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[11:09] <zeshoem> ping
[11:17] <milki> zeshoem: pong?
[11:28] <jpalmer> up_the_irons: just saw an ad for your $89 vps,  on cyberciti.biz
[11:32] <plett> I keep seeing google provided arpnetworks adverts
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[12:38] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: nice :)
[12:38] <up_the_irons> plett: yeah, i have several "freebsd" related keywords with high bids
[12:59] <Webhostbudd> oooo
[13:00] <Webhostbudd> I'm actually surprised more places don't run kvm shops, seems like everyone does xen and therefore doesn't support freebsd
[13:00] <Webhostbudd> granted freebsd does have dom0 support now
[13:10] <pjs> up_the_irons, I assume you're just doing re-targetting campaigns right?
[13:17] <Webhostbudd> i didn't realize you guys did colo
[13:24] <jpalmer> if I could find a use for a vps with 4g RAM, I'd be all over that special.
[13:25] <Webhostbudd> better off with a dedi at that point
[13:25] <Webhostbudd> if you are okay with managing your own hardware
[13:25] <Webhostbudd> but i guess that is a major issue
[13:25] <jpalmer> not having to worry about hardware has it's perks :)
[13:25] <Webhostbudd> i enjoy it =p
[13:26] <Webhostbudd> as much as i like arp, i wish there was a dc in the east
[13:26] <jpalmer> I have vps's all over the US..  but agreed,  the ones in the east..  kinda.. just exist.
[13:34] <jpalmer> it's like the vps's I have in NJ, miami, chicago, and boston just..  the people who run them don't seem to take any care/pride in the service.
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[13:34] <jpalmer> (I don't sit in their IRC channels, if that tells you anything!)
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[13:41] <sorressean> did we go boom?
[13:43] <sorressean> there we go.
[13:43] <sorressean> server died for a bit.
[13:44] <jpalmer> *boom*
[13:45] <jpalmer> sorressean: all seems ok here (kvr13)
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[13:45] * sorressean isn't sure what machine I'm on, but I got it all back again. just dropped and came back again. thanks. :)
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[13:48] <tooth> bit of a flap there.
[13:50] <sorressean> is the bsd kernel custom compiled for arpnetworks? I'd like to rebuild one if it isn't, but I'm worried about compiling and it not working.
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[13:56] <jpalmer> sorressean: nothing custom
[13:56] * sorressean nods.
[13:56] <jpalmer> rebuild to your hearts content
[13:57] <jpalmer> sorressean: if it helps..  you could even ask ARP to mount an fbsd .iso for you, and you can install it yourself fresh from standard disk images.
[13:57] <sorressean> jpalmer:  I think they might have a disk mounted. I just wanted to be able to replace the old kernel and boot up if things crash.
[13:58] <jpalmer> well,  they offer you access via VNC to your console.  so even if the machine doesn't boot after a new kernel,  you can access/troubleshoot/fix it
[14:00] * sorressean nods. I think we had it set up so I could log in through ssh or something. I'm blind, so vnc doesn't work, I'll have to go back and see if I can find those logs. been a while.
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[14:03] <jpalmer> I know they have telnet or ssh access to the console (I forget which, never used it myself)  which is probably what you used.  lemme see if they have a KB on it.
[14:04] <jpalmer> sorressean: http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/vps/out-of-band-management
[14:04] <jpalmer> there is a small section there on setting up ssh for the console
[14:04] <sorressean> jpalmer:  haha, thanks.
[14:05] <qbit> yay
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[18:48] <up_the_irons> pjs: yeah, remarketing
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[19:23] <up_the_irons> I love downloading ISOs from my own mirror....
[19:23] <up_the_irons> SO FAST
[19:24] <kraigu> up_the_irons: heh, yeah, I used to be a 1Gbps link down from a pretty large mirror
[19:24] <kraigu> now I'm 100Mbps down :(
[19:24] <up_the_irons> kraigu: why the decrease?
[19:24] <arenlor> up_the_irons: Can you confirm that the CC update I just made worked? Should have a new address.
[19:25] <kraigu> up_the_irons: changed offices, new one is on a slower switch
[19:25] <up_the_irons> arenlor: i received an update email
[19:25] <up_the_irons> kraigu: ah
[19:25] <up_the_irons> kraigu: tell them to get with the program...
[19:25] <kraigu> haha
[19:25] <kraigu> most of our staff barely use 10, never mind 100
[19:26] * arenlor remembers dialup
[19:26] <kraigu> inorite
[19:26] <jpalmer> up_the_irons: I love the mirrors.  nice move ;)
[19:27] <up_the_irons> kraigu: haha
[19:27] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: thanks... if i knew they would have been this much fun, i would have done them sooner.  So you're updating regularly from the mirrors now?
[19:27] <jpalmer> I should administratively set all ports on our office switches to 10,  then set mine to gigabit. ;)
[19:27] <kraigu> I guess I have six drops in my office, I could bond them...
[19:27] <arenlor> I just moved and the location has a contract until November with a company that their fastest speed is 2.5 mbps, I use to have 10mpbs.
[19:28] <jpalmer> up_the_irons: now that you are an official mirror for centos,  I just let "fastestmirror" determine the best mirror.  so far, it's been yours every time (which, I would expec)
[19:28] <kraigu> arenlor: our external link is... a bit more than a gig ;) this is internal I was talking about
[19:28] <arenlor> kraigu: I know, just understand the painful sudden slowness.
[19:28] <kraigu> gotcha
[19:28] <jpalmer> up_the_irons: are you an official mirror for any of the other projects yet?
[19:28] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: at one job i  had, i set up all the networking at the new 35,000 sq. ft. place, and gave myself a gigabit port.   most others had 100 ;)  To be fair, we set up like 500 ports, so that woulda been hella expensive to make them all gig
[19:29] <kraigu> up_the_irons: yeah, that's our problem too
[19:29] <arenlor> I should have a countdown until the contract is up, I'm switching to a 25mbps speed (given that it's residential, that's good for now).
[19:29] <kraigu> my last group was only 20 people or so and most of them didn't move to the gig switch
[19:30] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: that's cool fastestmirror always picks me.  i'm not official on any others yet.  been in the Ubuntu "pending" queue for a while.  I need to bug someone on irc somewhere....
[19:30] <kraigu> now we're 150 people just in IT and scattered through six floors of a building, mixed in with non-IT staff, classrooms etc
[19:30] <up_the_irons> kraigu: ah
[19:32] <jpalmer> up_the_irons: seen any significant spike in traffic from the mirror?  are you sure you want the others to become official?
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[19:35] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: bring it on, I say.  I want to increase traffic as much as I can to get better peering relationships.  I'm still under my commit on main transit and I'm going to be bringing in another carrier soon.  the mirror right now is at about 30 Mbps.  I wouldn't say it is a "significant" spike, but it certainly is getting used
[19:35] <arenlor> up_the_irons: Give me unlimited bandwidth and I'll get your traffic up.
[19:35] <jpalmer> well, mirrors will certainly increase traffic.
[19:36] <jpalmer> up_the_irons: I know..  I'll register an AS with ARIN..  get a micro IPv6 allocation,   then peer with you for transit :P
[19:36] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: and mirror traffic seems to be "tame".  It might be spikey, but it's not like 1000 gamers using a VPS and someone decides to DoS it cuz they get mad (I've had to kick those guys off)
[19:37] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: DO IT :)
[19:37] <jpalmer> up_the_irons: since none of my local ISPs have any interest in IPv6 native..   I'd be seriously tempted if it wern't $2k
[19:37] <up_the_irons> arenlor: I'll give you a 100 Mbps unmetered port if you get a dedicated server :)
[19:37] <arenlor> up_the_irons: I've considered it, just don't have the money.
[19:38] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: yeah it can be pricey
[19:38] <up_the_irons> arenlor: ah
[19:38] <arenlor> up_the_irons: I'd love it since I could run Freenet and TOR without running into other people too much.
[19:39] <jpalmer> up_the_irons: I might even be tempted for the $2k,  IF i can find out what the yearly fees would be,  but ARIN doesn't seem very clear on that.  I think the AS is $100/year,  but not sure what the renewal on the allocation would be.
[19:39] <up_the_irons> arenlor: yeah, that's what i like about dedicateds too...  i don't really need to worry about port saturation or anything
[19:39] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: it would be $1250 I believe
[19:40] <jpalmer> yeah,  so the same price yearly.  not worth it :/
[19:40] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: at least for the x-small allocation.  micro might even be less
[19:40] <arenlor> up_the_irons: That and VPS owners get mad if you constantly tax the HDD and CPU.
[19:40] <jpalmer> no,  micro and x-small are both $1250
[19:40] <up_the_irons> arenlor: yup
[19:40] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: oh, are they?  that's too bad
[19:41] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: I could just give you another /48 you can announce...
[19:41] <jpalmer> up_the_irons: between the yearly cost,  and the cost of transit..  IPv6 allocations aren't really viable for the SMB or home enthusiast.
[19:41] <up_the_irons> i forgot if ISPs filter at /48 or /32...  i've definitely seen smaller than /32's come in via peers
[19:42] <jpalmer> That'd be awesome,  except I'm not really setup for it at the moment.   I was in the research phase when i saw it'd be cost prohibitive
[19:44] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: offer is open if you get into that in the future
[19:44] <arenlor> up_the_irons: You're like Oprah with IPv6.
[19:44] <up_the_irons> arenlor: LOL, why?:)
[19:45] <arenlor> up_the_irons: You get a /48!
[19:45] <jpalmer> up_the_irons: I may ping you on it later. I'd be interested, but have been working m ass off lately.  maybe when things cool down, we can discuss it a bit.
[19:45] <up_the_irons> arenlor: LOL
[19:45] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: roger
[19:45] <up_the_irons> who _isn't_ working their ass of lately...  same here
[19:45] <up_the_irons> *off
[19:46] <arenlor> up_the_irons: I figured you were just saving time by dropping the second f :P
[19:46] <up_the_irons> arenlor: hahahaha
[19:46] <jpalmer> nah,  thats the ARP network..  randomly dropping packets :P  oh burn!
[19:46] <up_the_irons> not quite _that_ busy
[19:47] <up_the_irons> OOOOOOOOOH snap
[19:47] * jpalmer looks around to make sure there are no new, or potentially new clients before making bad jokes :P
[19:47] <kraigu> rude!
[19:47] <kraigu> or should I say, "ude!"
[19:47] <jpalmer> hah
[19:48] <arenlor> Speaking of packets dropping, would there be any way to figure out why SSH seems to be rather slow?
[19:48] <arenlor> I'm not even sure where to start looking
[19:48] <meingtsla> Port 22?
[19:48] <jpalmer> arenlor: slow how?  initial connection?  scp?  inividual keystrokes?
[19:49] <arenlor> jpalmer: Each keystroke takes a long damned time.
[19:49] <up_the_irons> lol
[19:49] <arenlor> meingtsla: I've considered that actually.
[19:49] <up_the_irons> arenlor: where are you located?
[19:49] <jpalmer> arenlor: nah, my ssh is fast.  maybe a bandwidth or latency issue for the connecting client?
[19:50] <arenlor> up_the_irons: NE PA, near Wilkes-barre/Scranton, but I had the issue in Central PA on a different ISP.
[19:50] <arenlor> jpalmer: It use to be faster, and it's PuTTY.
[19:50] <up_the_irons> arenlor: roger..  nothing in the US should be slow enough to delay keystrokes
[19:51] <up_the_irons> arenlor: if you were in India, it'd be a different story, or eastern europe
[19:51] <arenlor> up_the_irons: Hence why I need to look into what's causing it.
[19:51] <jpalmer> I mean client as in the ...  connecting machine sense.   are you sure your net connection isn't at or near capacity?  do traceroutes to the vps look good?
[19:51] <jpalmer> up_the_irons:  no peers in india?
[19:52] <up_the_irons> arenlor: paste "mtr -4 -nrc 10 <your-vps-ip>" somewhere
[19:52] <jpalmer> arenlor: have you considered QoS?  making your interactive connections (like SSH) take priority over bulk stuff like torrents, and such?
[19:52] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: no, very hard to get good routes to india
[19:53] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: even if I get transit from the largest provider of routes in India, it is still like 200ms
[19:53] <arenlor> jpalmer: I disabled anything near QoS, don't like anything screwing with my traffic. Plus, nothing changed when it started going slowly.
[19:53] <jpalmer> arenlor: logical fallacy ;)  *something* changed.
[19:54] <arenlor> Also, should mention, this only happened on the one VPS, the other is fine.
[19:56] <arenlor> up_the_irons: Would this line be what I'm looking for:  10. 208.79.95.130                10.0%    10  114.4 114.9 113.2 118.4   1.7
[19:57] <jpalmer> anyone here familiar with kevin mitnick?
[19:57] <mhoran> Indeed.
[19:57] <jpalmer> mhoran: have you read his book?
[19:57] <arenlor> jpalmer: I know who he is, but I don't know him.
[19:57] <mhoran> jpalmer: No, but I saw him give a talk last year at DEFCON.
[19:57] * jpalmer will be meeting him in august.  he just accepted a contract.  I've spoken to him via phone a few times.
[19:58] <mhoran> Neat.
[19:58] <arenlor> Nice, wait, you accepted a contract or he did?
[19:58] <jpalmer> if you guys get a chance,  read 'ghost in the wires'  it's pretty neat,  and a lot of it is still relevant today.
[19:58] <jpalmer> he did,  for my company.
[19:58] <arenlor> jpalmer: Nice, good luck with that. Truecrypt all your personal data now.
[19:59] <up_the_irons> arenlor: is the host on kvr17?  I was transferring a large FreeBSD image over, may have made things slow for a bit
[19:59] <jpalmer> funny enough, I didn't even know we'd been in talks with him, or extended a contract.  the CTO set it all up quietly.
[19:59] <arenlor> up_the_irons: It's been on and off for a few months now. Let me check which host.
[19:59] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: that's cool you talked to mitnick
[20:00] <arenlor> up_the_irons: kvr05
[20:00] <up_the_irons> arenlor: ah, well, then it wouldn't be my file transfer doing anything
[20:01] <arenlor> up_the_irons: Yeah, it doesn't actually break anything, just slows it down, and sftp runs full speed, hence why I'm complaining about SSH specifically being slow.
[20:01] <arenlor> up_the_irons: I figured it was just something I had installed doing something.
[20:01] <up_the_irons> good ol' kvr05...  i haven't touched that host in a very long time
[20:01] <up_the_irons> $ uptime
[20:01] <up_the_irons>  20:19:44 up 928 days, 20:08,  3 users,  load average: 3.00, 2.53, 2.38
[20:01] <up_the_irons> $
[20:01] <mhoran> Hah.
[20:01] <meingtsla> Huh. More wild guesses... Are you multiplexing ssh sessions by any chance?
[20:02] <up_the_irons> seems like nobody on that host ever cancels, so no new VMs are provisioned on it
[20:02] <arenlor> meingtsla: I have no clue what that means.
[20:02] <arenlor> up_the_irons: Good, cheap, fast service. No one would cancel.
[20:02] <meingtsla> That's a no then
[20:02] <arenlor> meingtsla: Figured ^_^
[20:02] <jpalmer> arenlor: do you have a ControlMaster entry in your ssh config?
[20:02] <up_the_irons> arenlor: hah cool
[20:02] <meingtsla> ^
[20:02] <jpalmer> wait, controlmaster wouldn't likely affect this. nevermind.
[20:03] <arenlor> jpalmer: Don't know what that is neither lol.
[20:05] <up_the_irons> kvr05 30 day traffic is only 1.2 Mbps.. what a low traffic host
[20:05] <jpalmer> up_the_irons: when you get ready to expand to this coast,  let me know.  I'll be happy to do your datacenter stuff in Tampa :P
[20:06] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: what DCs do they have over there?
[20:06] <arenlor> up_the_irons: We have Washington DC over here :P
[20:06] * up_the_irons slaps arenlor
[20:07] <arenlor> up_the_irons: I had to.
[20:08] <jpalmer> up_the_irons: several large telco hotels in downtown tampa
[20:08] <arenlor> up_the_irons: Also, we've caused the Internet to go down twice now because of a DC on the east coast run by Amazon going down.
[20:08] <arenlor> We've also had a Google DC go down once.
[20:09] * arenlor is making a point, just not sure if it's for against you coming out here.
[20:09] <up_the_irons> arenlor: when amazon said that 8 DCs on the east coast lost power, i was like..... wuuuut?
[20:09] <arenlor> up_the_irons: We do storms very well here.
[20:10] <jpalmer> that power outage took out about 6 of our VPS's,  and the provider we host all of our git repos with
[20:10] <up_the_irons> hah nice
[20:10] <arenlor> up_the_irons: So if you can have multi-year uptime out here you'll get all the big boys moving to you.
[20:11] <up_the_irons> arenlor: yeah srsly
[20:15] <arenlor> up_the_irons: Every time I visit your home page and you're on I consider trolling you.
[20:15] <up_the_irons> arenlor: is it *you* that has like 50 visits and never leaves the page??? ;)
[20:16] <arenlor> up_the_irons: Nope
[20:16] <up_the_irons> i can always tell when someone has my page open in a long lost tab, and they fire up their browser...  my zopim beeps at me
[20:17] <arenlor> up_the_irons: So setting it to refresh the page immediately onload would annoy you?
[20:17] <up_the_irons> probably :)
[20:19] <up_the_irons> cd $food
[20:19] * up_the_irons wanders off
[20:19] <arenlor> srm -r $food
[20:20] <jpalmer> wife is home, I'm out!
[20:21] <arenlor> jpalmer: Enjoy yourself!
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