos i think in some ways automatic failover isn't really necssary
but having backups of router config
being able to get something up and going quickly etc is handy
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up_the_ironsmercutio: i've never had a router failure, but i know one day it is inevitable. i am preparing for that possibility. i hate single points of failure [00:12]
mercutioup_the_irons: well so do i :) ..
but
i think host failure is more likely
and while you're using local storage...
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arenlorup_the_irons: Have you looked at netflix's monkey to see if it's usable for you? [00:13]
up_the_ironsmercutio: well, yes, and so i've already prepared for that :) [00:13]
mercutiothere's a higher chance of a protracted outage from that then router.
ok :)
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up_the_ironsarenlor: i only just heard of it
haven't really looked further
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mercutionot trying to tell you what to do.
just giving my input :)
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up_the_ironschaos monkey or something? [00:14]
arenlorup_the_irons: Yep [00:14]
up_the_ironsmercutio: we have failures in local storage frequently, but it is a RAID 10, so the drive gets replaced. No big deal, that problem is already solved. [00:14]
arenlorup_the_irons: Why 10? [00:15]
up_the_ironsi watched a talk by a guy from Edgecast; they have 6000 servers. he says they have a HD failure every 12 hours :) [00:15]
mercutiowell as long as you don't have two disks die at once :) [00:15]
up_the_ironsarenlor: speed and more drives can fail
mercutio: sure, of course
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mercutioup_the_irons: i wonder how many memory stick failures they get [00:15]
up_the_ironsyeah
i've only had 1
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mercutiomemory stick failures can be confusing though [00:16]
up_the_ironsspinning things die a lot faster... ;) [00:16]
mercutioyeh
are you using sata disks?
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arenlorHeh, this is how efficient RAID 2 is: 1 − 1/n ⋅ log2(n-1) [00:17]
mercutiohuh?
what's raid 2?
and those don't show
oh hamming codes :)
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arenlormercutio: You don't know what RAID 2 is? [00:19]
mercutiowell it's not exactly common
but i found wikipedia entry ;)
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arenlormercutio: True. I have to go lookup what exactly RAID 1+0 does, but I know RAID 2. I think something is wrong with me. [00:19]
mercutioarenlor: heh
heard of raidz-2?
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arenlormercutio: Nope. [00:20]
mercutiobasically 4 disks plus 2 partiy
or such
but any two disks can die
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up_the_ironsmercutio: yeah, sata [00:21]
mercutioup_the_irons: re4s? [00:21]
arenlormercutio: Nice. [00:21]
up_the_ironsmercutio: nah, too expensive and i've had just as many failures with so-called "enterprise" drives than regular drives, so i stay with the regular ones [00:22]
mercutioup_the_irons: ahh..
i've been using diff disks
and i've noticed that some disks are a lot faster with raid 10 type configs than others
err or some are slower
but it's not the same as desktop benchmarks
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up_the_ironsyeah
mercutio: which are you finding are the fastest?
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mercutioumm slowest is ST32000641AS
WD2002FAEX-0 is faster
i'm not sure what fastest are :)
zfs is kind of special in that it'll push more load to faster disks
though
err i mean "idle" disks
like it's not strictly balanced
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up_the_ironsah [00:27]
mercutiobut yeh the seagates seem wlower
that's an older seagate though
older wd too
i haven't tried in raid yet
but in desktop usage the new seagates are fast
the new ones are 1tb/platter
think is it's about seek time and stuff more when you do lots of small tranfers
that happens with raid
those seagates are from when the flooding happened
and limited availability of hard-disks
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up_the_ironsyeah
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rykup_the_irons: around?
got your message from last night
the VPS was indeed booted, and vnc never responded
when it is shut down, i get a 'connection refused' which is a slightly different scenario
rebooting did solve the problem, vnc is now back up, but I was hoping to not have to resort to that, as I lost my console session.
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mikeputnamanyone know roughly how much disk it would take to apt-mirror the ubuntu 12.04 updates locally? [11:51]
arenlormikeputnam: No idea, but I think that up_the_irons has/was working on a local mirror. [11:56]
mikeputnamfound it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors/
~600GB
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up_the_ironsmikeputnam: yeah, 600GB is about the size of our Ubuntu mirror
ryk: see the "Some things to note" section here: http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/vps/out-of-band-management
ryk: you might have had another session (stale) open somewhere else
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rykinteresting. what if it was on my computer?
as in, the original session was on my computer, and i rebooted; shouldn't that have reset it?
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toddfryk: oob connects to a tcp socket the kvm instance that is the equivalent of 'qemu' running on his system.
ryk: the only time you get disconnected is if you poweroff your kvm instance
*egg on face* sorry up_the_irons I forgot you have the older libvirt that can't do the 'system_reset' equivalent just yet
so if you reboot your guest os, your oob will survive
if you hard poweroff your vps, your oob should die and force you to reconnect
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arenlor.clear
heh oops
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redstealhum, My server ping time out 4 time tonight is there any reason [19:54]
milkii havent had any problems [19:54]
mhoranSeems like some network issues, but I'm not having any troubles anymore. Possibly routing, I only lost connection from home. [19:54]
redstealit's ok now
but 13h30 to 14h35 (GMT -5) got 4 connectivity drop
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finki lost connection too
must be sunflares
or thor is sucking up our bandwidth
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mercutioheh i was wondering where you were connecting from redsteal
but you're connecting frmo your vps i see :)
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up_the_ironsredsteal: what is your vnc host? (so i know what host you are on)
think I found it, kvr25
No issues on that host tonight
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jlgaddis< redsteal> hum, My server ping time out 4 time tonight is there any reason <-- yeah, up_the_irons got bored this evening, went into the datacenter, and was randomly unplugging cables and plugging them back in to see if anyone would notice
seriously, though, the issues could have been at any hop in between you and your vps
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mercutiojlg: mhoran had issue too?
but they both may be using hte same isp or path
according to nanog bell canada had a big issue recently
and peering between glbx and level 3 broke
mzima seems to send a lot of traffic through glbx... and level 3 are huge.. so if your isp is using level 3 that could explain it
(and mzima don't directly peer with level 3.. but peer through glbx)
i thought level3 owned glbx though
and i do mean gblx not glbx
mm reading furhter
http://www.bgpmon.net/bell-leak.txt
bell canada did a route leak.. which included arp networks
http://seclists.org/nanog/2012/Aug/231
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jlgaddismy monitoring systems didn't report any issues reaching my vps' [21:10]
mercutiojlg: i didn't notice any issues too [21:11]
jlgaddis(my own instance of opsview -- through level3 in chicago -- and pingdom -- through multiple carriers throughout the world)
arp has several different prefixes, though, so maybe they only hijacked a portion of them (and not the ones my vps' are on)
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mercutioit was all of them
it seems to be because arp have transit with tata
oh hangon
arp doens't have transit with tata do they?
i thought it was trit they had transit with
but basically the gist is bell canada was advertising when they shouldn't have been
and some people may have got a preferred route through them
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jlgaddisjlgaddis goes to catch up on nanog real quick [21:13]
mercutiowhich is what route filters are foor
limited by bell canada
and yo'll find the thread
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jlgaddis*nod* flipped over to my nanog folder and that thread is right on top [21:18]
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arenlorOther than massive ping times, can anyone tell me what could be causing this traceroute: http://pastebin.com/ip8ata5y because I'm wondering if my Internet is about to disappear on me. [21:35]
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jlgaddislatency/congestion in the ATM network between your CPE and your ISP's BRAS ?
or solar flares
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mercutioyou could be uploading a file arenlor [21:44]
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mercutioit's normal for adsl connections to ping upwards of 1 second when uploading due to "bufferbloat" [21:44]
arenlormercutio: Nope, that's just what my Internet does to me. [21:44]
mercutiowell there's extreme congestion
is there any open wifi?
bittorrent?
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arenlormercutio: Nope and nope. [21:45]
mercutiois your sync rate ok? [21:45]
arenlormercutio: Yep. It just is really shitty service.
I've seen it drop to ~80kbps
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mercutiowhat's your sync rate?
are there errors on the adsl statistics?
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jlgaddisdid you watch the video of the nanog presentation i linked to a few days ago? [21:46]
arenlorjlgaddis: I downloaded, but have not had time to watch it yet. [21:47]
mercutiojlg: what's the presentation on? [21:47]
jlgaddisi've made all my colleagues watch it a while back and suggest it to others all the time [21:47]
mercutiojlg: is it worse during the evening? [21:47]
jlgaddismercutio: traceroute [21:47]
mercutioi think the biggest problem with traceroute is you need to do it frmo both sides
and with udp and tcp and icmp
now days :)
well sometimes
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arenlorHeh, seems there are tons of errors with my dsl. [21:48]
mercutioarenlor: what's your atteunation?
attenuation?
downstream and upstream
if it's like > 60db you are likely to have shit connectivity
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arenlormercutio: Not sure where to find it. [21:49]
mercutiowhat kind of modem is it? [21:49]
arenlorShitty? [21:49]
mercutiowhat moedl?
model
a whole lot of them have mock interfaces on the net
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jlgaddislol [21:49]
mercutioor docuemntaiton
so i can tell you where to go :)
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mercutioyou could also try telnet
lots of broadcom chipsets have telnet open
admin/admin
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arenlormercutio: It says Sagecom SE567 on it, but no model number.[21:50] <mercutio> adsl info [21:50]
mercutiothat's a model number [21:50]
arenlorIt's one of the ISP provided things. [21:50]
mercutioare you with bell canada? [21:50]
arenlormercutio: Frontier. [21:51]
mercutiono idea who that is
but i serached that modem and it came up with bell canada
who had massive issues today :)
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arenlormercutio: 4th largest telecom in the US [21:51]
mercutiooh ok :)
i'm in new zealand...
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arenlormercutio: I know [21:52]
mercutiook
just saying i'm not completely ignorant
just not aware of stuff there so much
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arenlorIf it was Verizon, AT&T, or CenturyLink you'd have heard of it. [21:52]
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mercutiohttp://www.broadbandreports.com/comments/1677?1=1&p=7
i know comcast, verizon, at&t
dunno centurylink
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mercutioverizon fios seems common?
well with geeks i suppose :)
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arenlormercutio: Third largest telecom. Those three are the surviving Baby Bells. [21:53]
mercutioi'm not having luck finding much
is it the same as gigaset?
http://www.wikidevi.com/wiki/Sagemcom_SE567_(Frontier_Communications)
i think you had typo :)
oh god it's TI chipset
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arenlorarenlor is lightly dyslexic.
Got a clue what OAM end-to-end is?
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mercutiook do you have atm statistics? [21:56]
arenlorYep [21:57]
mercutiook
pastebin me them?
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arenlorhttp://pastebin.com/bSZf1a8K [21:59]
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mercutioit really doesn't line up very well [22:00]
arenlormercutio: How so? [22:01]
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jlgaddisclick "raw"
oh, doesn't help
88520 rx errors?
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mercutioarenlor: the columns to the words
88520 errors isn't bad enough to explain his problems
he's been doing a lot of packets
also look how high his transmit is compared to receive
i mean he's doing more transmitting than receiving
aren: you might have a virus
are you using windows?
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up_the_ironsmercutio: HGC (Hutchinson Global Communications) also leaked routes, for months actually. I tried to contact them, as well as Internode, but to no avail. I actually had to shut off their peer. Was causing very bad routing from AU -> US through Internode [22:03]
arenlormercutio: Yeah, it could be that Freenet isn't being fair. [22:03]
mercutioarenlor: freenet? [22:04]
arenlormercutio: The Freenet Project [22:04]
mercutioup_the_irons: curious that internode are hard to contact
arenlor: do you do soemthign with them?
well you need to stop uploading as much arenlor
is the gist.
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up_the_ironsmercutio: Internode isn't hard, it is HGC that is hard [22:05]
arenlormercutio: I have it limited to < 20k up [22:05]
mercutioup_the_irons: oh right
i know nothing about HGC
arenlor: just disable it
and see if problem goes away
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arenlormercutio: I've tried, totally shut down the computer it's on, didn't help. [22:06]
mercutioup_the_irons: you don't have transit through TATA do you?
arenlor: how many computers do you have?
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arenlorhttp://i48.tinypic.com/34g9buo.jpg should line it up better. [22:06]
mercutiodude you have 384 kbit upload that sucks :)
well i'm sure you know that sucks
i wouldn't upload anything with 384kbit
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arenlormercutio: Depends on how you count. 3 computers, 2 cells, plus a verizon wireless extender. [22:07]
up_the_ironsmercutio: no Tata [22:07]
mercutioone of the problems with adsl is that if you have lots of small packets it can easily use up more than the kbit rate [22:07]
arenlormercutio: You're wrong, I have 384kbit MAX. [22:07]
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mercutioalso when it says 384 that includes overhead [22:07]
arenlorThe other day it was at a nice strong 8kbit. [22:08]
mercutioarenlor: you are likely to get about 38k/sec max
arenlor: can you hook up just one computer?
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arenlormercutio: I'm not sure what you mean by hook up one computer? [22:08]
mercutioyou've done like 3.7 gig of upload
in 10 days.
1 megabit can do 300 gig in a month
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mercutio(rough rule of thumb)
it's actually a bit higher
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arenlorI wonder how much of that is that it's our cell tower too. [22:09]
mercutioso that's like doing around 10 gig of upload a month
so 1/30th of 1 megabit
which means your average utilisation is about 1/10th
of you rbandwidth
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arenlormercutio: MAX bandwidth. [22:10]
mercutiodo you have a static ip? [22:10]
arenlormercutio: Nope, and every time you've seen my disconnect in here (~1/4hrs) I get a new one. [22:11]
mercutioi'd suggest running smokeping
oh
bah
just change isp's :)
if you have a linux host at hoem you could run it from home
generally speaking if it's your area/dslam being congested
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arenlormercutio: Yeah, speaking of, if next Wednesday 16:30 ET passes and I'm not happily annoucing the comcast guy is here, turn on the news that evening to learn about the destruction my wrath brings on them. [22:12]
mercutioaand what someone said about atm ould be correct
then it'll be worse during the evening
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arenlormercutio: My tower is Linux, and I duel boot. [22:12]
mercutioyeh the thing is you want to not pay your bill :)
based upon them not providing you a reasonable level of service
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arenlormercutio: I'm in America. [22:13]
mercutioyou can't do that there? [22:13]
arenlorIf it's on most of the time, they have fulfilled their contract. [22:13]
mercutiodon't you have any "reasonable" expectations?
like 8kbit isn't broadband
web sites not loading etc
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arenlormercutio: *I* do. They just have no requirement to meet them. [22:14]
mercutioi meant in law :)
i dunno
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arenlormercutio: That's what I mean, they have no legal requirements. [22:15]
mercutiothere have been court cases here over packet loss :/
but it's a bit diff for an individual
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mercutiowell yeh comcast may fix it [22:15]
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mercutiobut yeah 384kbit upload will suck at the best of times
well kind of
dropbox will screw it badly
web browsing will screw it
uploading files etc
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arenlormercutio: up_the_irons can provide shit service and all we get a choice to do is leave. Most ISPs in America require you to be in a contract, so you can't leave. [22:16]
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mercutiohmm [22:17]
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mercutioi hate contracts
i had a year long contract for dsl once
and it started sucking
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up_the_ironsif service is shitty, even with a contract, you can always cancel for non-performance [22:17]
arenlormercutio: only one year? [22:17]
mercutioalthough it was near the end of the year
i bitched
and it got faster
well it didn't quite go like that
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arenlorup_the_irons: Yeah but I only get "up to" so much. [22:18]
mercutiobasically there are two ways for isp's to get DSL here
with different handover/uplink
and one of them sucks and the other is good
and i got them to move me to the good one
by specificalyl asking for it
and most people would probably not know about hta
that
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arenlorI'm basically just happy right now that the phone can ring without taking down the Internet. [22:18]
mercutiobut like most providers in this country resell dsl
and all had the same issues
arenlor: do you have a master filter?
oh bah
you're moving to cable anyway aren't you
my dsl disconnected today :(
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arenlormercutio: Yes
mercutio: That sucks, what happened?
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mercutioand it wouldn't resync
well it resynced
but pppoa didn't come up
i rebooted it
and it came back up
but generally dsl is ok here
about 8 to 9 msec latency
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arenlormercutio: I called in and after a few hours they did something on their end, including something outside the house, that fixed the issue. [22:20]
mercutioi have smokeping of it [22:20]
arenlorI'm not even sure what in the hell could cause your phone line ringing to take down your DSL. [22:21]
mercutiohmm it's around 9 msec atm
arenlor: there's mre than one rason that can happen
i forget though
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arenlormercutio: I had good filters on. [22:22]
mercutioyeh
there's another reason to
too
when i got my line hooked up my phone didn't work
but my net did
and it didn't ring
lots of werid stuff can happen
then found out it did ring but with no noise
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arenlormercutio: That's really screwed up, but at least you had the Internet. [22:22]
mercutiooh it was dead copmletely at first
yeh
then the internet went away
and i'm like wtf
then someone turned up
bah
my attenuation is still higher than it should be though
which blocks me getting vdsl atm probably
so i'm stuck with shitty 16/1 internet
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arenlor16/1? [22:23]
mercutio16 megabit down 1 megabit up [22:24]
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arenlorarenlor sticks knife in mercutio and takes his internet. [22:24]
mercutiohahaha
yeh
i dunno comcast is pretty fast isn't it?
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arenlorI'll have 30 down, not sure what up, but the next lower was 4 up.
They sadly don't have the 105/105 out here :'(
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mercutiotbh
10 an d20 megabit isn't that diff for just web browsing
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arenlormercutio: I don't just browse the web. [22:25]
mercutiomultiple users and simultaneous transfers etc more helps
you've got 3 megabit atm :/
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arenlormercutio: Max. [22:26]
mercutioyeh
i had 1 megabit temp at the beginning of the year
[22:26]
arenlorI measured it a bit ago. 1.25 [22:26]
mercutiooh real
on speedtest.net?
i get over my line speed on speedtest.net
it's unreliable
it's better to just do an http download
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arenlormercutio: Comcast and speedtest [22:27]
mercutioyeh
don't trust those things
they can overestimate
i mean my adsl sync rate is like 17 or 18 megabit
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arenlorOne entertaining thing with this is that it takes time to echo keystrokes when I'm ssh'd into my VPS. [22:28]
mercutioand there are overheads
and i can get like 18.5 megabit
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arenlormercutio: Comcast has a file you download. [22:28]
mercutiooh real
i wonder what i get to it
i found some flash one
11.79/0.84 to san jose
comcast
peak 17.75 megabit
that peak is wrong
oh and i have to snr tweak agian
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arenlorI found a file while googling. [22:31]
mercutioahh ok
cool resynced
Path: 0, Upstream rate = 1144 Kbps, Downstream rate = 17603 Kbps
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arenlorNice, but what K are they using? [22:32]
mercutiohttp://stage.results.speedtest.comcast.net/result/160281622.png
that's kilobit
the upload was way too short
and ping is like twice what it is
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arenlormercutio: DSL reports may be better. I haven't checked theirs for a long time. [22:33]
mercutiohttp://stage.results.speedtest.comcast.net/result/160281772.png
see how the download speeds are higher than they should be
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arenlorYeah [22:34]
mercutioso yeh that's why i don't trust them
texas has lower ping than san jose
[22:34]
arenlormercutio: I'd like to see how that network happens. [22:35]
mercutiowhat do you mean? [22:35]
arenlorStill, if I'm supposed to have 2.5-3M and I'm getting 1.25 on the tests, I can assume that 1.25 is closer. [22:36]
mercutioChris: Hi, I'm a live Comcast product specialist. What questions can I answer for you today?
Chris: Just type your question below.
You: stop spamming me
Chris: I apologize for the inconvenience. Our chat window box will pop up once you are on the home page and is left idle.
Chris: Please enjoy your time on our site. In the meantime, let's move this window. That way, you'll still see this web page and I'll be here to answer any questions you may encounter. Please click 'Move Chat Window' to move it now.
Chris: Once you click on 'Move Chat Window' you can view our site and I can continue to assist you.
Chris: How are things coming along?
Chris: Are you still with me?
am i the only one that hates those things?
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arenlormercutio: I don't see those. [22:38]
mercutioChris: I haven.t heard from you in a while. Would you like to continue to chat?
You: Look! Leave me alone.
when does it go to a human?
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arenlormercutio: Try cursing or saying call 911 or something?
http://www.dslreports.com/im/102361591/78188.png
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mercutioi'm asking if they have gigabit
what did comcast speed test say?
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arenlormercutio: Careful, it's an American company, we've all seen what an American company can do to Kiwis. [22:39]
mercutiohuh? [22:40]
arenlormercutio: Megaupload?
http://stage.results.speedtest.comcast.net/result/160282572.png
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mercutiothat pignis fine
is traceroute still high?
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arenlormercutio: It's lower.
In 300s now, which is normal for half the time.
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jlgaddisheh, tweet from @bsdvps popped up in the bottom right of my screen and as i was reading it an email notification (alert for vps) popped up in the top right. good timing. [22:48]
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jlgaddismercutio: usually typing in (or saying, if you're on the phone) "cancel" gets you transferred to a real person pretty quick [22:50]
mercutiojlg: ahh [22:51]
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jlgaddisup_the_irons: "Date: 03/01/2010" whoops [22:58]
up_the_ironsjlgaddis: yeah i noticed that right after :(
a bit flustered right now, <sigh...>
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up_the_ironsi've been holding the hand of this raid since this morning [23:00]
jlgaddisunderstood. no worries. [23:00]
arenlorup_the_irons: Maybe you should stop the raid and pay attention to your servers :P [23:01]
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up_the_ironswut?:) [23:02]
arenlorup_the_irons: MMO joke. [23:03]
milkiLOL
you cant stop the raid
you must continue
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up_the_ironsah:) [23:04]
jlgaddisi'll leave you alone now so you can concentrate. good luck! [23:06]
up_the_ironsjlgaddis: thanks! :) [23:06]
arenlorup_the_irons: I'm fully willing to participate in distracting you if you need it. [23:06]
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up_the_ironsman, of *course* this host couldn't have stayed up a couple more weeks for me to reach 1000 days of uptime. grr!!! :) [23:07]
arenlorup_the_irons: That sucks. [23:07]
up_the_ironssrsly [23:08]
arenlorup_the_irons: You could just randomly reset them, then you wouldn't have to worry about uptime anymore. [23:09]
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up_the_ironsarenlor: lol [23:19]
arenlorup_the_irons: "uptime of 10 days, that's odd, why isn't it reseting itself?" [23:20]
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up_the_ironsman, i was afraid this would happen when i came here today. Both drives in a mirror had reallocated sectors, but one had > 900 and the other (newer one) only 27. Which one did I replace? The > 900 one of course, but now it looks like the one with only 27 rasect is barfing :( [23:28]
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mercutioup_the_irons: if a disk shows any errors it's bad :) [23:34]
jlgaddishmm [23:34]
mercutiocos it'a already used up it's ecc etc [23:34]
jlgaddisup_the_irons: in that case, data loss? [23:34]
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up_the_ironsjlgaddis: yup, data loss [23:44]
mercutioouch
time for raid 6?
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arenlormercutio: I still think RAID 2 is better, but no one implements it. [23:44]
mercutiothere's also raidz-2 [23:45]
up_the_ironsmercutio: no, reallocated sectors are normal, all disks have a reserve of sectors that get remapped by the firmware. however, if you start getting LOTS of them, then that is probably a sign the disk is gonna go
jlgaddis: actually, data loss is not necessarily the only option. it is possible the bad parts of the disk are unused. I had 2.18TB free in this volume, so if the bad parts are there, then it is possible the "good" stuff can still be copied off. that's what i'm investigating now..
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mercutioID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 105 099 006 Pre-fail Always - 8276127
this is bad right?
err actualyl i don't know if that's accurate
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up_the_ironsnot sure... [23:53]
mercutiowell both disks are showing hugely high numbers
they're not raided
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mercutiothe newer disk has a count of lba read/written
which seems insanely high too
"Once again, with most SMART registers the RAW Values are only meaningful to the drive maker. They are of no interest or meaning to users."
oh
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