[00:08] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [00:10] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [00:30] *** Ehtyar has quit IRC (Quit: I was raided by the FBI and all I got to keep was this lousy quit message!) [00:43] *** mjp has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [00:43] *** jlgaddis has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [00:51] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [00:58] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [01:11] *** mjp has joined #arpnetworks [01:11] *** jlgaddis has joined #arpnetworks [01:38] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [01:51] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [02:04] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [02:10] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [02:28] what good is a Serial port available over SSH for server management? [02:37] mnathani: Very good, in my experience [02:37] how would one use it? [02:38] You would ssh to somewhere which isn't your server and get yourself connected to the serial console of your server [02:38] would that be kind of like a kvm? [02:39] I believe so. I've never really seen the need for KVMs - you don't run GUIs on servers [02:40] It means that if your server is able to display boot messages on the serial port you can see why it's not booting, or you can log in to it and undo the firewall rule that mistakenly locked you out of the network interface [03:25] *** [FBI] starts logging #arpnetworks at Tue Aug 07 03:25:41 2012 [03:25] *** [FBI] has joined #arpnetworks [04:00] *** koan_ is now known as koan [04:43] andol: no plans for DNSSEC yet. Is it easy/hard to implement? [04:43] mjp: lol, "uuupnetworks" [04:49] jpalmer: I bet ARP Networks can help you out with the $700/month Linode and $3K dedi bill ;) [04:53] tooth: jdoe : I had a customer years ago that plugged in AT&T, Cingular, Verizon, etc... PCI cards into his 1U Windows box and was able to send SMS that way. I know it seems overkill but it did in fact work. [04:54] well, like 2 were PCI cards and the rest were USB dongles [05:11] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [05:12] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [06:30] *** lteo has joined #arpnetworks [06:30] yeah, i've done that at a few jobs [06:31] what I want is to receive sms and voice calls at the same numner [07:01] up_the_irons: On the resolver side it ought to be fairly trivial, at least assuming bind alt. unbound. Basically it is enabling an option or two and make sure that you have a copy of the (public) root key. [07:02] (Serving authorative domains using DNSSEC is a bit more work, especially getting resigning, key rotation, etc they way you want it.) [07:22] andol: roger that [07:23] andol: one of our resolvers is bind, the other is unbound. I'm planning on making a brand new resolver to replace the bind one (and it'll be unbound) [07:24] unbound is nice :) [07:29] Yes, unbound is much nicer than bind. I use anycasted unbound servers for customer facing resolvers [07:33] nice [07:33] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [07:42] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [08:04] well i more compare it to powerdns or dnscache [08:04] bind is disgusting :) [08:05] i was slightly surprised how quickly unbound caught on [08:06] but really, it's the people who are doing anycasting, multiple servers, large cache sizes, long ago split their dns between forward and recursive etc. [08:08] and lots of small installs are still using bind et.c [08:08] i'm using NSD myself [08:10] *** Webhostbudd_ has joined #arpnetworks [08:14] i didn't realise nsd did recursive? [08:15] unbound only does recursive [08:15] i use tinydns for authorative [08:16] nsd only does authoritative. [08:16] unbound can do some auth [08:16] two: only as much as things like dnsmasq? [08:16] dnsmasq is actually handy for home use [08:17] cos it does small caching recursive, dhcp, can publish records straight from /etc/hosts [08:17] local-zone stuff in the config [08:18] it even makes windows default host names pingable :) [08:18] I just recently switched my home router to dnsmasq, it is pretty slick [08:18] from the dhcp [08:18] yeh [08:18] ok i didn't know that two [08:18] i know about forward-zone? [08:19] # local-data: "mycomputer.local. IN A 192.0.2.51" [08:19] i see [08:20] that's probably similar to dnsmasq where you can just have some host names have ip's that don't go to another dns server [08:20] rather than being suitable for publishing on the net/ [08:20] you don't relaly want an open resolver [08:29] I use unbound for resolvers and a combination of bind and nsd for authoritative [08:30] I don't yet serve authoritative DNSSEC records (but do validate them in unbound). I'm considering moving to PowerDNS and using its live-signing setup where I just give it a key and ignore it, no need for periodic re-signing etc [08:51] I'm not sure how that works, unless you never do key rollover. [08:51] since you need to update the keys with your registrar, which is a manual step :P [08:53] It can be automated, but yes [08:53] with what registrar? [08:54] .uk and RIPE reverses are both automatable [08:55] The other reason I'm interested in PowerDNS is it's ability to serve DNSSEC signed data from a programatic or database driven backend where it's not feasible to know the previous/next records for NSEC purposes [08:57] (It helps that the company I work for is a RIPE LIR and a Nominet registrar) [09:02] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [09:09] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [09:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [09:15] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: BAMPF!) [09:18] *** gcw|mbpro has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [09:27] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [09:33] *** gcw|mbpro has joined #arpnetworks [10:00] *** gcw|mini1 has joined #arpnetworks [10:02] *** gcw|mbpro has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [10:02] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) [10:11] *** sako has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [10:19] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [10:19] *** sako has quit IRC (Changing host) [10:19] *** sako has joined #arpnetworks [10:37] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [10:52] up_the_irons: I have no doubts about that. It's an "all eggs in one basket" kinda thing. we have vps/dedi's spread across about 30 different data centers. [12:11] jpalmer: 30 different data centers? thats some asset allocation scheme you're pushing there. [12:17] jpalmer: wow, cool :) [12:30] toddf: we've built a "mesh network" of openvpn servers for our management network. openvpn can't handle a ton of traffic, so we had to scale up the number of servers. [12:31] obviously, not all of the vps's or dedi's are openvpn.. but we have at least one at each datacenter. [12:32] openvpn can't handle a ton of traffic? is its limitation the fact that it throws all encryption through a single userland process or ? IPSec I guess is not an option for some reason? [12:42] it's just less efficient than in-kernel ipsec. [12:43] it can handle "a ton of traffic" (for varying definitions of a ton, hardware dependent), it just suffers from additional overhead. [13:12] For anyone who has a printer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ1QMRRg__E [13:33] *** Webhostbudd_ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [13:50] i don't seem to be able to vnc into my console through either method (tunnelling or direct) [13:50] anyone else having an issue? [13:58] mailman still the suggested program? [14:00] ryk: You getting an error? [14:00] nah, just timing out [14:00] "Connecting..." [14:01] ryk: What client? [14:01] chicken.app, worked for this vps in the past. [14:01] Never heard of it, was going to see if I had it somewhere. [14:02] Got another VPS to try? [14:02] it's a fork from chicken of the vnc [14:03] You rememered to enter the correct port I'm assuming? [14:04] yeah, i don't have another vps to test against, but i know it's powered on, i can ssh in to a login prompt, but i forgot my username/password. [14:04] i had the preset in chicken.app saved, and of course the arp console gives you copy/paste ssh instructions. [14:05] both of them worked previously, i was just wondering if console.cust.arpnetworks.com might be down or something. [14:05] i thought i had ssh keys set up on the vps but apparently not [14:07] ryk: You can submit them at any time. [14:07] i have them in to the host, yes [14:07] i was talking about my instance. [14:09] was just hoping that someone else could confirm if the console server was down before i contact up_the_irons [14:09] ryk: It seems to be working for me so far. [14:12] ok, thanks. [14:13] ryk: What host are you on? [14:14] kvr19 [14:14] i can get in to the ssh console and even my ssh, but i just can't log in [14:15] just wanted to get in to my local vnc console because i think i left it logged in. [14:15] i can reboot, go into single-user mode, etc to reset my passwords, from the ssh console, but now i'm just wondering why my vnc console isn't working. [14:15] ryk: Yeah. Did it die maybe? [14:16] it definitely didn't, because the serial console puts me at a login prompt [14:17] with my hostname and everything [14:17] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [14:21] Your vnc port isn't 6059 right? [14:22] it is 5955 [14:23] 6059 is all the nmap is showing for it as open. [14:29] oops, my port is actually 6057 [14:29] i was looking as the ssh command at the local port [14:30] so that suggests that the kvr19 host itself is not listening [14:32] *** portertech has left [14:33] ryk: It would seem so. [14:34] I wasn't getting tripped up by the console server. that's only an ssh server used to bounce in [14:34] *was [14:34] up_the_irons: it seems kvr19 isn't listening to vnc [15:06] *** HighJinx_ has joined #arpnetworks [15:06] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:06] *** HighJinx_ is now known as HighJinx [15:28] *** arenlor has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [16:06] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [16:14] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [16:19] *** Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [16:19] *** fink has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [16:23] *** sako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [17:16] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [18:00] ryk: is your VPS running? VNC is attached to the VM process (each VM gets their own VNC server). So if your VM is down, so will be VNC. [18:19] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [18:37] booooo OpenBSD mail server [18:37] ddb> trace [18:37] Debugger() at Debugger+0x5 [18:37] panic() at panic+0x122 [18:37] em_rxeof() at em_rxeof+0x437 [18:37] em_intr() at em_intr+0x133 [18:37] Xintr_legacy11() at Xintr_legacy11+0xf4 [18:37] --- interrupt --- [18:38] Bad frame pointer: 0xffff80000627ef10 [18:38] end trace frame: 0xffff80000627ef10, count: -5 [18:38] cpu_idle_cycle+0x13: [18:38] ddb> [18:38] i get that like once every 6 months... [18:39] :( [18:58] pewpie [18:58] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [19:08] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) [19:40] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [19:46] up_the_irons: that looks like a crash in the interrupt handler of the em ethernet driver :( [19:47] mercutio: ah [19:48] interesting [19:48] yeh, but why's it happening :) [19:48] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) [19:48] i had some stalls on em driver, before, using a more recent kernel seemed to help [19:48] but that showed up in dmesg [19:50] the em driver is the most used network driver.. [19:50] well, ok it may not be most used.. realtek may be used more [19:51] but with people doing "important" things it's very very common [19:53] hrm, time to freebsd-update [19:54] http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pci/if_em.c [19:54] based on that there was some kind of crash from running out of file descriptors fixed in openbsd 4.7 [19:54] but that's ages ago. [20:01] i'd actually suspect that em_rxeof crash on the descriptor thing after reading logs and google [20:02] and that upgrading openbsd version could fix it [20:02] or just patching the ethernet driver and recompiling kernel [20:17] The most awesome support ticket ever received: https://gist.github.com/3291703 [20:17] It really takes the cake [20:18] LOL [20:18] im already laughing from the first line >.> [20:18] LOL, yeah!! [20:18] cd $dinner [20:19] that [20:19] is [20:19] awesome [20:19] epic [20:19] omg [20:20] * milki shares with the world [20:30] up_the_irons: are there discounts for deities? [20:47] Nice [21:07] are there more users on 768 mb of ram or 256? [21:13] mercutio: 768mb is the most popular plan [21:15] ahh ok [21:16] i'd rather more cpu than more ram myself :0 [21:16] :) [21:18] not that i'm really short on cpu or anything [21:22] fink: no deitie discount [21:25] *deity [21:25] up_the_irons: do you think you could consider a symlink of /pub to / on mirrors.arpnetworks.com? [21:25] or is it mirror [21:29] mercutio: perhaps, why? [21:31] ln -s pub . [21:31] > cd pub [21:31] -bash: cd: pub: Too many levels of symbolic links [21:31] hmm... [21:31] oddly, the ubuntu mirror has: [21:31] ubuntu -> . [21:31] and it works [21:34] works for me; ln -s . pub [21:35] if this is the intended outcome: ~/test/pub/pub/pub/pub/pub [21:35] heh [21:36] 2012-08-08 14:33 pub -> ./ [21:37] mjp: which OS? [21:37] oh duh, i'm retarded [21:37] i mixed up "pub ." vs. ". pub" [21:38] *** Webhostbudd has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [21:39] mercutio: ok, it's there now :) [21:40] thanks. [21:40] yip it's working. [21:41] was linux mint. iv banged my head on the symlink wall many times and I dont forget it now heh. link 'source -> destination' [21:41] i just think of it like "pull that to here" [21:41] ermm make that destination -> source heh [21:42] hahaha [21:42] so like ln -s /var/www/htdocs htdocs [21:42] will pull htdocs from over there to here [21:47] yeah [21:49] *** pcn has joined #arpnetworks [21:50] Good evening #arpnetworks [21:50] What's the usual time to set up a vps for a new customer? [21:50] I've just got off a 3-month crunch where my old debian box has mostly died and I'd liek to get a secondary MX up and running, start transferring dns, etc. And it's 12:50am and I've got a free hour. [21:50] *** arenlor has joined #arpnetworks [21:51] Gotta love being disconnected due to stupid internet. [21:52] up_the_irons: You have such awesome customers. 70 people lurking is proof of that. [21:52] pcn: i just happen to be doing some of those. Gimme 20 mins or less and you'll have it. [21:53] arenlor: I <3 my customers [21:53] arenlor: that support req. was amazing, i keep reading it again and again... ;) [21:54] up_the_irons: Is the requester in here to congratulate? [21:54] arenlor: i'm not sure [21:54] up_the_irons: thanks, I'll be here [21:54] arenlor: if they are lurking, they can chime in. after 70 nicks, it's real hard to remember who is who :) [21:55] up_the_irons: Some of us try to make that easy. [21:55] pcn: You'll be here, unless peer gets you. [22:02] arenlor: can you ummm... what? [22:02] Peer [22:02] pcn: i am jealous of your 3 letter domain name and pre-ARIN /24 :) [22:02] It resets connections and shit, yo. [22:02] * up_the_irons facepalms [22:03] up_the_irons that's actually my friend's. I'm spacey.org, but as I said, mail is dead there [22:03] pcn: ah ok [22:03] But sdb is old school, pre-cidr [22:03] pcn: If he gets sick of it I'll take care of it for him. [22:04] It makes the long sub-addresses I like for mail filtering a lot shorter, and he only has me and a couple of other friends there [22:04] arenlor get in line [22:05] pcn: Who do I have to encourage "having an accident" to be at front? [22:05] I ain't sayin' [22:06] market rate for transferring pre-ARIN IPs is about $10 per IP. So a /24 is worth about $25K :) [22:06] arenlor: so yeah, get in line :) [22:07] err... dang, no, that's $2.5K [22:07] Yeah. It's the guys who got /16s before e.g. NeXT could subnet that I wonder about [22:08] pcn: i've seen /16's go for about $500K [22:08] amazing [22:08] pcn: btw, your welcome email has been sent [22:09] Huh. It looks like ldp.com may still have their /16 [22:10] Good for them. [22:10] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [22:10] up_the_irons thanks, I'll go set that up now [22:10] I wonder if there's still any /8 out there. [22:11] pcn: no problem [22:11] there's heaps of /8s out there arenlor [22:11] 3.0.0.0/8 [22:12] general electric... [22:12] I wonder how much it'd cost to commit a super hostile takeover of one of those companies. I'd split it with anyone who helps. [22:12] i think ge are pretty big [22:14] Heh, the last half of TOS just keeps getting worse and worse. [22:14] You missed the bargain on lehman bros a few years back. They probably had a couple of /16's [22:14] s/of/of season three of/ [22:15] Is it better for me to try to do a dist-upgrade to ubuntu 12.04, or should I ask for the virtual disk to be replaced? [22:15] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [22:16] pcn: If you've not setup anything I'd ask first. [22:16] i'd do a dist-upgrade pcn [22:16] the biggest concern with upgrades is generally the kernel [22:16] pcn: I can put in the 12.04 iso if you like [22:17] and kvm makes it easy to go back to previous kernel [22:17] 3.0.0.0/8 8.0.0.0/8 12.0.0.0/8 15.0.0.0/8 16.0.0.0/8 17.0.0.0/8 18.0.0.0/8 32.0.0.0/8 33.0.0.0/8 35.0.0.0/8 38.0.0.0/8 44.0.0.0/8 53.0.0.0/8 55.0.0.0/8 57.0.0.0/8 73.0.0.0/8 126.0.0.0/8 214.0.0.0/8 [22:17] up_the_irons let's do that [22:17] there's quite a few /8s. [22:17] 8/8 is now google's right? Was BBN? [22:17] umm [22:17] whois [22:17] I'm testing my memory [22:18] LVLT-ORG-8-8 [22:18] level 3 [22:18] 12 is at&t [22:18] 15 is HP [22:18] wtf HP have a /8? [22:18] hahaa [22:18] 16 is HP too [22:19] ok if more ip's are neded I think HP need to give some back [22:19] Probably thru acquisition [22:19] 17 is apple [22:19] 18 is mit [22:19] 32 is at&t [22:19] 33 is gov [22:19] so 12 and 32 is at&t? [22:19] err dod [22:19] are: yeh [22:20] mercutio I'd bet that was via DEC [22:20] 35 is university of michigan [22:20] pcn: done; you will need to give it a hard shutdown and then Boot it from the Portal or SSH management console [22:20] 38 is cogent. [22:20] up_the_irons I'll read the docs [22:20] who are: OrgName: Amateur Radio Digital Communications [22:20] OrgId: ARDC [22:22] I'm pretty sure 38 ended up with cogent via acquisitions. I think it used to be a NE regional crappy ISP for .edus [22:23] mercutio: From what I can find, it's what it sounds. [22:23] Yeah, I think 38 was PSI/nysernet [22:23] yeh [22:23] found a web site [22:24] http://www.ampr.org/faq.html [22:24] they got space in the 80s, and it's not for sale [22:27] comcast have a /9 [22:28] no one needs that many addresses :p [22:28] ditto to verizon wireless [22:28] mjp: I do, that way each of my thoughts can have an IP [22:28] and t-mobile [22:28] haha [22:29] and ntt [22:29] so yeh some people have got a lot of the netspace [22:29] i wonder how many /16s are out there [22:30] mercutio: You'll start going insane if you go down that rabbit hole. [22:30] arenlor: well i have grep :) [22:30] # cat all-16s| wc -l [22:30] 12439 [22:31] 222681 [22:31] there are 222681 /24s... [22:32] from 420891 prefixes [22:32] so over half the internet is /24s... that makes me feel a little better :) [22:33] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) [22:35] For big address spaces, look at the space used up by aws now [22:35] what AS number are they on? [22:35] And I'm sure HP would love it if their cloud would have as many paying customers [22:37] 14618 it looks like [22:37] mercutio they're mutiple DCs in different areas so they're a variety of ASNs: https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?messageID=51028읔 [22:37] but everythign goes through 16509 first [22:37] oh they 8987 too [22:38] I have a /64 :P [22:38] get a /48 arenlor :0 [22:38] That's mighty mighty [22:38] i have a /32 [22:38] mercutio: I have no use for all that I have now. [22:38] That post I linked to is fun because you can watch the expanding from a few /19s to just huge swatches of ipv4 [22:39] 23.20.0.0/15 23.22.0.0/15 50.17.0.0/16 50.19.0.0/17 50.19.128.0/17 54.240.8.0/21 54.242.0.0/15 67.202.0.0/18 72.44.32.0/19 75.101.128.0/17 96.127.0.0/18 96.127.0.0/21 96.127.0.0/24 96.127.32.0/19 107.20.0.0/16 107.21.0.0/18 107.21.64.0/18 107.21.128.0/17 107.22.0.0/16 107.23.0.0/17 174.129.0.0/16 184.72.64.0/19 184.72.96.0/19 184.72.128.0/17 184.73.0.0/16 204.236.192.0/18 204.236.224.0/19 205.251.236.0/22 216.182.224.0/21 216.182.232.0/21 [22:39] not nearly as much as hp and the liek [22:39] arenlor: it's about autoconfig etc [22:39] True, they're not legacy. But that list will continue to grow [22:39] it is quite a few [22:40] oh 23.20.0.0/15 and 23.22.0/15 could be merged [22:41] into 23.20.0.0/14 [22:41] i still think it's less than hp :) [22:42] i don't have ipv6 bgp [22:42] so i have no idea how many /32s are on there [22:42] or anything bigger [22:42] the whole IPv6 routing table is about 10K prefixes [22:42] i remember when it was 600 :) [22:42] (circa 2007) [22:43] hmm [22:43] that's not too bad [22:43] up_the_irons: How much does it cost you for your /32? [22:43] arenlor: not sure separately, it is bundled with my IPv4 allocations ($2250 per year) [22:44] that doesn't seem that crazy [22:44] I wonder if IPv4 will ever go away. [22:44] 174.136.96.0/20 206.125.168.0/21 206.162.240.0/20 208.79.88.0/21 [22:44] hmm you have a few ip addresses [22:46] 48 class c's? [22:52] mercutio: i think it's a /19 equivalent [22:52] two /20s make a /19 [22:52] 2^5 = 32 [22:52] two /21s make a /20 [22:52] ah right, i forget about the 206.162.240.0/20 one [22:52] so you have 3 /20s ? [22:53] so a /19 equivalent and one /20 [22:53] yeah [22:53] so yeah, 48 /24's [22:53] except they're not adjacent [22:53] so you can't advertise /19 [22:53] right [22:53] still that doesn't seem that expensive [22:54] but getting more may be difficult [22:55] getting more is difficult, yes [22:55] and you're allocating a /30 per vps [22:56] so much more usage [22:56] but more protection [22:59] yeah [23:02] up_the_irons I seem to have just re-installed 10.04 from the virtual CD. Did I mis-understand that 12.04 was in there? [23:03] i'd imagine you didn't shutdown through the interface [23:03] pcn: Did you hard shutdown and boot? [23:03] pcn: it's in there, but you need to give it a hard shutdown and then boot, or else the changes do not take effect [23:04] Ah, got it. My bad [23:04] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [23:07] up_the_irons: How's the connection with comcast? [23:08] arenlor: wut [23:08] up_the_irons: Do you peer with Comcast, or do they only give you a shitty connection? [23:09] arenlor: oh, i don't peer with Comcast. it would be great if i did :) [23:09] maybe just download the speed test? [23:09] mercutio: Don't have comcast yet. [23:09] oh [23:09] Just hoping that he would say something like, perfect 100% speed no matter what. [23:09] * arenlor is still mad that Comcast is my great hope for fast stable internet. [23:10] trace to www.comcast.net goes through mzima/glbx/qwest [23:10] oh hangon [23:10] that's akamai [23:10] ? [23:10] mzima have direct peer with comcast [23:10] Doesn't comcast own akamai? [23:10] oh? [23:11] i'm tracing to mx4.comcast.net [23:13] mercutio: arenlor : mzima does have a comcast peer, I believe [23:14] "We do not offer peering, paid or otherwise, on the shared fabric public switches at any IX. [23:14] " [23:14] they're at one wilshire way [23:14] but don't do peering on shared switches at least [23:14] they probably would want to charge to peer [23:14] Huh, seems Akamai isn't owned by anyone, thought they were. [23:14] plus interconnect [23:14] and mzima having peer means it probably isn't worthwhile [23:16] mercutio: the "shared fabric public switch" is the clincher there. They do peer, just not on the IX's, so you need a dedicated cross-connect to them. [23:16] comcast route server has ipv6 heh [23:17] up: it prob means they also want high traffic volumes [23:17] how doi tell traceroute on comcast's route server to do ipv4 [23:17] probably -4 [23:18] nope [23:18] tried that [23:18] it's traceroute ip www.arpnetworks.com [23:18] what's their route server ip / host? [23:18] ok basically it stays in comcast's network iwth fowrad and reverse traceroute [23:18] with direct peer with mzima in los angeles [23:19] route-server.newyork.ny.ibone.comcast.net [23:19] telnet [23:20] cool [23:21] i think it's likely to be good to comcsat [23:21] comcast [23:21] but if it's bad it'll be bad to all comcast areas [23:22] Nice ^_^ [23:22] so if you get someone else on comcast to try it you can see what it's like [23:22] * arenlor gets depressed looking at the Baby Bell list [23:24] dang, earthquake [23:24] up_the_irons: You're still online, it's cool. [23:24] haha [23:31] mm [23:31] i've been in a earthquake big enough to take out internet [23:31]