mercutio: oh that was like 9 hours ago ***: antennageek has joined #arpnetworks
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Cn has joined #arpnetworks qbit_: pewpew ***: fink has joined #arpnetworks milki: zap ***: himuraken has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) phlux: Making the move to Gentoo on my laptop today milki: goodluck! -: qbit_ waits for phlux to finish compiling everything
milki replaces all array indicies with index-1 in phlux's src code ***: fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) CaZe: Now that's an interesting way to measure battery life.
How far along a build you can get on each charge. :D ***: heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks
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my battery lasts .2 builds! ***: heavysixer has quit IRC (Client Quit)
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I like compiling things, though. My first *nix distribution was FreeBSD back in the 4.3 days ***: medum has joined #arpnetworks medum: are inbound connections on port 25 purposely blocked? ant: i can connect to my vps just fine on port 25, so no medum: i see nothing with tcpdump when i try to connect on port 25. i changed opensmtpd to a different port and it worked fine ant: maybe there's a filter somewhere else? medum: hm. maybe my isp ant: actually this would be reasonable. most end-user shouldn't run mail-servers so there's no need for outbound smtp (clients should use the submission port). and blocking end-users from using smtp is great to reduce spam jpalmer: many ISP's block 25 outbound. ***: sako_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) kraigu: what jpalmer said. I run a mailserver on my VPS with no issues. ***: fink has joined #arpnetworks
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medum: your isp likely blocks 25. Happily that's what 587 is for, open that up in your MTA of choice (with auth/whatnot) and ... yeah. mike-burns: I stopped running my own mail server recently. Fastmail FTW! mercutio: it's got more and more complicated to run your own mail server... fink: freaking spam, man ***: fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) jdoe: I don't agree, but whatever works for you.
I find it's pretty much set it and forget it. mercutio: hmm jdoe: ... but I only provide mail for myself. mercutio: do you get much spam?
do you sign with dkim?
domainkeys?
do you have spf records?
rbl blocking? grey listing?
etc etc... jdoe: domainkeys is dead, I sign with dkim, I have braindead spf records, I use two rbls, I don't greylist intentionally. mercutio: so dkim, and spf is something extra to do jdoe: (but postscreen greylists as a byproduct of existing when someone uses ssl)
sure, but you don't HAVE to do either. mercutio: i hate greylisting myself
mm jdoe: me too, and I would prefer if postscreen didn't do it. mercutio: depends if you want to send email to yahoo jdoe: but since I'm not about to submit a patch to let it pass around openssl state.... mercutio: tbh most of the spam i get comes from yahoo or gmail
and is signed
i think people send through there cos they're more trusted? jdoe: in any case, email is a solved problem.
if you constantly need to maintain it, you've done something very wrong. mercutio: nah i don't need to
but i'ms aying it's more complicated than it used to be jdoe: sure, but it's one-time effort.
you setup spf/dkim once (or however often you want to roll dkim keys)
rbls/spam filtering/whatever once.
etc. mercutio: yeah, but you understand this stuff pretty well? jdoe: I guess? There's always someone smarter. Or hundreds/thousands of people smarter ;) mercutio: it's like the level of knowledge required has got higher
i have been running my own mail server for over 10 years.. i'm not exactly putting in the "too hard" basket or anything
but every now and then i've had to implement things along the way