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| up_the_irons | jpalmer: you should wait. unactionable tickets will grow stale... | [00:44] | |
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| spent too much money at Disneyland today... at least it was fun :)
up_the_irons looks around | [01:01] | ||
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| how's it hangin' in here? | [01:16] | ||
| up_the_irons guesses everyone went to sleep... | [01:26] | ||
| mike-burns | Or to work.
I'm near a Disney park, too! | [01:29] | |
| up_the_irons | mike-burns: you moved abroad IIRC? | [01:30] | |
| mike-burns | Yup, or in the process of it.
I'm in Paris right now. Berlin next week, then back to the US in August to pack and sell everything off. | [01:30] | |
| up_the_irons | Announcement: We now have an official customer VPN (OpenVPN with SSL/TLS), vpn.cust.arpnetworks.com. Not sure anyone here will have a need to use it, but it'll support the new dedicated server customers with full IPMI access and control.
mike-burns: sounds like an adventure :) | [01:31] | |
| mike-burns | Neat!
That's definitely what I'm on. :) | [01:32] | |
| up_the_irons | mike-burns: you going to be in the LA area at all? | [01:32] | |
| mike-burns | I've been following Ruby devs across Europe. Gave a talk in Amsterdam and in Paris, and next week I'm meeting a bunch of GitHub people. | [01:32] | |
| up_the_irons | Sweet | [01:33] | |
| mike-burns | up_the_irons: Sadly, I won't make it to that coast for a bit. | [01:33] | |
| up_the_irons | mike-burns: Let me know if you ever do, I'll buy you lunch, beers, drinks, w/e... :) | [01:33] | |
| mike-burns | Fantastic, will do, and for all the services you provide I should be the one buying! | [01:33] | |
| up_the_irons | No, no, you're like a 3 year customer or something, it's definitely on me and I thank you for the loyalty :) | [01:34] | |
| mike-burns | OK, it's a deal. | [01:34] | |
| up_the_irons | :) | [01:34] | |
| mike-burns | (We'll fight this out in real life.) | [01:35] | |
| up_the_irons | I got to meet some of my customers face-to-face at the last LADevOps meetup, was pretty neat to put faces to names
hahaha | [01:35] | |
| mike-burns | http://vimeo.com/45214727 - here's a video of my Paris talk, where you can see what a nerdy young hipster I am. | [01:35] | |
| up_the_irons | hah nice :) | [01:36] | |
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| orion | Hi. What is the host OS on the ARP networks servers? | [10:31] | |
| tooth | That's classified. | [10:36] | |
| mike-burns | It's Linux. | [10:38] | |
| tooth | It's that hip new variant called [REDACTED] | [10:39] | |
| orion | Ok, thanks. | [10:43] | |
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| CESSMASTER | so are you telling me my freebsd vps is impure? | [11:13] | |
| Webhostbudd | ha
of course | [11:21] | |
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| up_the_irons | Until FreeBSD has KVM/QEMU support, it's gonna have to be Linux :) | [12:45] | |
| segv | it has KQEMU atm
its alpha though
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| up_the_irons | yep...
famous last words -- "its alpha though" | [13:02] | |
| Webhostbudd | it would be interesting to see kqemu
dunno what's up with bhyve anyone ever tried smartos? the concept sounds pretty awesome but i wonder how well it actually works | [13:05] | |
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| up_the_irons | Webhostbudd: never tried smartos... | [15:40] | |
| Webhostbudd | sounds cool but i don't think i would move away from libvirt
or try and run a solaris shop it is cool that they ported kvm effectively to solaris, because then you get zones and kvm it's a shame linux really only has vserver | [15:42] | |
| jpalmer | up_the_irons: you should manually kick of a centos mirror sync. 6.3 is released! and I'll be requesting you to mount an ISO, so I can pull from your mirror. | [15:43] | |
| up_the_irons | oh let me see... | [15:43] | |
| jpalmer | jpalmer is hoping 6.3 works fine in kvm, without those tweaks I had to apply
jpalmer heads off to watch a movie | [15:44] | |
| up_the_irons | jpalmer: ok, i'll probably have 6.3 when u get back
Webhostbudd: i've heard a bit about zones, but never really looked further | [15:46] | |
| jpalmer | up_the_irons: I won't be doing it until tomorrow, I was kidding about manually kicking it off. didn't realize you were around ;) | [15:47] | |
| up_the_irons | :) | [15:47] | |
| jpalmer | I will be submitting the ISO change order tonight though | [15:47] | |
| Webhostbudd | up_the_irons: neither have i, i just know they are on par or better than jails | [15:47] | |
| up_the_irons | ok | [15:47] | |
| orion | Hi. How hard is it to grow a VPS file system? | [15:48] | |
| up_the_irons | yeah that's what i gathered too
orion: depends on the filesystem | [15:48] | |
| orion | I.e., UFS on FreeBSD 9.0 | [15:48] | |
| up_the_irons | orion: it's not too bad... fdisk, disklabel, then growfs | [15:48] | |
| orion | I see.
And such an operation is supported by ARP, correct? If I need more disk I can just up my plan? (Without having to take down the old VPS) The grow operation seems easy enough, but I don't know what qemu's limitations are. | [15:48] | |
| up_the_irons | orion: yes, totally supported. however, for those uncomfortable with growing their filesystem, extra disk space can just be added as a 2nd disk | [15:54] | |
| orion | Ahh, true! That might actually be a better option for me. | [16:03] | |
| up_the_irons | orion: just say so in your upgrade request when you email support@arpnetworks.com, and it'll be done | [16:04] | |
| orion | You see, I am going to be sharing a VPS with a bunch of my friends, and I need to figure out a way to split the cost based on disk space so that it's fair.
How much of a management headache is it to manage virtual drives? For example, if I bought a drive for each person, would that be annoying and time consuming? | [16:04] | |
| up_the_irons | orion: yes, we don't do that. if you want to do something like that, just create different partitions on your new second disk, or use quota(8), etc... | [16:07] | |
| orion | Right, I totally understand. | [16:07] | |
| up_the_irons | :) | [16:10] | |
| orion | haha, I've managed a server with this group of friends for... going on 6 years -- with no automation for anything except PowerDNS. I can only imagine how painful it must be to do VPSs for all of us. | [16:11] | |
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| up_the_irons | orion: well, there's a lot of automation that I've built over the years, by necessity. it isn't that bad | [16:12] | |
| orion | Can I take a wild stab and say that you're using Ruby for automation? | [16:13] | |
| up_the_irons | orion: that's a big part of it; on the servers though it is mainly shell scripts (i'm a minimalist)
orion: the Portal is a Rails app, with arpnetworks.com being a Sinatra app | [16:18] | |
| orion | I have a special place in my heart for Ruby, heh.
Sinatra is a great framework as well. | [16:19] | |
| up_the_irons | i love Sinatra
Sinatra is shell scripting for the web | [16:23] | |
| orion | It's beautiful.
Padrino is cool too. | [16:23] | |
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| up_the_irons: Does ARP offer discounts for paying semi- or yearly? | [16:39] | ||
| up_the_irons | http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/billing/is-there-a-discount-for-paying-in-advance | [16:40] | |
| orion | oops, sorry. :( | [16:40] | |
| up_the_irons | no worries | [16:49] | |
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| phlux | I wonder how long I've been with ARPNetworks
It might be time for me to pay semi-annually. Looks like I started with you guys in Feb of 2010 | [19:12] | |
| up_the_irons | We thank you for your loyalty :) | [19:28] | |
| phlux | Thank you :)
wow 7:41PM up 352 days, 23:49, 4 users, load averages: 0.07, 0.03, 0.00 Over a year of uptime on that VPS | [19:39] | |
| I really either need to up my resources or migrate to a dedicated server to be honest
I know my loads are low right now, but my entire network relies heavily on my ARPNetworks VPS...If something goes wrong with it, my whole network dies. | [19:48] | ||
| milki | bottleneck~ | [19:53] | |
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| up_the_irons | phlux: our dedicated servers are coming online soon. I have one in beta right now.
phlux: u need a dedicated server for a 15 minute avg load of 0.00? ;) | [20:21] | |
| phlux | up_the_irons: nice! | [20:21] | |
| up_the_irons | (not that i'm complaining) | [20:22] | |
| milki | ol
l | [20:22] | |
| up_the_irons | fail | [20:22] | |
| milki | ^
its ok | [20:22] | |
| up_the_irons | hah | [20:22] | |
| phlux | up_the_irons: lol probably not, but I like to be on the safe side | [20:22] | |
| milki | i have an excuse
race conditions | [20:22] | |
| up_the_irons | phlux: roger | [20:22] | |
| phlux | plus, if I make it a dedicated server, I can run more things that I have spread out right now
i.e., mail That's the one thing that VPS isn't currently hosting for me Anyone ever used Matt's mail toaster on FreeBSD? | [20:22] | |
| milki | shouldnt it be runnign freebsd on a toaster | [20:24] | |
| up_the_irons | phlux: well, if you want one, it's $169 for: 3.4 GHz Intel Xeon Ivy Bridge, 16GB of RAM, 2x 1TB SATA, Dual PS, /29 IP block, 20TB of bandwidth, full out-of-band IPMI access with virtual media (bootable ISOs) over OpenVPN | [20:25] | |
| phlux | good lord@those specs | [20:25] | |
| up_the_irons | phlux: having things spread out is better for redundancy though :)
LOL | [20:25] | |
| phlux | That's actually an amazing price for all of that | [20:25] | |
| up_the_irons | I aim to please | [20:26] | |
| phlux | I actually have a question about redundancy | [20:26] | |
| up_the_irons | There will be dual uplink and VRRP also once I get my 6506 up and running
ask :) | [20:26] | |
| phlux | How is it that big e-mail servers (GMail, Yahoo) are able to have multiple SMTP/POP/IMAP servers that all accomplish the same tasks?
I've always wanted to have a failsafe mailserver, but I have no clue how to get all of the e-mails to deliver to multiple inboxes, and how to tell clients which one to choose | [20:26] | |
| up_the_irons | phlux: well, only one server is picked by the MTA as the final destination
phlux: oh, that's easy. you have one primary MX and then a secondary MX running as just a relay server (to the primary MX). There are several tutorials for Postfix on this (and i've set up a system like this once with Postfix) | [20:27] | |
| phlux | up_the_irons: So let's assume MX1 goes down for some unforseen circumstance. Your e-mail users would never know the difference? | [20:29] | |
| up_the_irons | phlux: that part of it (client access vs. email delivery) i've not done before, but I would think something like this would work: the primary MX stores the email on some shared medium, which can be accessed by multiple IMAP/POP/whatever servers. You'd make *those* access servers redundant using the redundancy tool of your choice (RR DNS, LVS, or w/e) | [20:31] | |
| mjp | having a second mx as relay only just means the sending mta gets to deliver on first attempt instead of spooling. you would still lose pop/imap access on your mail box... | [20:32] | |
| up_the_irons | mjp: see my last comment :) | [20:33] | |
| mjp | ahhh yes :) | [20:33] | |
| phlux | up_the_irons: That is interesting..I'm going to look into that this week and get back to you on what I did/used. Maybe I'll write a tutorial or something so others can benefit (should I get it working) | [20:33] | |
| mjp | i was about to suggest shared storage/mail box syncing etc. | [20:33] | |
| phlux | up_the_irons: Thanks for the point in the right direction - I hadn't thought of their being a single point to retrieve information from.
s/their/there | [20:33] | |
| up_the_irons | mjp: yeah
phlux: np phlux: i think at the end of the day, there has to be this single point of info retrieval, and maybe that is sync'd / replicated somewhere for redundancy brb | [20:34] | |
| phlux | up_the_irons: Indeed. It makes sense. I was thinking the mail would have to be delivered to multiple servers at the same time, which didn't seem right.
Roger. I'm out for the night. Later, folks! | [20:36] | |
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