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[00:14] <Webhostbudd> would be cool if someone was online to do a cd change at this time of night =p
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[05:48] <Zetas> qbit_: newp, never came back from reboot lol. Looking at the console now to see what happened
[06:06] <jlgaddis> Webhostbudd: up_the_irons is online late at night quite often.  support ticket is the best way to get his attention.
[06:11] <Zetas> qbit_: no deal, nothing showing up on the console and cant ssh in... lol
[06:23] <qbit_> Zetas: did it prompt you for the disabeling of mpbios?
[06:25] <Zetas> when? i don'
[06:25] <Zetas> i don't have any prompts now
[06:25] <Zetas> it never came back up after running your script and rebooting
[06:25] <qbit_> during the script run
[06:25] <Zetas> no
[06:25] <qbit_> mm
[06:25] <qbit_> that's probably why
[06:25] <qbit_> you can still disable it
[06:25] <qbit_> from the boot> prompt
[06:26] <qbit_> from the > prompt ( just before it loads the kernel )
[06:26] <qbit_> type bsd -c
[06:26] <qbit_> then disable mpbios
[06:26] <qbit_> quit
[06:27] <qbit_> i was able to get to the prompt from the vnc console thinger
[06:27] <Zetas> am i dumb, are you supposed to be able to type in the console? It eventually showed me a login prompt just now after waiting 30+ minutes (but still cant ssh)
[06:27] <Zetas> but i cant type anything in
[06:27] <qbit_> on the ssh console ya
[06:27] <qbit_> should be able to type
[06:28] <Zetas> thats what i thought
[06:28] <Zetas> no dice
[06:28] <qbit_> or vnc
[06:28] <Zetas> i wonder what the effing issue is
[06:28] <Zetas> vnc is gonna be a pita, i have to go through 2 proxies just to browse the web
[06:28] <qbit_> well ssh might not be coming up because of old ocnfig options
[06:28] <qbit_> or missing devices
[06:29] <qbit_> ( sysmerge -s etc51.tgz and sh MAKEDEV all )
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[07:36] <Zetas> qbit_: i was finally able to login, the issue is the console, its extremely slow, its taking >=1 minute for each keystroke to register
[07:37] <qbit_> whoa
[07:37] <qbit_> weird
[07:38] <Zetas> well maybe not the console, could be the vps itself
[07:43] <qbit_> are you getting timeouts on emX?
[07:43] <qbit_> dmesg should show them
[07:43] <Zetas> im logged in at the console
[07:43] <Zetas> i have the $
[07:43] <Zetas> but every character i type takes over a minute to show up
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[07:55] <jlgaddis> uh oh
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[07:55] <jlgaddis> b0rked
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[07:55] <jlgaddis> level 3 again, go figure
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[07:56] <qbit_> ohgod
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[08:09] <arenlor> Seems resolved, knew I liked [FBI] for a reason.
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[08:09] <rgouveia> arenlor: will try to connect to it
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[08:17] <jpalmer> is there something going on with kvr13?  I'm seeing a lot of packet loss
[08:17] <Zetas> arenlor: actually everything since xp i think or at least vista has been ipv6 capable from the start.
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[08:17] <qbit_> Zetas: that was a legit question :P
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[08:18] <Zetas> qbit_: lol
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[08:18] <arenlor> Zetas: No native IPv6 so I use a tunnel, never seems to work.
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[08:18] <twobithacker> XP just requires a few commands to enable v6, but it can't do DNS lookups on it, so you need to dual stack
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[08:18] <arenlor> jpalmer: We're all seeing the networking going up and down.
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[08:19] <jpalmer> ok,  so not host specific
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[08:19] <arenlor> My linux partition though, had no problem getting IPv6 setup, runs lovely, DNS and all.
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[08:19] <arenlor> jpalmer: Nope, I have two different hosts, both down when it went down.
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[08:24] * mikeputnam attests to network drop 3 minutes ago
[08:24] <mikeputnam> er
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[08:24] <qbit_> uh
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[08:24] <mikeputnam> 9 minutes i guess
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[08:34] <jpalmer> Notifications for this host are being suppressed because it was detected as having been flapping between different states (32.8% change > 30.0% threshold). When the host state stabilizes and the flapping stops, notifications will be re-enabled.
[08:37] <jlgaddis> if it makes you feel any better, LINX is hosed  =)
[08:37] <jpalmer> my traceroutes appear to be ok.
[08:38] <jpalmer> of course, I'm not seeing the issue now, either.  so..  it could be that bgp did it's thing :P
[08:38] <jlgaddis> yeah it's fine now.  a bit ago, level 3 was sending me to paris...
[08:39] <jpalmer> he went to paris, looking for answers to questions that bothered him so
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[08:52] <tooth> issues for me as well.
[08:52] <tooth> saw a routing loop for a bit
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[08:53] <twobithacker> out to pccw?
[08:53] <tooth> pccw?
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[08:56] <twobithacker> that's where my packets were looping
[09:04] <tooth> mine where looping here
[09:04] <tooth> 25  cr1.lax1.us.packetexchange.net (4.71.136.2)  86.168 ms  75.143 ms  74.340 ms
[09:04] <tooth> 26  xe-10-0-0.edge3.losangeles1.level3.net (4.71.136.1)  74.154 ms  73.959 ms  73.972 ms
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[09:13] <up_the_irons> omg, yay, i'm in
[09:13] <up_the_irons> i was connected to so many freenode channels that when my client tried to reconnect, freenode would kick me with Excess Flood
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[09:20] <up_the_irons> jlgaddis: what happened to LINX?
[09:20] <jlgaddis> no official word yet
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[09:21] <up_the_irons> ah
[09:22] <up_the_irons> a ton of bgp sessions were reset over here also (~ 7:55), i'm still investigating the cause (I suspect an Any2 IX engineer looped the fabric again)
[09:24] <jlgaddis> dunno, i saw level3 issues in denver right about the same time
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[09:29] <up_the_irons> jlgaddis: yeah, kinda weird
[09:33] <jlgaddis> up_the_irons: see my pm?  useful place to lurk.
[09:34] <up_the_irons> jlgaddis: checkin' it out, tnx!
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[09:37] <Zetas> up_the_irons: any idea why there is a ~1min keystroke lag when using the ssh console?
[09:38] <plett> up_the_irons, jlgaddis: Hi. I am Paul-20712 in the other place :)
[09:38] <Zetas> other place?
[09:39] <plett> The first rule of the other place is that you don't talk about the other place
[09:39] <phlux> We having some connectivity issues today?
[09:39] <up_the_irons> phlux: there was some earlier (~ 8am pst), still investigating
[09:39] <phlux> Roger that, thanks
[09:39] <up_the_irons> Zetas: openbsd?  seeing any em0 timeouts on the console?
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[09:40] <Zetas> up_the_irons: nope, i did an upgrade to 5.1 and that might have messed things up, i can't ssh in and i didn't try the ssh console before ssh stopped working. But as far as i can tell from looking at load average and what not: as far as the vps is concerned there's no issues.
[09:40] <Zetas> up_the_irons: and yes, obsd, sorry.
[09:42] <jlgaddis> plett: hah, nice  =)
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[09:45] <up_the_irons> Zetas: not sure.  i have a 5.1 test VM and it is stable (and responsive).  there were some issues on openbsd-misc ML about 5.1 throwing a ton of em0 timeouts (making ssh basically unusable), and one other customer reported this also, but i can't reproduce it for the life of me.  the openbsd-misc guys argue with me on this, but nevertheless, the only people who reported problems *upgraded*,
[09:45] <up_the_irons> while those who did fresh installs did not have a problem.
[09:46] <qbit_> Zetas: have you sysmerge'd yet and MAKEDEV'd yet?
[09:46] <Zetas> qbit_: im trying to get to it, but as you can imagine, while waiting 1 minute for every keystroke, it can take quite awhile to get anything done.
[09:47] <qbit_> truth
[09:47] <Zetas> up_the_irons: i would have rather done a fresh install but the only option was an upgrade :(
[09:47] <qbit_> i would try to do those before checking for other causes of the issue
[09:47] <up_the_irons> Zetas: roger
[09:47] <qbit_> Zetas: you can do a fresh install
[09:48] <Zetas> qbit_: how?
[09:49] <qbit_> http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/vps/re-install-or-change-os
[09:49] <qbit_> also you can boot into the bsd.rd and just install away
[09:49] <Zetas> o_o
[09:49] <Zetas> why.....
[09:50] <Zetas> why.... would you give me that craptastic script when i could have just fresh installed
[09:50] <Zetas> lol
[09:50] <qbit_> cuz you asked "how to upgrade"
[09:50] <up_the_irons> Zetas: qbit_ : LOL
[09:50] <qbit_> :P
[09:50] <Zetas> i just got "engineered"
[09:50] <up_the_irons> Zetas: PM me your vps uuid and i'll put in the 5.1 CD :)
[09:50] <Zetas> similar to "lawyered"
[09:50] <up_the_irons> hahahahaha
[09:51] <up_the_irons> whoa, damn near 70 nicks in here, yay
[09:51] <up_the_irons> largest in a while...
[09:53] <qbit_> wew
[09:53] <pyro-> came in to see why i couldn't connect :D
[09:55] <up_the_irons> LOL
[09:55] <up_the_irons> *that's* gotta explain it...
[10:04] <jlgaddis> up_the_irons: any chance you'll start emailing out receipts again anytime soon?  my bookkeeper would really like them.
[10:07] <up_the_irons> jlgaddis: we actually put that back in place almost immediately (~ jan/feb), you haven't been getting them i take it...
[10:07] <up_the_irons> jlgaddis: they are sent to the email in your Profile in the Portal
[10:07] <up_the_irons> (the primary one)
[10:08] <up_the_irons> jlgaddis: you can also view all invoices since Feb in the Portal.  Just click the "Invoices" link.
[10:09] <up_the_irons> (or rather, invoices generated since Feb are there, but that feature only appeared in the Portal last month)
[10:09] <jlgaddis> hrm, lemme double check but no, i don't think i've been getting them
[10:09] <jlgaddis> okay, i lied.
[10:09] <up_the_irons> haha
[10:09] <jlgaddis> i have all of them.  nfi why i thought i wasn't getting them still.
[10:09] <up_the_irons> LOL
[10:09] <up_the_irons> when the internet goes wonky, jlgaddis' brain goes wonky too
[10:09] <jlgaddis> ooooh, automatically dumped to a receipts folder
[10:10] <up_the_irons> and you forget your own filters...
[10:10] <up_the_irons> ;)
[10:10] <jlgaddis> not sure when i set that up.  i used to see them in my inbox and then file 'em away.
[10:11] <jlgaddis> looks like i'm missing march actually, but i'll print it off from the portal.  thanks and sorry for the false alarm.
[10:11] <up_the_irons> np!
[10:12] <doomviking> DEMAND A REFUND
[10:12] <doomviking> j/k
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[10:16] * jlgaddis wonders if the "EVIL" coupon code is still accepted
[10:17] <up_the_irons> jlgaddis: yeah, it is
[10:18] <jlgaddis> cool, i always wondered if anyone ever signed up after i recommended you.  i know a few coworkers did a long time ago.
[10:18] <up_the_irons> jlgaddis: yes, i recall that code coming through once recently
[10:19] <Zetas> up_the_irons: maybe im doing something wrong but im unable to get vnc to work, i keep getting: channel 2: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused.
[10:19] <Zetas> from the terminal i set the tunnel up on
[10:20] <up_the_irons> Zetas: only 1 vnc session is supported, so if u have a dangling session somewhere else, it'll cause problems
[10:20] <up_the_irons> do a hard reboot and try again
[10:21] <up_the_irons> Channel poll: Regarding referral programs -- I've often given a free month to customers who refer a friend.  However, if I used a Dropbox-like model, where I give more VPS resources for each friend referred, would that be preferred?  Like, more RAM, or disk, or BW...  and if so, what is the most desired resource?
[10:22] <Zetas> up_the_irons: i dont think i could have any dangling vnc sessions, i've never used it before. I just did a hard shutdown again and tried again and still the same results.
[10:22] <up_the_irons> Zetas: what is the vnc host and port?
[10:22] <Zetas> up_the_irons: btw, qbit_ referred me, i didn't see anywhere to put that on the signup page.
[10:22] <qbit_> :D
[10:22] <Zetas> up_the_irons: the last bit of my tunnel command: 5955:kvr19.arpnetworks.com:6059 -N
[10:23] <up_the_irons> Zetas: the vps is running?
[10:23] <Zetas> up_the_irons: newp
[10:23] <up_the_irons> Zetas: "Additional Comments" :)
[10:23] <Zetas> so it has to be running i assume
[10:23] <up_the_irons> qbit_: send me a reminder: support@arpnetworks.com.  I will credit you for the referral
[10:23] <Zetas> lol
[10:23] <up_the_irons> Zetas: yeah :)
[10:23] <qbit_> oh sweet
[10:23] <Zetas> i love learning
[10:24] <up_the_irons> :)
[10:25] <jlgaddis> up_the_irons: the free month is fine w/ me
[10:25] <up_the_irons> jlgaddis: roger
[10:25] <jlgaddis> don't really need the extra resources or i would have upgraded
[10:26] <jlgaddis> fwiw, the #packetpushers site is on a "managed server" that they pay $99/mo. for.  they do less page views per day than i do, have more resources on their server, and have more problems than i do.  =)
[10:26] <jlgaddis> i've tried to get greg to switch to you but he doesn't want to deal w/ the management of the server.
[10:27] <qbit_> up_the_irons: hope my email addy is enough for you to key off my account :P
[10:27] <qbit_> cuz i didn't supply any more info :D
[10:30] <up_the_irons> qbit_: yeah that'll be fine
[10:30] <qbit_> kew
[10:30] <up_the_irons> jlgaddis: LOL
[10:31] <up_the_irons> jlgaddis: maybe i should start a managed hosting option...
[10:32] <Zetas> up_the_irons: yes, working!!!111
[10:33] <Zetas> up_the_irons: what kind of storage backend do you use? Localstore? iscsi luns?
[10:33] <up_the_irons> Zetas: 8x SATA (RAID 10) on local
[10:33] <jlgaddis> fiber channel over token ring
[10:33] * up_the_irons drops dead
[10:34] <Zetas> lol
[10:34] <up_the_irons> i hear those switches are cheap...
[10:34] <Zetas> i was running iscsi luns over fiber channel, it worked pretty well with the 70 or so vps's on that box.
[10:35] <up_the_irons> Zetas: is iscsi typically run over fiber channel, or was that just something you added?:)
[10:36] <Zetas> up_the_irons: it can be run over whatever you want. During early testing i just used gig-e
[10:36] <up_the_irons> Zetas: yeah, just wondering what performed better
[10:36] <Zetas> well FC was way better than gig-
[10:36] <Zetas> e
[10:36] <up_the_irons> Zetas: there are even switches "optimized" for iscsi, over regular gige
[10:37] <up_the_irons> Zetas: ah , interesting
[10:37] <plett> nestea: Your fu.cr domain, did you have to jump through hoops to claim that you are the trademark/brand holder of "fu" to get it?
[10:37] <jlgaddis> iscsi over fiber channel?
[10:37] <Zetas> even during beta i was pumping about 600gb/day through the uplink (including both directions)
[10:37] <up_the_irons> brb
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[11:19] <Zetas> whats the netmask forthere we go
[11:19] <Zetas> wow copy paste fail
[11:19] <Zetas_> woot
[11:19] <Zetas_> i am so cool
[11:19] <Zetas_> i am in bsd
[11:19] * Zetas_ pats self on the head
[11:24] <qbit_> haha
[11:30] <nestea> :o
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[11:50] <Webhostbudd> up_the_irons: when you switched me to linux from freebsd and said i wouldn't be able to access the freebsd HDD, is the new disk actually using a different image file? Or is the assumption just that freebsd won't boot virtio disks?
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[12:08] <Zetas> Webhostbudd: im not 100% sure but i seem to recall having issues with freebsd and linux getting along, i think fbsd uses an entirely different partition type that is not supported by default in linux.
[12:09] <Webhostbudd> freebsd 9 uses gpt
[12:09] <Webhostbudd> older bsd's used their own type
[12:09] <Zetas> ok, the last time i interacted with it, i seem to remember ufs being involved.
[12:09] <Webhostbudd> so the latest actually isn't that bad
[12:09] <Webhostbudd> yea, it uses ufs but with a gpt table i can always have linux easily read the ufs partition
[12:10] <Zetas> i guess thats right, what i was trying to do was to create a partition in linux that fbsd 8 could read
[12:10] <Zetas> that was a nightmare
[12:10] <Webhostbudd> yea...
[12:10] <Webhostbudd> it sucks that there is really no middle ground between the two systems
[12:10] <Webhostbudd> although i guess they both read / write ext2 if im not mistaken
[12:11] <Zetas> i was shocked when i found out just how different they were.. im not sure why they are so different though
[12:11] <Zetas> i think they can both fallback to ext2, yea
[12:12] <mike-burns> Why wouldn't they be vastly different?
[12:12] <Webhostbudd> im not all that surprised myself given their history
[12:13] <Webhostbudd> and it's not like their differences are all that bad, my only qualm with freebsd is virtualization and filesystems
[12:13] <Zetas> mike-burns: seems to me as time moves on all things homogenize
[12:14] <Webhostbudd> unfortunately licensing doesn't exactly allow that
[12:14] <up_the_irons> Webhostbudd: it's the same image
[12:14] <Webhostbudd> oh, alright
[12:15] <up_the_irons> Webhostbudd: but the underlying architecture that the VM sees for the disk is "virtio" instead of "ide"
[12:15] <Webhostbudd> yep
[12:15] <Webhostbudd> i was actually going to ask about that switch earlier when i had planned on compiling virtio extensions into freebsd
[12:15] <Webhostbudd> but i've since decided to switch away
[12:15] <up_the_irons> Webhostbudd: Zetas : last i checked, linux could read ufs2 partitions, but not write
[12:16] <up_the_irons> or at least the "write" was experimental still
[12:16] <Webhostbudd> write is pretty broken and scary
[12:16] <Zetas> up until a couple years ago, ntfs was still read only by default lol
[12:17] <up_the_irons> Webhostbudd: had a customer try freebsd 9 virtio extensions and there were issues booting (not sure why)
[12:17] <Webhostbudd> weird
[12:17] <Webhostbudd> they worked fine on my kvm setup here
[12:19] <up_the_irons> you might have a newer kvm with newer bios
[12:19] <Webhostbudd> possibly
[12:19] <Webhostbudd> and on arch i wouldn't be all that surprised if that was true
[12:20] <up_the_irons> arch will do virtio no problem
[12:20] <Webhostbudd> sorry, as a base system with the kvm package
[12:20] <Webhostbudd> im sure qemu-kvm is more up to date
[12:20] <Webhostbudd> same with seabio
[12:20] <up_the_irons> ah right
[12:21] <Webhostbudd> doesn't really matter at this point anyway, the real reason I wanted to use freebsd was jails and it looks like linux containers is making some good progress
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[12:57] <up_the_irons> "Ring users can connect to simplytransit01.ring.nlnog.net, which is located in Maidenhead, United Kingdom."
[12:57] <up_the_irons> There's actually a city named Maidenhead?!
[12:57] <up_the_irons> that just made my day
[12:58] <up_the_irons> -- https://ring.nlnog.net/news/2012/04/simply-transit-joined-the-ring/
[13:01] <Webhostbudd> lol
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[13:37] <plett> up_the_irons: I wouldn't call it a city, but yes :)
[13:38] <plett> We have half a dozen racks in the same data centre as that ring node
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[14:51] <up_the_irons> plett: so what is it, a small town?  building? ;)
[14:52] <plett> up_the_irons: Medium sized town by UK standards
[14:52] <plett> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maidenhead
[14:52] <up_the_irons> wow, ty
[14:53] <plett> Being that close to London, it would probably be considered to be in the "London Metro area", if it were transplanted to .us
[14:55] <plett> But here, it is considered to be most definitely not London
[14:56] <up_the_irons> ah
[14:56] <up_the_irons> interesting
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[16:03] <Webhostbudd> well this is dissapointing
[16:03] <Webhostbudd> for some reason my vnc console is broken
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[16:10] <Webhostbudd_> this is really odd
[16:10] <Webhostbudd_> isn't the vnc connection supposed to be destroyed when i hard shutdown the machine?
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[16:25] <Webhostbudd> up_the_irons: you there?
[16:26] <up_the_irons> Webhostbudd: your VM has to be running for VNC to connect
[16:26] <Webhostbudd> it is....
[16:26] <Webhostbudd> i've been trying to switch it hard off and back on
[16:26] <Webhostbudd> for some reason vnc isn't connecting anymor
[16:28] <up_the_irons> then the VM may not be running
[16:28] <up_the_irons> or u have a stale vnc session somewhere in the background
[16:28] <Webhostbudd> restarted my machine
[16:31] <Webhostbudd> still nothing
[16:31] <Webhostbudd> this is really weird
[16:35] <up_the_irons> Webhostbudd: what is the host and port?
[16:35] <Webhostbudd> kvr24.arpnetworks.com:6070
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[16:53] <Webhostbudd> up_the_irons: anything?
[16:54] <up_the_irons> Webhostbudd: sorry, was afk
[16:54] <Webhostbudd> oh, alright
[16:54] <up_the_irons> Webhostbudd: the connection hangs, which means there's another connection somewhere
[16:54] <Webhostbudd> well, i would hope rebooting my machine would fix that
[16:54] <up_the_irons> Webhostbudd: you can kill all connections by *hard* rebooting
[16:54] <up_the_irons> the VM must be completely off
[16:54] <Webhostbudd> I've done this numerous times
[16:54] <Webhostbudd> that's fine
[16:55] <Webhostbudd> just did a hard poweroff of the vm
[16:55] <up_the_irons> http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/vps/out-of-band-management
[16:55] <Webhostbudd> i read the whole thing
[16:55] <Webhostbudd> still no dice
[16:57] <up_the_irons> Webhostbudd: pm me your vps uuid
[16:57] <up_the_irons> i will kill it from my end
[16:57] <Webhostbudd> im using the cust console which seems to be killing it, but still no luck when it comes back up
[17:00] <up_the_irons> Webhostbudd: try now, i can connect
[17:00] <Webhostbudd> alright
[17:00] <Webhostbudd> awesome, thanks
[17:01] <Webhostbudd> odd that it didn't work before
[17:01] <up_the_irons> well, this is rare, but looks like libvirt hung (cause unknown).  so your VM was not coming back up b/c the manager died.
[17:01] <Webhostbudd> oh, alright
[17:01] <up_the_irons> i gave it a kick, and a shove, and now it's all good
[17:03] <Webhostbudd> lets hope i don't break it again
[17:03] <Webhostbudd> doing whatever it was that i did
[17:06] <Webhostbudd> now i've got something even more odd, i try to boot from a cd and just get a blank screen
[17:08] <Webhostbudd> this is what i get for not building virtio modules into my kernel
[17:09] <up_the_irons> we always set virtio for linux guests, so if you have linux, be sure to add virtio :)
[17:09] <Webhostbudd> i just forgot that i needed to manually add the virtio modules
[17:09] <Webhostbudd> and i appreciate that is is virtio
[17:09] <Webhostbudd> but for some reason my livecd is giving me a black / grey screen if i hit enter
[17:10] <Webhostbudd> which i find to be odd
[17:10] <Webhostbudd> seeing as it worked 4 hours ago
[17:22] <jlgaddis> man, you're just breaking everything, aren't you?  :P
[17:23] <Webhostbudd> i am
[17:23] <Webhostbudd> i have absolutely no idea how
[17:33] <Webhostbudd> alright
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[17:51] <nestea> lol
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