would be cool if someone was online to do a cd change at this time of night =p
qbit_: newp, never came back from reboot lol. Looking at the console now to see what happened
Webhostbudd: up_the_irons is online late at night quite often.  support ticket is the best way to get his attention.
qbit_: no deal, nothing showing up on the console and cant ssh in... lol
Zetas: did it prompt you for the disabeling of mpbios?
when? i don'
i don't have any prompts now
it never came back up after running your script and rebooting
during the script run
no
mm
that's probably why
you can still disable it
from the boot> prompt
from the > prompt ( just before it loads the kernel )
type bsd -c
then disable mpbios
quit
i was able to get to the prompt from the vnc console thinger
am i dumb, are you supposed to be able to type in the console? It eventually showed me a login prompt just now after waiting 30+ minutes (but still cant ssh)
but i cant type anything in
on the ssh console ya
should be able to type
thats what i thought
no dice
or vnc
i wonder what the effing issue is
vnc is gonna be a pita, i have to go through 2 proxies just to browse the web
well ssh might not be coming up because of old ocnfig options
or missing devices
( sysmerge -s etc51.tgz and sh MAKEDEV all )
qbit_: i was finally able to login, the issue is the console, its extremely slow, its taking >=1 minute for each keystroke to register
whoa
weird
well maybe not the console, could be the vps itself
are you getting timeouts on emX?
dmesg should show them
im logged in at the console
i have the $
but every character i type takes over a minute to show up
uh oh
b0rked
level 3 again, go figure
ohgod
Seems resolved, knew I liked [FBI] for a reason.
arenlor: will try to connect to it
is there something going on with kvr13?  I'm seeing a lot of packet loss
arenlor: actually everything since xp i think or at least vista has been ipv6 capable from the start.
Zetas: that was a legit question :P
qbit_: lol
Zetas: No native IPv6 so I use a tunnel, never seems to work.
XP just requires a few commands to enable v6, but it can't do DNS lookups on it, so you need to dual stack
jpalmer: We're all seeing the networking going up and down.
ok,  so not host specific
My linux partition though, had no problem getting IPv6 setup, runs lovely, DNS and all.
jpalmer: Nope, I have two different hosts, both down when it went down.
er
uh
9 minutes i guess
Notifications for this host are being suppressed because it was detected as having been flapping between different states (32.8% change > 30.0% threshold). When the host state stabilizes and the flapping stops, notifications will be re-enabled.
if it makes you feel any better, LINX is hosed  =)
my traceroutes appear to be ok.
of course, I'm not seeing the issue now, either.  so..  it could be that bgp did it's thing :P
yeah it's fine now.  a bit ago, level 3 was sending me to paris...
he went to paris, looking for answers to questions that bothered him so
issues for me as well.
saw a routing loop for a bit
out to pccw?
pccw?
that's where my packets were looping
mine where looping here
25  cr1.lax1.us.packetexchange.net (4.71.136.2)  86.168 ms  75.143 ms  74.340 ms
26  xe-10-0-0.edge3.losangeles1.level3.net (4.71.136.1)  74.154 ms  73.959 ms  73.972 ms
omg, yay, i'm in
i was connected to so many freenode channels that when my client tried to reconnect, freenode would kick me with Excess Flood
jlgaddis: what happened to LINX?
no official word yet
ah
a ton of bgp sessions were reset over here also (~ 7:55), i'm still investigating the cause (I suspect an Any2 IX engineer looped the fabric again)
dunno, i saw level3 issues in denver right about the same time
jlgaddis: yeah, kinda weird
up_the_irons: see my pm?  useful place to lurk.
jlgaddis: checkin' it out, tnx!
up_the_irons: any idea why there is a ~1min keystroke lag when using the ssh console?
up_the_irons, jlgaddis: Hi. I am Paul-20712 in the other place :)
other place?
The first rule of the other place is that you don't talk about the other place
We having some connectivity issues today?
phlux: there was some earlier (~ 8am pst), still investigating
Roger that, thanks
Zetas: openbsd?  seeing any em0 timeouts on the console?
up_the_irons: nope, i did an upgrade to 5.1 and that might have messed things up, i can't ssh in and i didn't try the ssh console before ssh stopped working. But as far as i can tell from looking at load average and what not: as far as the vps is concerned there's no issues.
up_the_irons: and yes, obsd, sorry.
plett: hah, nice  =)
Zetas: not sure.  i have a 5.1 test VM and it is stable (and responsive).  there were some issues on openbsd-misc ML about 5.1 throwing a ton of em0 timeouts (making ssh basically unusable), and one other customer reported this also, but i can't reproduce it for the life of me.  the openbsd-misc guys argue with me on this, but nevertheless, the only people who reported problems *upgraded*,
while those who did fresh installs did not have a problem.
Zetas: have you sysmerge'd yet and MAKEDEV'd yet?
qbit_: im trying to get to it, but as you can imagine, while waiting 1 minute for every keystroke, it can take quite awhile to get anything done.
truth
up_the_irons: i would have rather done a fresh install but the only option was an upgrade :(
i would try to do those before checking for other causes of the issue
Zetas: roger
Zetas: you can do a fresh install
qbit_: how?
http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/vps/re-install-or-change-os
also you can boot into the bsd.rd and just install away
o_o
why.....
why.... would you give me that craptastic script when i could have just fresh installed
lol
cuz you asked "how to upgrade"
Zetas: qbit_ : LOL
:P
i just got "engineered"
Zetas: PM me your vps uuid and i'll put in the 5.1 CD :)
similar to "lawyered"
hahahahaha
whoa, damn near 70 nicks in here, yay
largest in a while...
wew
came in to see why i couldn't connect :D
LOL
*that's* gotta explain it...
up_the_irons: any chance you'll start emailing out receipts again anytime soon?  my bookkeeper would really like them.
jlgaddis: we actually put that back in place almost immediately (~ jan/feb), you haven't been getting them i take it...
jlgaddis: they are sent to the email in your Profile in the Portal
(the primary one)
jlgaddis: you can also view all invoices since Feb in the Portal.  Just click the "Invoices" link.
(or rather, invoices generated since Feb are there, but that feature only appeared in the Portal last month)
hrm, lemme double check but no, i don't think i've been getting them
okay, i lied.
haha
i have all of them.  nfi why i thought i wasn't getting them still.
LOL
when the internet goes wonky, jlgaddis' brain goes wonky too
ooooh, automatically dumped to a receipts folder
and you forget your own filters...
;)
not sure when i set that up.  i used to see them in my inbox and then file 'em away.
looks like i'm missing march actually, but i'll print it off from the portal.  thanks and sorry for the false alarm.
np!
DEMAND A REFUND
j/k
jlgaddis: yeah, it is
cool, i always wondered if anyone ever signed up after i recommended you.  i know a few coworkers did a long time ago.
jlgaddis: yes, i recall that code coming through once recently
up_the_irons: maybe im doing something wrong but im unable to get vnc to work, i keep getting: channel 2: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused.
from the terminal i set the tunnel up on
Zetas: only 1 vnc session is supported, so if u have a dangling session somewhere else, it'll cause problems
do a hard reboot and try again
Channel poll: Regarding referral programs -- I've often given a free month to customers who refer a friend.  However, if I used a Dropbox-like model, where I give more VPS resources for each friend referred, would that be preferred?  Like, more RAM, or disk, or BW...  and if so, what is the most desired resource?
up_the_irons: i dont think i could have any dangling vnc sessions, i've never used it before. I just did a hard shutdown again and tried again and still the same results.
Zetas: what is the vnc host and port?
up_the_irons: btw, qbit_ referred me, i didn't see anywhere to put that on the signup page.
:D
up_the_irons: the last bit of my tunnel command: 5955:kvr19.arpnetworks.com:6059 -N
Zetas: the vps is running?
up_the_irons: newp
Zetas: "Additional Comments" :)
so it has to be running i assume
qbit_: send me a reminder: support@arpnetworks.com.  I will credit you for the referral
lol
Zetas: yeah :)
oh sweet
i love learning
:)
up_the_irons: the free month is fine w/ me
jlgaddis: roger
don't really need the extra resources or i would have upgraded
fwiw, the #packetpushers site is on a "managed server" that they pay $99/mo. for.  they do less page views per day than i do, have more resources on their server, and have more problems than i do.  =)
i've tried to get greg to switch to you but he doesn't want to deal w/ the management of the server.
up_the_irons: hope my email addy is enough for you to key off my account :P
cuz i didn't supply any more info :D
qbit_: yeah that'll be fine
kew
jlgaddis: LOL
jlgaddis: maybe i should start a managed hosting option...
up_the_irons: yes, working!!!111
up_the_irons: what kind of storage backend do you use? Localstore? iscsi luns?
Zetas: 8x SATA (RAID 10) on local
fiber channel over token ring
lol
i hear those switches are cheap...
i was running iscsi luns over fiber channel, it worked pretty well with the 70 or so vps's on that box.
Zetas: is iscsi typically run over fiber channel, or was that just something you added?:)
up_the_irons: it can be run over whatever you want. During early testing i just used gig-e
Zetas: yeah, just wondering what performed better
well FC was way better than gig-
e
Zetas: there are even switches "optimized" for iscsi, over regular gige
Zetas: ah , interesting
nestea: Your fu.cr domain, did you have to jump through hoops to claim that you are the trademark/brand holder of "fu" to get it?
iscsi over fiber channel?
even during beta i was pumping about 600gb/day through the uplink (including both directions)
brb
whats the netmask forthere we go
wow copy paste fail
woot
i am so cool
i am in bsd
haha
:o
up_the_irons: when you switched me to linux from freebsd and said i wouldn't be able to access the freebsd HDD, is the new disk actually using a different image file? Or is the assumption just that freebsd won't boot virtio disks?
Webhostbudd: im not 100% sure but i seem to recall having issues with freebsd and linux getting along, i think fbsd uses an entirely different partition type that is not supported by default in linux.
freebsd 9 uses gpt
older bsd's used their own type
ok, the last time i interacted with it, i seem to remember ufs being involved.
so the latest actually isn't that bad
yea, it uses ufs but with a gpt table i can always have linux easily read the ufs partition
i guess thats right, what i was trying to do was to create a partition in linux that fbsd 8 could read
that was a nightmare
yea...
it sucks that there is really no middle ground between the two systems
although i guess they both read / write ext2 if im not mistaken
i was shocked when i found out just how different they were.. im not sure why they are so different though
i think they can both fallback to ext2, yea
Why wouldn't they be vastly different?
im not all that surprised myself given their history
and it's not like their differences are all that bad, my only qualm with freebsd is virtualization and filesystems
mike-burns: seems to me as time moves on all things homogenize
unfortunately licensing doesn't exactly allow that
Webhostbudd: it's the same image
oh, alright
Webhostbudd: but the underlying architecture that the VM sees for the disk is "virtio" instead of "ide"
yep
i was actually going to ask about that switch earlier when i had planned on compiling virtio extensions into freebsd
but i've since decided to switch away
Webhostbudd: Zetas : last i checked, linux could read ufs2 partitions, but not write
or at least the "write" was experimental still
write is pretty broken and scary
up until a couple years ago, ntfs was still read only by default lol
Webhostbudd: had a customer try freebsd 9 virtio extensions and there were issues booting (not sure why)
weird
they worked fine on my kvm setup here
you might have a newer kvm with newer bios
possibly
and on arch i wouldn't be all that surprised if that was true
arch will do virtio no problem
sorry, as a base system with the kvm package
im sure qemu-kvm is more up to date
same with seabio
ah right
doesn't really matter at this point anyway, the real reason I wanted to use freebsd was jails and it looks like linux containers is making some good progress
"Ring users can connect to simplytransit01.ring.nlnog.net, which is located in Maidenhead, United Kingdom."
There's actually a city named Maidenhead?!
that just made my day
-- https://ring.nlnog.net/news/2012/04/simply-transit-joined-the-ring/
lol
up_the_irons: I wouldn't call it a city, but yes :)
We have half a dozen racks in the same data centre as that ring node
plett: so what is it, a small town?  building? ;)
up_the_irons: Medium sized town by UK standards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maidenhead
wow, ty
Being that close to London, it would probably be considered to be in the "London Metro area", if it were transplanted to .us
But here, it is considered to be most definitely not London
ah
interesting
well this is dissapointing
for some reason my vnc console is broken
this is really odd
isn't the vnc connection supposed to be destroyed when i hard shutdown the machine?
up_the_irons: you there?
Webhostbudd: your VM has to be running for VNC to connect
it is....
i've been trying to switch it hard off and back on
for some reason vnc isn't connecting anymor
then the VM may not be running
or u have a stale vnc session somewhere in the background
restarted my machine
still nothing
this is really weird
Webhostbudd: what is the host and port?
kvr24.arpnetworks.com:6070
up_the_irons: anything?
Webhostbudd: sorry, was afk
oh, alright
Webhostbudd: the connection hangs, which means there's another connection somewhere
well, i would hope rebooting my machine would fix that
Webhostbudd: you can kill all connections by *hard* rebooting
the VM must be completely off
I've done this numerous times
that's fine
just did a hard poweroff of the vm
http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/vps/out-of-band-management
i read the whole thing
still no dice
Webhostbudd: pm me your vps uuid
i will kill it from my end
im using the cust console which seems to be killing it, but still no luck when it comes back up
Webhostbudd: try now, i can connect
alright
awesome, thanks
odd that it didn't work before
well, this is rare, but looks like libvirt hung (cause unknown).  so your VM was not coming back up b/c the manager died.
oh, alright
i gave it a kick, and a shove, and now it's all good
lets hope i don't break it again
doing whatever it was that i did
now i've got something even more odd, i try to boot from a cd and just get a blank screen
this is what i get for not building virtio modules into my kernel
we always set virtio for linux guests, so if you have linux, be sure to add virtio :)
i just forgot that i needed to manually add the virtio modules
and i appreciate that is is virtio
but for some reason my livecd is giving me a black / grey screen if i hit enter
which i find to be odd
seeing as it worked 4 hours ago
man, you're just breaking everything, aren't you?  :P
i am
i have absolutely no idea how
alright
lol