bah - keep forgetting to add you guys to my autojoin list :D win2 heh how come OpenBSD systat misbehaves in my arp vps? anyone have trouble with freebsd-update? I've been getting this contastantly the last few weeks: http://dpaste.com/758314/ misbehaves how? I'm not familiar with running it on openbsd, but I've seen other issues.. that may not be specific to openbosd it never populates the fields with stats pjs: IIRC, they added IPv6 AAAA records a few weeks ago. is your IPv6 either disabled, or configured correctly? jpalmer, I never configured it.. i tried running it with a interval of 1 sec and the clock display ticks but no data. then this: > The alternate system clock has died! pjs: I'd specifically disable IPv6 then, and see if it works. mikeputnam: ahh, not familiar with that particular issue. probably not going to be much help :/ top works normally not a big deal really, more curiosity jpalmer, silly question.. I see the rc.conf entries to disable ipv6, but is it possible without requiring a reboot? pjs: remove the default route for v6, and it won't be used (and if you never set it up, then most likely there is not v6 default anyway) up_the_irons netstat -rn does show some v6 routes.. pjs: can you ping update5.freebsd.org? over ipv4? I have a feeling it's timing out before your networking stack is trying to fall back to ipv4 Yup what happens if you ping6 the same host? PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 2607:f2f8:a548::2 --> 2001:4978:1:420::cc09:3750 ping6: sendmsg: Operation not permitted pjs: the v6 default will be ::0 pjs: is your firewall blocking some v6? pjs: I'd run a tcpdump, and see if it's bein attempted over v4 or v6 that message looks like the traffic is being administratively blocked. up_the_irons default 2607:f2f8:a548::1 UGS em0 (my default) ahh, could be.. I didn't specifically permit v6 pjs: looks right man my v6 fu is non-existant up_the_irons / jpalmer - my default out going rule is "pass out on $ext_if proto { tcp, udp, icmp } from any to any modulate state" (pf) do I need to specify v6 in there? my pf fu is non-existent ;) pjs: I'm not sure how to completely disable v6 on fbsd.. I haven't done much in fbsd-land with it. I'm more of a centos guy the last 2-3 years due to work. heh ok cool.. I'll read the man page you're probably blocking icmp6, which is required for things like neighbor discovery to work I think twobithacker is probably right, i just had a support ticket about this a week ago, and the customer's pf was blocking the ND packets twobithacker ahh, ok.. I am allowing icmp "pass in inet proto icmp all icmp-type echoreq keep state" but not mentioning icmp6 yeah, IPv6 requires more than that to function, you need to allow at least neighbrsol and neighbradv, and maybe routersol/routeradv, and toobig is highly recommended (since v6 can't be fragmented on the path) I find it easier to just allow all icmp6 I'd add a temp rule to allow all ipv6 in/out, and see if that addresses your update issue. let smake sure we're on the right path, before builind g a fulle pf rule set. wow, I kin tipe. ok, yea.. let me test that lol currently in a meeting. ignore my poor typing and sporadic repsonses. :P http://pastebin.ca/2160604 <- my fairly minimal pf.conf, if anyone's interested twobithacker thanks.. helps me with the icmp6 change jpalmer: depends on how thoroughly you want to remove it :P jdoe: I more meant 'disbable' so that the OS doesn't try to prefer it over v4. Ideally, you'd have dual stack working correctly. but barring that, prever v4 over a broken v6 config ah jpalmer, well I can now ping6 update5.freebsd.org but freebsd-update fetch still fails (same as before, only much quicker now heh) Anyone in here know anything about verifying SSL certs? maybe, what are you trying to do? pjs: were you able to get a tcpdump? is it trying v4 or v6? pjs: find the ipv4 address for one of the update servers, stick it in /etc/hosts, and see if it works? jpalmer, good idea.. I'll toy with it some more tomorrow. I got a handful of tickets to take care of.. thanks for all the help though! jpalmer, twobithacker, up_the_irons - really appreciate it! :)