jpalmer: you should wait.  unactionable tickets will grow stale...
spent too much money at Disneyland today...   at least it was fun :)
how's it hangin' in here?
Or to work.
I'm near a Disney park, too!
mike-burns: you moved abroad IIRC?
Yup, or in the process of it.
I'm in Paris right now. Berlin next week, then back to the US in August to pack and sell everything off.
Announcement: We now have an official customer VPN (OpenVPN with SSL/TLS), vpn.cust.arpnetworks.com.  Not sure anyone here will have a need to use it, but it'll support the new dedicated server customers with full IPMI access and control.
mike-burns: sounds like an adventure :)
Neat!
That's definitely what I'm on. :)
mike-burns: you going to be in the LA area at all?
I've been following Ruby devs across Europe. Gave a talk in Amsterdam and in Paris, and next week I'm meeting a bunch of GitHub people.
Sweet
up_the_irons: Sadly, I won't make it to that coast for a bit.
mike-burns: Let me know if you ever do, I'll buy you lunch, beers, drinks, w/e...  :)
Fantastic, will do, and for all the services you provide I should be the one buying!
No, no, you're like a 3 year customer or something, it's definitely on me and I thank you for the loyalty :)
OK, it's a deal.
:)
(We'll fight this out in real life.)
I got to meet some of my customers face-to-face at the last LADevOps meetup, was pretty neat to put faces to names
hahaha
http://vimeo.com/45214727 - here's a video of my Paris talk, where you can see what a nerdy young hipster I am.
hah nice :)
Hi. What is the host OS on the ARP networks servers?
That's classified.
It's Linux.
It's that hip new variant called [REDACTED]
Ok, thanks.
so are you telling me my freebsd vps is impure?
ha
of course
Until FreeBSD has KVM/QEMU support, it's gonna have to be Linux :)
it has KQEMU atm
its alpha though
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/emulators/kqemu-kmod-devel/
yep...
famous last words -- "its alpha though"
it would be interesting to see kqemu
dunno what's up with bhyve
anyone ever tried smartos?
the concept sounds pretty awesome but i wonder how well it actually works
Webhostbudd: never tried smartos...
sounds cool but i don't think i would move away from libvirt
or try and run a solaris shop
it is cool that they ported kvm effectively to solaris, because then you get zones
and kvm
it's a shame linux really only has vserver
up_the_irons: you should manually kick of a centos mirror sync.  6.3 is released!  and I'll be requesting you to mount an ISO, so I can pull from your mirror.
oh let me see...
jpalmer: ok, i'll probably have 6.3 when u get back
Webhostbudd: i've heard a bit about zones, but never really looked further
up_the_irons: I won't be doing it until tomorrow,  I was kidding about manually kicking it off.  didn't realize you were around ;)
:)
I will be submitting the ISO change order tonight though
up_the_irons: neither have i, i just know they are on par or better than jails
ok
Hi. How hard is it to grow a VPS file system?
yeah that's what i gathered too
orion: depends on the filesystem
I.e., UFS on FreeBSD 9.0
orion: it's not too bad...  fdisk, disklabel, then growfs
I see.
And such an operation is supported by ARP, correct? If I need more disk I can just up my plan?
(Without having to take down the old VPS)
The grow operation seems easy enough, but I don't know what qemu's limitations are.
orion: yes, totally supported.  however, for those uncomfortable with growing their filesystem, extra disk space can just be added as a 2nd disk
Ahh, true! That might actually be a better option for me.
orion: just say so in your upgrade request when you email support@arpnetworks.com, and it'll be done
You see, I am going to be sharing a VPS with a bunch of my friends, and I need to figure out a way to split the cost based on disk space so that it's fair.
How much of a management headache is it to manage virtual drives? For example, if I bought a drive for each person, would that be annoying and time consuming?
orion: yes, we don't do that.  if you want to do something like that, just create different partitions on your new second disk, or use quota(8), etc...
Right, I totally understand.
:)
haha, I've managed a server with this group of friends for... going on 6 years -- with no automation for anything except PowerDNS.  I can only imagine how painful it must be to do VPSs for all of us.
orion: well, there's a lot of automation that I've built over the years, by necessity.  it isn't that bad
Can I take a wild stab and say that you're using Ruby for automation?
orion: that's a big part of it; on the servers though it is mainly shell scripts (i'm a minimalist)
orion: the Portal is a Rails app, with arpnetworks.com being a Sinatra app
I have a special place in my heart for Ruby, heh.
Sinatra is a great framework as well.
i love Sinatra
Sinatra is shell scripting for the web
It's beautiful.
Padrino is cool too.
up_the_irons: Does ARP offer discounts for paying semi- or yearly?
http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/billing/is-there-a-discount-for-paying-in-advance
oops, sorry. :(
no worries
I wonder how long I've been with ARPNetworks
It might be time for me to pay semi-annually.
Looks like I started with you guys in Feb of 2010
We thank you for your loyalty :)
Thank you :)
wow
 7:41PM  up 352 days, 23:49, 4 users, load averages: 0.07, 0.03, 0.00
Over a year of uptime on that VPS
I really either need to up my resources or migrate to a dedicated server to be honest
I know my loads are low right now, but my entire network relies heavily on my ARPNetworks VPS...If something goes wrong with it, my whole network dies.
bottleneck~
phlux: our dedicated servers are coming online soon.  I have one in beta right now.
phlux: u need a dedicated server for a 15 minute avg load of 0.00? ;)
up_the_irons: nice!
(not that i'm complaining)
ol
l
fail
^
its ok
hah
up_the_irons: lol probably not, but I like to be on the safe side
i have an excuse
race conditions
phlux: roger
plus, if I make it a dedicated server, I can run more things that I have spread out right now
i.e., mail
That's the one thing that VPS isn't currently hosting for me
Anyone ever used Matt's mail toaster on FreeBSD?
shouldnt it be runnign freebsd on a toaster
phlux: well, if you want one, it's $169 for: 3.4 GHz Intel Xeon Ivy Bridge, 16GB of RAM, 2x 1TB SATA, Dual PS, /29 IP block, 20TB of bandwidth, full out-of-band IPMI access with virtual media (bootable ISOs) over OpenVPN
good lord@those specs
phlux: having things spread out is better for redundancy though :)
LOL
That's actually an amazing price for all of that
I aim to please
I actually have a question about redundancy
There will be dual uplink and VRRP also once I get my 6506 up and running
ask :)
How is it that big e-mail servers (GMail, Yahoo) are able to have multiple SMTP/POP/IMAP servers that all accomplish the same tasks?
I've always wanted to have a failsafe mailserver, but I have no clue how to get all of the e-mails to deliver to multiple inboxes, and how to tell clients which one to choose
phlux: well, only one server is picked by the MTA as the final destination
phlux: oh, that's easy.  you have one primary MX and then a secondary MX running as just a relay server (to the primary MX).  There are several tutorials for Postfix on this (and i've set up a system like this once with Postfix)
up_the_irons: So let's assume MX1 goes down for some unforseen circumstance. Your e-mail users would never know the difference?
phlux: that part of it (client access vs. email delivery) i've not done before, but I would think something like this would work: the primary MX stores the email on some shared medium, which can be accessed by multiple IMAP/POP/whatever servers.  You'd make *those* access servers redundant using the redundancy tool of your choice (RR DNS, LVS, or w/e)
having a second mx as relay only just means the sending mta gets to deliver on first attempt instead of spooling. you would still lose pop/imap access on your mail box...
mjp: see my last comment :)
ahhh yes :)
up_the_irons: That is interesting..I'm going to look into that this week and get back to you on what I did/used. Maybe I'll write a tutorial or something so others can benefit (should I get it working)
i was about to suggest shared storage/mail box syncing etc.
up_the_irons: Thanks for the point in the right direction - I hadn't thought of their being a single point to retrieve information from.
s/their/there
mjp: yeah
phlux: np
phlux: i think at the end of the day, there has to be this single point of info retrieval, and maybe that is sync'd / replicated somewhere for redundancy
brb
up_the_irons: Indeed. It makes sense. I was thinking the mail would have to be delivered to multiple servers at the same time, which didn't seem right.
Roger. I'm out for the night. Later, folks!