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[00:44] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: you should wait.  unactionable tickets will grow stale...
[01:01] <up_the_irons> spent too much money at Disneyland today...   at least it was fun :)
[01:01] * up_the_irons looks around
[01:16] <up_the_irons> how's it hangin' in here?
[01:26] * up_the_irons guesses everyone went to sleep...
[01:29] <mike-burns> Or to work.
[01:30] <mike-burns> I'm near a Disney park, too!
[01:30] <up_the_irons> mike-burns: you moved abroad IIRC?
[01:30] <mike-burns> Yup, or in the process of it.
[01:31] <mike-burns> I'm in Paris right now. Berlin next week, then back to the US in August to pack and sell everything off.
[01:31] <up_the_irons> Announcement: We now have an official customer VPN (OpenVPN with SSL/TLS), vpn.cust.arpnetworks.com.  Not sure anyone here will have a need to use it, but it'll support the new dedicated server customers with full IPMI access and control.
[01:32] <up_the_irons> mike-burns: sounds like an adventure :)
[01:32] <mike-burns> Neat!
[01:32] <mike-burns> That's definitely what I'm on. :)
[01:32] <up_the_irons> mike-burns: you going to be in the LA area at all?
[01:32] <mike-burns> I've been following Ruby devs across Europe. Gave a talk in Amsterdam and in Paris, and next week I'm meeting a bunch of GitHub people.
[01:33] <up_the_irons> Sweet
[01:33] <mike-burns> up_the_irons: Sadly, I won't make it to that coast for a bit.
[01:33] <up_the_irons> mike-burns: Let me know if you ever do, I'll buy you lunch, beers, drinks, w/e...  :)
[01:33] <mike-burns> Fantastic, will do, and for all the services you provide I should be the one buying!
[01:34] <up_the_irons> No, no, you're like a 3 year customer or something, it's definitely on me and I thank you for the loyalty :)
[01:34] <mike-burns> OK, it's a deal.
[01:34] <up_the_irons> :)
[01:35] <mike-burns> (We'll fight this out in real life.)
[01:35] <up_the_irons> I got to meet some of my customers face-to-face at the last LADevOps meetup, was pretty neat to put faces to names
[01:35] <up_the_irons> hahaha
[01:35] <mike-burns> http://vimeo.com/45214727 - here's a video of my Paris talk, where you can see what a nerdy young hipster I am.
[01:36] <up_the_irons> hah nice :)
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[10:31] <orion> Hi. What is the host OS on the ARP networks servers?
[10:36] <tooth> That's classified.
[10:38] <mike-burns> It's Linux.
[10:39] <tooth> It's that hip new variant called [REDACTED]
[10:43] <orion> Ok, thanks.
[11:13] <CESSMASTER> so are you telling me my freebsd vps is impure?
[11:21] <Webhostbudd> ha
[11:22] <Webhostbudd> of course
[12:45] <up_the_irons> Until FreeBSD has KVM/QEMU support, it's gonna have to be Linux :)
[12:50] <segv> it has KQEMU atm
[12:50] <segv> its alpha though
[12:51] <segv> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/emulators/kqemu-kmod-devel/
[13:02] <up_the_irons> yep...
[13:02] <up_the_irons> famous last words -- "its alpha though"
[13:05] <Webhostbudd> it would be interesting to see kqemu
[13:05] <Webhostbudd> dunno what's up with bhyve
[13:06] <Webhostbudd> anyone ever tried smartos?
[13:09] <Webhostbudd> the concept sounds pretty awesome but i wonder how well it actually works
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[15:40] <up_the_irons> Webhostbudd: never tried smartos...
[15:42] <Webhostbudd> sounds cool but i don't think i would move away from libvirt
[15:42] <Webhostbudd> or try and run a solaris shop
[15:42] <Webhostbudd> it is cool that they ported kvm effectively to solaris, because then you get zones
[15:42] <Webhostbudd> and kvm
[15:43] <Webhostbudd> it's a shame linux really only has vserver
[15:43] <jpalmer> up_the_irons: you should manually kick of a centos mirror sync.  6.3 is released!  and I'll be requesting you to mount an ISO, so I can pull from your mirror.
[15:43] <up_the_irons> oh let me see...
[15:44] * jpalmer is hoping 6.3 works fine in kvm, without those tweaks I had to apply
[15:46] * jpalmer heads off to watch a movie
[15:46] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: ok, i'll probably have 6.3 when u get back
[15:47] <up_the_irons> Webhostbudd: i've heard a bit about zones, but never really looked further
[15:47] <jpalmer> up_the_irons: I won't be doing it until tomorrow,  I was kidding about manually kicking it off.  didn't realize you were around ;)
[15:47] <up_the_irons> :)
[15:47] <jpalmer> I will be submitting the ISO change order tonight though
[15:47] <Webhostbudd> up_the_irons: neither have i, i just know they are on par or better than jails
[15:47] <up_the_irons> ok
[15:48] <orion> Hi. How hard is it to grow a VPS file system?
[15:48] <up_the_irons> yeah that's what i gathered too
[15:48] <up_the_irons> orion: depends on the filesystem
[15:48] <orion> I.e., UFS on FreeBSD 9.0
[15:48] <up_the_irons> orion: it's not too bad...  fdisk, disklabel, then growfs
[15:48] <orion> I see.
[15:51] <orion> And such an operation is supported by ARP, correct? If I need more disk I can just up my plan?
[15:51] <orion> (Without having to take down the old VPS)
[15:52] <orion> The grow operation seems easy enough, but I don't know what qemu's limitations are.
[15:54] <up_the_irons> orion: yes, totally supported.  however, for those uncomfortable with growing their filesystem, extra disk space can just be added as a 2nd disk
[16:03] <orion> Ahh, true! That might actually be a better option for me.
[16:04] <up_the_irons> orion: just say so in your upgrade request when you email support@arpnetworks.com, and it'll be done
[16:04] <orion> You see, I am going to be sharing a VPS with a bunch of my friends, and I need to figure out a way to split the cost based on disk space so that it's fair.
[16:06] <orion> How much of a management headache is it to manage virtual drives? For example, if I bought a drive for each person, would that be annoying and time consuming?
[16:07] <up_the_irons> orion: yes, we don't do that.  if you want to do something like that, just create different partitions on your new second disk, or use quota(8), etc...
[16:07] <orion> Right, I totally understand.
[16:10] <up_the_irons> :)
[16:11] <orion> haha, I've managed a server with this group of friends for... going on 6 years -- with no automation for anything except PowerDNS.  I can only imagine how painful it must be to do VPSs for all of us.
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[16:12] <up_the_irons> orion: well, there's a lot of automation that I've built over the years, by necessity.  it isn't that bad
[16:13] <orion> Can I take a wild stab and say that you're using Ruby for automation?
[16:18] <up_the_irons> orion: that's a big part of it; on the servers though it is mainly shell scripts (i'm a minimalist)
[16:19] <up_the_irons> orion: the Portal is a Rails app, with arpnetworks.com being a Sinatra app
[16:19] <orion> I have a special place in my heart for Ruby, heh.
[16:20] <orion> Sinatra is a great framework as well.
[16:23] <up_the_irons> i love Sinatra
[16:23] <up_the_irons> Sinatra is shell scripting for the web
[16:23] <orion> It's beautiful.
[16:24] <orion> Padrino is cool too.
[16:39] <orion> up_the_irons: Does ARP offer discounts for paying semi- or yearly?
[16:40] <up_the_irons> http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/billing/is-there-a-discount-for-paying-in-advance
[16:40] <orion> oops, sorry. :(
[16:49] <up_the_irons> no worries
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[19:12] <phlux> I wonder how long I've been with ARPNetworks
[19:13] <phlux> It might be time for me to pay semi-annually.
[19:15] <phlux> Looks like I started with you guys in Feb of 2010
[19:28] <up_the_irons> We thank you for your loyalty :)
[19:39] <phlux> Thank you :)
[19:41] <phlux> wow
[19:41] <phlux>  7:41PM  up 352 days, 23:49, 4 users, load averages: 0.07, 0.03, 0.00
[19:42] <phlux> Over a year of uptime on that VPS
[19:48] <phlux> I really either need to up my resources or migrate to a dedicated server to be honest
[19:49] <phlux> I know my loads are low right now, but my entire network relies heavily on my ARPNetworks VPS...If something goes wrong with it, my whole network dies.
[19:53] <milki> bottleneck~
[20:21] <up_the_irons> phlux: our dedicated servers are coming online soon.  I have one in beta right now.
[20:21] <up_the_irons> phlux: u need a dedicated server for a 15 minute avg load of 0.00? ;)
[20:21] <phlux> up_the_irons: nice!
[20:22] <up_the_irons> (not that i'm complaining)
[20:22] <milki> ol
[20:22] <milki> l
[20:22] <up_the_irons> fail
[20:22] <milki> ^
[20:22] <milki> its ok
[20:22] <up_the_irons> hah
[20:22] <phlux> up_the_irons: lol probably not, but I like to be on the safe side
[20:22] <milki> i have an excuse
[20:22] <milki> race conditions
[20:22] <up_the_irons> phlux: roger
[20:22] <phlux> plus, if I make it a dedicated server, I can run more things that I have spread out right now
[20:22] <phlux> i.e., mail
[20:23] <phlux> That's the one thing that VPS isn't currently hosting for me
[20:23] <phlux> Anyone ever used Matt's mail toaster on FreeBSD?
[20:24] <milki> shouldnt it be runnign freebsd on a toaster
[20:25] <up_the_irons> phlux: well, if you want one, it's $169 for: 3.4 GHz Intel Xeon Ivy Bridge, 16GB of RAM, 2x 1TB SATA, Dual PS, /29 IP block, 20TB of bandwidth, full out-of-band IPMI access with virtual media (bootable ISOs) over OpenVPN
[20:25] <phlux> good lord@those specs
[20:25] <up_the_irons> phlux: having things spread out is better for redundancy though :)
[20:25] <up_the_irons> LOL
[20:25] <phlux> That's actually an amazing price for all of that
[20:26] <up_the_irons> I aim to please
[20:26] <phlux> I actually have a question about redundancy
[20:26] <up_the_irons> There will be dual uplink and VRRP also once I get my 6506 up and running
[20:26] <up_the_irons> ask :)
[20:26] <phlux> How is it that big e-mail servers (GMail, Yahoo) are able to have multiple SMTP/POP/IMAP servers that all accomplish the same tasks?
[20:27] <phlux> I've always wanted to have a failsafe mailserver, but I have no clue how to get all of the e-mails to deliver to multiple inboxes, and how to tell clients which one to choose
[20:27] <up_the_irons> phlux: well, only one server is picked by the MTA as the final destination
[20:28] <up_the_irons> phlux: oh, that's easy.  you have one primary MX and then a secondary MX running as just a relay server (to the primary MX).  There are several tutorials for Postfix on this (and i've set up a system like this once with Postfix)
[20:29] <phlux> up_the_irons: So let's assume MX1 goes down for some unforseen circumstance. Your e-mail users would never know the difference?
[20:31] <up_the_irons> phlux: that part of it (client access vs. email delivery) i've not done before, but I would think something like this would work: the primary MX stores the email on some shared medium, which can be accessed by multiple IMAP/POP/whatever servers.  You'd make *those* access servers redundant using the redundancy tool of your choice (RR DNS, LVS, or w/e)
[20:32] <mjp> having a second mx as relay only just means the sending mta gets to deliver on first attempt instead of spooling. you would still lose pop/imap access on your mail box...
[20:33] <up_the_irons> mjp: see my last comment :)
[20:33] <mjp> ahhh yes :)
[20:33] <phlux> up_the_irons: That is interesting..I'm going to look into that this week and get back to you on what I did/used. Maybe I'll write a tutorial or something so others can benefit (should I get it working)
[20:33] <mjp> i was about to suggest shared storage/mail box syncing etc.
[20:33] <phlux> up_the_irons: Thanks for the point in the right direction - I hadn't thought of their being a single point to retrieve information from.
[20:34] <phlux> s/their/there
[20:34] <up_the_irons> mjp: yeah
[20:34] <up_the_irons> phlux: np
[20:35] <up_the_irons> phlux: i think at the end of the day, there has to be this single point of info retrieval, and maybe that is sync'd / replicated somewhere for redundancy
[20:35] <up_the_irons> brb
[20:36] <phlux> up_the_irons: Indeed. It makes sense. I was thinking the mail would have to be delivered to multiple servers at the same time, which didn't seem right.
[20:36] <phlux> Roger. I'm out for the night. Later, folks!
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