[01:11] oh wow that case loosk nice [01:12] oh that was like 9 hours ago [03:25] *** antennageek has joined #arpnetworks [03:25] *** antennageek is now known as niner [03:31] *** niner has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [03:36] *** hive-min1 has joined #arpnetworks [03:37] *** hive-mind has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [06:39] *** Cn has joined #arpnetworks [07:40] pewpew [08:45] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [09:17] zap [09:18] *** himuraken has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [09:23] Making the move to Gentoo on my laptop today [09:54] goodluck! [09:54] * qbit_ waits for phlux to finish compiling everything [09:55] * milki replaces all array indicies with index-1 in phlux's src code [10:34] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [10:44] Now that's an interesting way to measure battery life. [10:44] How far along a build you can get on each charge. :D [11:03] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [11:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [11:06] lol [11:06] my battery lasts .2 builds! [11:06] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Client Quit) [12:18] *** sako_ has joined #arpnetworks [12:24] Haven't even started yet haha [12:24] I like compiling things, though. My first *nix distribution was FreeBSD back in the 4.3 days [12:56] *** medum has joined #arpnetworks [12:58] are inbound connections on port 25 purposely blocked? [13:01] i can connect to my vps just fine on port 25, so no [13:02] i see nothing with tcpdump when i try to connect on port 25. i changed opensmtpd to a different port and it worked fine [13:03] maybe there's a filter somewhere else? [13:04] hm. maybe my isp [13:06] actually this would be reasonable. most end-user shouldn't run mail-servers so there's no need for outbound smtp (clients should use the submission port). and blocking end-users from using smtp is great to reduce spam [14:37] many ISP's block 25 outbound. [16:10] *** sako_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [19:06] what jpalmer said. I run a mailserver on my VPS with no issues. [19:20] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [20:46] *** Cn has quit IRC (Quit: Saliendo) [21:29] same [23:07] OH EM GEE ME TOO LOOL [23:08] medum: your isp likely blocks 25. Happily that's what 587 is for, open that up in your MTA of choice (with auth/whatnot) and ... yeah. [23:09] I stopped running my own mail server recently. Fastmail FTW! [23:19] it's got more and more complicated to run your own mail server... [23:20] freaking spam, man [23:21] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [23:24] I don't agree, but whatever works for you. [23:24] I find it's pretty much set it and forget it. [23:24] hmm [23:24] ... but I only provide mail for myself. [23:24] do you get much spam? [23:24] do you sign with dkim? [23:24] domainkeys? [23:24] do you have spf records? [23:25] rbl blocking? grey listing? [23:25] etc etc... [23:25] domainkeys is dead, I sign with dkim, I have braindead spf records, I use two rbls, I don't greylist intentionally. [23:25] so dkim, and spf is something extra to do [23:25] (but postscreen greylists as a byproduct of existing when someone uses ssl) [23:25] sure, but you don't HAVE to do either. [23:26] i hate greylisting myself [23:26] mm [23:26] me too, and I would prefer if postscreen didn't do it. [23:26] depends if you want to send email to yahoo [23:26] but since I'm not about to submit a patch to let it pass around openssl state.... [23:26] tbh most of the spam i get comes from yahoo or gmail [23:26] and is signed [23:27] i think people send through there cos they're more trusted? [23:27] in any case, email is a solved problem. [23:27] if you constantly need to maintain it, you've done something very wrong. [23:27] nah i don't need to [23:27] but i'ms aying it's more complicated than it used to be [23:28] sure, but it's one-time effort. [23:28] you setup spf/dkim once (or however often you want to roll dkim keys) [23:28] rbls/spam filtering/whatever once. [23:28] etc. [23:28] yeah, but you understand this stuff pretty well? [23:29] I guess? There's always someone smarter. Or hundreds/thousands of people smarter ;) [23:29] it's like the level of knowledge required has got higher [23:32] i have been running my own mail server for over 10 years.. i'm not exactly putting in the "too hard" basket or anything [23:32] but every now and then i've had to implement things along the way